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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 1:51:14 GMT
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 5, 2016 19:06:32 GMT
Is it wierd that I don't see Arya as noble anymore?
I get that she is, and when she returns to Westeros she will be considered one, but I can't see her becoming Lady of Winterfell and settling down with a husband or anything like that.
Arya's endgame has always seemed very mysterious to me
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Post by Enid on Jun 5, 2016 20:09:12 GMT
Is it wierd that I don't see Arya as noble anymore? I get that she is, and when she returns to Westeros she will be considered one, but I can't see her becoming Lady of Winterfell and settling down with a husband or anything like that. Arya's endgame has always seemed very mysterious to me She is a weird case because, even though she is a noble, she barely has any contact with other nobles even in AGOT. She spends most of the books surrounded by smallfolk, and preteding to be one of them. Her status as noble hasn't changed, is just that she never cared much about it and I don't think she ever will, is one of her defining character traits. I can't see her ever caring much about her looks and what's proper and trying to be delicate, but I do think she will reclaim her identity and that implies going back to the nobility, maybe she will use her position to help the smallfolk and change things so atrocities like the ones Tywin commited in the Riverlands don't happen again. Regarding marriage and kids, she is really young so the idea has never even crossed her mind, she is not a romantic person, but considering her pack mentality and how family-oriented she is, I don't think is something she would hate necessarily, as long as it is with someone that understands her. But I don't think it will happen either in the books or the show. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Jun 5, 2016 20:19:10 GMT
Is it wierd that I don't see Arya as noble anymore? I get that she is, and when she returns to Westeros she will be considered one, but I can't see her becoming Lady of Winterfell and settling down with a husband or anything like that. Arya's endgame has always seemed very mysterious to me She is a weird case because, even though she is a noble, she barely has any contant with other nobles even in AGOT. She spends most of the books surrounded by smallfolk, and preteding to be one of them. Her status as noble hasn't changed, is just that she never cared much about it and I don't think she ever will, is one of her defining character traits. I can't see her ever caring much about her looks and what's proper and trying to be delicate, but I do think she will reclaim her identity and that implies going back to the nobility, maybe she will use her position to help the smallfolk and change things so atrocities like the ones Tywin commited in the Riverlands don't happen again. Regarding marriage and kids, she is really young so the idea has never even crossed her mind, she is not a romantic person, but considering her pack mentality and how family-oriented she is, I don't think is something she would hate necessarily, as long as it is with someone that understands her. But I don't think it will happen either in the books or the show. yeah that why I always found the GendryxArya shipping wierd. She's way too young in the books. I always viewed it more of a big brother/sister relationship.He was her surrogate Jon. At least that was how I saw it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 20:22:57 GMT
Is it wierd that I don't see Arya as noble anymore? I get that she is, and when she returns to Westeros she will be considered one, but I can't see her becoming Lady of Winterfell and settling down with a husband or anything like that. Arya's endgame has always seemed very mysterious to me Nope, I get that. I think that's why she's my favorite character. She doesn't fit into that world, and she was always getting in trouble for being sarcastic and teasing to a very serious sister,  so it was easy for me to identify with her. You also get to see the underbelly of Westeros, the stuff that happens outside castles. And it's often way cooler. The fact that she's a young child makes everything she does at once more dangerous and less so. She could be crushed, tossed aside without a care, but she also flies under the radar. And now that she's had ninja training, she will really be a chameleon. Arya's morality: She has clearly been severely traumatized and has become hardened and quite cold because of it. But she still has a moral code. It's similar to the Hound's but less fucked up, in my humble opinion, because she's less entrenched and hasn't been at it as long. Crucially, she also had a strong, loving, safe start in life. Psychopaths are usually made before the age of 3 by severe trauma and/or neglect mixed with a propensity for it (or so the latest theorizing goes). By the age of 3 or 4, most kids are already able to empathize some, and Arya certainly could and can. However, she has been so mistreated, and has seen such unfairness she has divided the world into good and bad. And the bad people don't even get a chance. As for her story from here out, I always assumed she would be sent to assassinate someone important and would regain her Arya identity when she refused. That's clearly not happening, so I think she will choose someone to assassinate, someone on her list. That will probably take her to Kings Landing and/or the Riverlands, unless that play convinced her she should go kill Tyrion. Her long-term trajectory could go in almost any direction. I don't think she'll ever live like a lady, but if her sister is Queen of the North, she might get to do whatever the hell she wants in the end. She could also end up with a sad ending, but I choose to believe she's one of the ones who will live. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 22:52:12 GMT
One of the main themes of Aryas story is death. She is surrounded by it from the end of GOT (starting with syrio) all throughout her time in the riverlands. She thinks about death often (well others dying) and she aims to be a professional death-giver!
