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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 22:11:19 GMT
hmm i'm not exactly opposed to it. I'd rather that than jon and tyrion suddenly becoming dragon riders. And 3ER said he would fly... I've always thought that Bran was meant to ride a dragon via warging. Mainly because 3ER did say he would fly. I agree with the comments that the mark on Bran by the Night's King might be the trick to neutralize the magic at the Wall that allows the white walkers to pass through. But how would Bran know that? And he might not have much of a choice, if he also has to warn Westeros of the great danger it is facing (basically confirming what Jon has been saying all along).
I do think, or hope, that Bran is the Stark in Winterfell. It would be interesting to have a Stark in charge that also has some other- worldy aspect to him. The Three Eyed Raven told him directly in The Door episode just before the attack happened. In the vision where Bran went alone (unauthorized) he walked amongst the dead and at the end, the Night King grabbed his arm. When he got back the 3ER said "Did he touch you?" and Bran said he wasn't sure... and then 3ER said "He's marked you, he'll be coming for you..." so Bran has to know that mark is now trouble for him and for anyone around him. Whether or not he knows it will neutralize the magic in the wall depends on if he knows there's magic in the wall at all to start with. In the books he does know about that magic because Coldhands tells him about it. Since they have changed the story around, and Benjen is now Coldhands, I am going to assume Benjen tells him about the magic wards in the wall. But all that being said, Bran may still be the one to cross south of the wall and be the 'key' to breaking the magic spell on it and the Night King is following him for that reason. Though now that I think of it, that makes no sense why the Night King would have the undead following him to kill him through the tunnel and out the other side, right? If the Night King planned the whole thing and wants to use Bran as a way to break the magic wards on the wall, he wouldn't have him killed by wights... he'd just follow him. So yeah, now I'm doubting my own thoughts on that theory.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2016 22:13:21 GMT
Still don't like it. Jon is a Targaryen, why shouldn't he ride a dragon? Especially when one of them is named after his father. Tyrion has been obsessed with dragons his entire life. He studied them, dreamed about them, and probably knows more about them than anyone living. Him riding a dragon didn't exactly come out of nowhere. There's even people who support the theory of A+J=T. That I'm not so sure of, but I do think he's one of the 3 heads of the dragon. I really don't understand why people are so against it. Other than him being a dwarf and they think it will look funny. It would just seem funny to me that the dragons would accept them as riders straight away. Although that scene with tyrion in the tombs is pretty telling, they seem to like him. Didn't the targaryens practically grow up with their dragons? (there's a few exceptions) but iirc they develop a bond with them from young and that's how they were able to tame and ride them. I just think tyrion's story is more interesting if he is a lannister by name and birth, not like we'd ever find out anyway :\ But yeh its kind of inevitable that tyrion at least tries to help dany tame them. I was totally against him riding one at first but i'm starting to warm up to it  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 1:21:33 GMT
Still don't like it. Jon is a Targaryen, why shouldn't he ride a dragon? Especially when one of them is named after his father. Tyrion has been obsessed with dragons his entire life. He studied them, dreamed about them, and probably knows more about them than anyone living. Him riding a dragon didn't exactly come out of nowhere. There's even people who support the theory of A+J=T. That I'm not so sure of, but I do think he's one of the 3 heads of the dragon. I really don't understand why people are so against it. Other than him being a dwarf and they think it will look funny. It would just seem funny to me that the dragons would accept them as riders straight away. Although that scene with tyrion in the tombs is pretty telling, they seem to like him. Didn't the targaryens practically grow up with their dragons? (there's a few exceptions) but iirc they develop a bond with them from young and that's how they were able to tame and ride them. I just think tyrion's story is more interesting if he is a lannister by name and birth, not like we'd ever find out anyway :\ But yeh its kind of inevitable that tyrion at least tries to help dany tame them. I was totally against him riding one at first but i'm starting to warm up to it The Targaryens did in fact usually raise their dragons from eggs, but we also saw in TPatQ sometimes dragons just bond instantly with someone too. |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 2, 2016 2:59:43 GMT
I definitely want Bran to warg a dragon, I always thought he would.
Before this season with Bran leaving the cave, I never thought there was a chance he'd come back from the beyond the Wall. I thought he'd always stay there, but now I think he makes it back to Winterfell, hopefully with Meera intact and reuniting with his family. I need to reread AGOT to check out the foreshadowing of the Stark in Winterfell.