I'm torn on whether arya will survive the series, but it would be ironic since her whole story has been about death and trying to forge her own destiny.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 22:57:16 GMT
One of the main themes of Aryas story is death. She is surrounded by it from the end of GOT (starting with syrio) all throughout her time in the riverlands. She thinks about death often (well others dying) and she aims to be a professional death-giver! I'm torn on whether arya will survive the series, but it would be ironic since her whole story has been about death and trying to forge her own destiny. Another reason I can relate to Arya. And I turned out okay.  I just don't believe she's a lost cause. I think she's been to the other side but she'll come back. Rickon, on the other hand... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 23:06:03 GMT
One of the main themes of Aryas story is death. She is surrounded by it from the end of GOT (starting with syrio) all throughout her time in the riverlands. She thinks about death often (well others dying) and she aims to be a professional death-giver! I'm torn on whether arya will survive the series, but it would be ironic since her whole story has been about death and trying to forge her own destiny. Another reason I can relate to Arya. And I turned out okay. I just don't believe she's a lost cause. I think she's been to the other side but she'll come back. Rickon, on the other hand... it certainly seems its swaying that way. Her recent encounter with lady crane seemed to bring out a human side she hasnt felt in a while. She is slowly coming back to herself, she hasn't been arya stark for a while and now for the first time maybe she actually wants to be. |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 6, 2016 13:01:17 GMT
Is it wierd that I don't see Arya as noble anymore? I get that she is, and when she returns to Westeros she will be considered one, but I can't see her becoming Lady of Winterfell and settling down with a husband or anything like that. Arya's endgame has always seemed very mysterious to me Her endgame has always seemed mysterious to me. One because she is still so young in the books. It's hard to say whether she would be Lady of anything. She (like her surviving siblings) has been through so much. I do think she would always be the Stark to forge her own destiny and might be the one most likely to go home and help rebuild Winterfell but move on once that task is done. Another reason I can relate to Arya. And I turned out okay. I just don't believe she's a lost cause. I think she's been to the other side but she'll come back. Rickon, on the other hand... it certainly seems its swaying that way. Her recent encounter with lady crane seemed to bring out a human side she hasnt felt in a while. She is slowly coming back to herself, she hasn't been arya stark for a while and now for the first time maybe she actually wants to be. And she will set parameters of Arya Stark and no one else will. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Jun 6, 2016 21:51:22 GMT
She is a weird case because, even though she is a noble, she barely has any contant with other nobles even in AGOT. She spends most of the books surrounded by smallfolk, and preteding to be one of them. Her status as noble hasn't changed, is just that she never cared much about it and I don't think she ever will, is one of her defining character traits. I can't see her ever caring much about her looks and what's proper and trying to be delicate, but I do think she will reclaim her identity and that implies going back to the nobility, maybe she will use her position to help the smallfolk and change things so atrocities like the ones Tywin commited in the Riverlands don't happen again. Regarding marriage and kids, she is really young so the idea has never even crossed her mind, she is not a romantic person, but considering her pack mentality and how family-oriented she is, I don't think is something she would hate necessarily, as long as it is with someone that understands her. But I don't think it will happen either in the books or the show. yeah that why I always found the GendryxArya shipping wierd. She's way too young in the books. I always viewed it more of a big brother/sister relationship.He was her surrogate Jon. At least that was how I saw it. well, jon was her original love interest.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2016 21:54:12 GMT
yeah that why I always found the GendryxArya shipping wierd. She's way too young in the books. I always viewed it more of a big brother/sister relationship.He was her surrogate Jon. At least that was how I saw it. well, jon was her original love interest.... Yeah, in this show brother > other.  |
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Post by Enid on Jun 14, 2016 9:02:50 GMT