I did have a horrifying thought earlier. Bran always warged into Summer. If he's turned into a Wight, could Bran still warg into him? Are Bran and Meera going to see Wight Hodor and Summer eventually?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 3:28:38 GMT
Couldn't you will fly be a reference to Bran becoming the 3ER?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 4:35:14 GMT
Couldn't you will fly be a reference to Bran becoming the 3ER? i think it could be too |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 2, 2016 16:11:24 GMT
Couldn't you will fly be a reference to Bran becoming the 3ER? Can't rule that possibility out. It very well could refer to that. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jun 2, 2016 18:31:16 GMT
I've always thought that Bran was meant to ride a dragon via warging. Mainly because 3ER did say he would fly. I agree with the comments that the mark on Bran by the Night's King might be the trick to neutralize the magic at the Wall that allows the white walkers to pass through. But how would Bran know that? And he might not have much of a choice, if he also has to warn Westeros of the great danger it is facing (basically confirming what Jon has been saying all along).
I do think, or hope, that Bran is the Stark in Winterfell. It would be interesting to have a Stark in charge that also has some other- worldy aspect to him. The Three Eyed Raven told him directly in The Door episode just before the attack happened. In the vision where Bran went alone (unauthorized) he walked amongst the dead and at the end, the Night King grabbed his arm. When he got back the 3ER said "Did he touch you?" and Bran said he wasn't sure... and then 3ER said "He's marked you, he'll be coming for you..." so Bran has to know that mark is now trouble for him and for anyone around him. Whether or not he knows it will neutralize the magic in the wall depends on if he knows there's magic in the wall at all to start with. In the books he does know about that magic because Coldhands tells him about it. Since they have changed the story around, and Benjen is now Coldhands, I am going to assume Benjen tells him about the magic wards in the wall. But all that being said, Bran may still be the one to cross south of the wall and be the 'key' to breaking the magic spell on it and the Night King is following him for that reason. Though now that I think of it, that makes no sense why the Night King would have the undead following him to kill him through the tunnel and out the other side, right? If the Night King planned the whole thing and wants to use Bran as a way to break the magic wards on the wall, he wouldn't have him killed by wights... he'd just follow him. So yeah, now I'm doubting my own thoughts on that theory. yeah, the wights don't seem sentient enough to chase him, but not kill him. i'd think it would be more effective for the ww to to chase bran themselves. in the cave the night king didn't pay bran any mind, he just went straight for the 3er. he may not have realized bran was the next 3er, else why let him get south of the wall more powerful than he was before? tho i guess it's also possible the ww are controlling the wights just to herd bran and the night king means to kill him after the wall goes down. Still don't like it. Jon is a Targaryen, why shouldn't he ride a dragon? Especially when one of them is named after his father. Tyrion has been obsessed with dragons his entire life. He studied them, dreamed about them, and probably knows more about them than anyone living. Him riding a dragon didn't exactly come out of nowhere. There's even people who support the theory of A+J=T. That I'm not so sure of, but I do think he's one of the 3 heads of the dragon. I really don't understand why people are so against it. Other than him being a dwarf and they think it will look funny. It would just seem funny to me that the dragons would accept them as riders straight away. Although that scene with tyrion in the tombs is pretty telling, they seem to like him. Didn't the targaryens practically grow up with their dragons? (there's a few exceptions) but iirc they develop a bond with them from young and that's how they were able to tame and ride them. I just think tyrion's story is more interesting if he is a lannister by name and birth, not like we'd ever find out anyway :\ But yeh its kind of inevitable that tyrion at least tries to help dany tame them. I was totally against him riding one at first but i'm starting to warm up to it i hate a+j=t, so i want tyrion to ride a dragon warged by bran so there's no real reason to spec about why viserion would accept tyrion. it would also be a nice callback to tyrion helping bran ride a horse. I definitely want Bran to warg a dragon, I always thought he would. Before this season with Bran leaving the cave, I never thought there was a chance he'd come back from the beyond the Wall. I thought he'd always stay there, but now I think he makes it back to Winterfell, hopefully with Meera intact and reuniting with his family. I need to reread AGOT to check out the foreshadowing of the Stark in Winterfell. i can dig out the quotes if anyone's interested. Couldn't you will fly be a reference to Bran becoming the 3ER? well, yeah, bloodraven/the show!3er was a cryptic dick, but i'd hope it means some new ability. eta: @witchy & Karl Katze, if you'd like to discuss the one true kitn. |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 25, 2016 12:55:25 GMT
Can you dig out the quotes? I think we loaned out our copy of AGOT.
I do think, show wise, Bran does make it back to Winterfell. He's not named Brandon for no reason, might be after his uncle (whom Robb shared the most traits with probably) but Bran the builder. I think Bran rebuilds the North, whatever it will be after the WW attack.
And he might wind up being the King in the North. He might be the most powerful person on the show in terms of what he can do.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 25, 2016 13:53:32 GMT
In the books, I always assumed Bran would stay north of the Wall, but now that I know Hodor's fate, I wonder about that. I'm rooting for Bran to get back to Winterfell and see his siblings again. (and hopefully they're not having their own version of Captain America: Civil War when he returns) I'm also still holding out for Bran to be a dragon rider warger.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2016 14:06:30 GMT
A lot of people talk about how jon or dany will be the hero in the war with the White walkers. But what part exactly is Bran going to play? Now that he is out of the cave, i have no idea. I always assumed he would affect and oversee characters from the cave, make sure that secrets to defeating the white walkers were uncovered etc. Now that he, meera and benjen are out in the open where will he go? further North or south to Winterfell? i assumed they're heading south bc that's the direction people usually go when running from the white walkers. i really don't want bran's mark to bring the wall down. he doesn't need more blame so soon after hodor's death. I think Bran's mark will bring down the wall, unfortunately. BUT, I also think Bran is one of the few characters who will survive the series. And he will rebuild the Wall, if the White Walkers still exist somewhere in the far north and protection is needed. If they're all defeated, I think he'll play a major role in that. I don't see Bran warging a dragon in any sort of permanent way, as though he is bonded with one of the dragons like a rider. I think he will warg a dragon to save a dragon rider, or to help kill the Night King after a dragon rider is killed. I think it will be a one-time, heat of battle thing. |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 25, 2016 16:56:23 GMT
i assumed they're heading south bc that's the direction people usually go when running from the white walkers. i really I think he will warg a dragon to save a dragon rider, or to help kill the Night King after a dragon rider is killed. I think it will be a one-time, heat of battle thing.I know plenty think Euron could be a dragon rider. I'd love if Bran took control of whichever poor dragon gets him, and throws Euron off of him. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jun 25, 2016 22:51:02 GMT
Can you dig out the quotes? I think we loaned out our copy of AGOT. i have the e-books so i can easily c&p, with the help of asearchoficeandfire to know where to look. (i just didn't wanna do it unsolicited and give anyone flashbacks to the supernerds on the hellforum.) Fwiw, the word "Winterfell" appears 137 times in Bran's and Jon's PoVs, 75 times in Arya's, and 55 times in Sansa's, despite Bran having the least total chapters of all of them. He only has seven chapters altogether post-Clash, so the majority of his page-time is spent in Winterfell. So, y'know,  at anyone who still thinks the wolves coming back to Winterfell will not include Brandon Stark of Winterfell. Back to the dragon-warging question, IA with @witchy that it could only happen as a temporary experience, not like the bond Dany has with Drogon or Bran had with Summer. I can't imagine Jon and Dany on Rhaegal and Drogon, while Viserion just spends the whole time riderless. (Yes, I am assuming Jon's dragon is the one named for his bio-father.) |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 26, 2016 2:06:01 GMT
Thanks for sharing all of those, 7timesdamnedshewolf I've been meaning to reread AGOT an ACOK. That's interesting Jon and Bran have the most. That reminds me why I love Bran's chapters so much in the first place, he reminisces so much about Winterfell and his family. You can really feel the love he has for his family. I hope Bran is the lord of Winterfell in the future. I see Jon as King of the Seven Kingdoms, but Bran definitely deserves to rule his home. He thinks so fondly of it. Sansa always dreamt of leaving, so if she leads somewhere, it will be in another location. Most likely the Vale. |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 26, 2016 12:38:08 GMT
7timesdamnedshewolf, thank you for that. It really does seem like the text is hinting to Bran being the Lord of Winterfell. It also seems like job that Bran is very much suited for. I hope it does come to pass.
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