well, jon was her original love interest.... Yeah, in this show brother > other. I wish that original outline had never been leaked online, now everytime that Jon or Arya think of each other in the books I don't know if is just brotherly love or GRRM giving hints of a possible change in their relationship when they meet again... (but I want to believe is not the last part). In other news, our baby is free to leave the FM and go back home, which logic says is Winterfell. But I wonder if she will reach Winterfell this season or the next one (depraving me of a Jon/Arya reunion that I need and hope against all odds may happen this year while preparing myself for dissapointment because I feel like Arya will go to the Riverlands instead of the North and will reunite with Sandor and TBWB instead of her family which makes no sense because unlike in the books, neither LS nor Gendry are there but this show has a huge boner for the Hound and they loved the Sandor and Arya road show so much they dedicated a whole season to it despite it getting in the way of Arya's development). Maybe she will steal LF's jetpack and reach Winterfell by episode 10, maybe Arya's scenes have happened way sooner than the ones in the North set in Westeros which will allow her to get home sooner than the audience thinks. But I'm thinking no, it won't happen this year. I'd also like to know how other people fell about how the show handled the FM, I already posted a mini-rant about it in the episode 8 discussion thread but the feeling is this: it could and should have been better than what we got. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2016 11:31:31 GMT
Yeah, in this show brother > other. I wish that original outline had never been leaked online, now everytime that Jon or Arya think of each other in the books I don't know if is just brotherly love or GRRM giving hints of a possible change in their relationship when they meet again... (but I want to believe is not the last part). In other news, our baby is free to leave the FM and go back home, which logic says is Winterfell. But I wonder if she will reach Winterfell this season or the next one (depraving me of a Jon/Arya reunion that I need and hope against all odds may happen this year while preparing myself for dissapointment because I feel like Arya will go to the Riverlands instead of the North and will reunite with Sandor and TBWB instead of her family which makes no sense because unlike in the books, neither LS nor Gendry are there but this show has a huge boner for the Hound and they loved the Sandor and Arya road show so much they dedicated a whole season to it despite it getting in the way of Arya's development). Maybe she will steal LF's jetpack and reach Winterfell by episode 10, maybe Arya's scenes have happened way sooner than the ones in the North set in Westeros which will allow her to get home sooner than the audience thinks. But I'm thinking no, it won't happen this year. I'd also like to know how other people fell about how the show handled the FM, I already posted a mini-rant about it in the episode 8 discussion thread but the feeling is this: it could and should have been better than what we got. I agree. I'll think about why. Honestly, I hate critiquing stuff with her in it...too close to my heart!! Arya and Jon will be sweet, the sweetest in the books, but I'm betting on the show, the reunion that blows us away is Sansa and Arya. They've grown so much as people, and the fact that the actors are so close in real life will most likely come over on screen as well. |
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Post by Enid on Jun 14, 2016 12:01:22 GMT
I wish that original outline had never been leaked online, now everytime that Jon or Arya think of each other in the books I don't know if is just brotherly love or GRRM giving hints of a possible change in their relationship when they meet again... (but I want to believe is not the last part). In other news, our baby is free to leave the FM and go back home, which logic says is Winterfell. But I wonder if she will reach Winterfell this season or the next one (depraving me of a Jon/Arya reunion that I need and hope against all odds may happen this year while preparing myself for dissapointment because I feel like Arya will go to the Riverlands instead of the North and will reunite with Sandor and TBWB instead of her family which makes no sense because unlike in the books, neither LS nor Gendry are there but this show has a huge boner for the Hound and they loved the Sandor and Arya road show so much they dedicated a whole season to it despite it getting in the way of Arya's development). Maybe she will steal LF's jetpack and reach Winterfell by episode 10, maybe Arya's scenes have happened way sooner than the ones in the North set in Westeros which will allow her to get home sooner than the audience thinks. But I'm thinking no, it won't happen this year. I'd also like to know how other people fell about how the show handled the FM, I already posted a mini-rant about it in the episode 8 discussion thread but the feeling is this: it could and should have been better than what we got. I agree. I'll think about why. Honestly, I hate critiquing stuff with her in it...too close to my heart!! Arya and Jon will be sweet, the sweetest in the books, but I'm betting on the show, the reunion that blows us away is Sansa and Arya. They've grown so much as people, and the fact that the actors are so close in real life will most likely come over on screen as well. I also hate to have reason to complain about how they handle Arya in the show, but the latest episode has been anti-climatic for me and I needed to express why. I just think that if the writers had cared more about Arya's development than how awesome Sandor is, the Braavos storyline would have been better. If the show gives more focus to the Arya/Sansa reunion than the Jon/Arya one and turn them into the "perfect team of BFFs" so many fans want them to become I'll be upset. Arya and Sansa love each other, but they have deep issues that they need to get through, which is why I've always thought their reunion won't be as nice as warm as the fandom wants it to be. Jon/Arya on the other hand only have nice, warm, brotherly (and non-incestuous) feelings towards each other, which is why I hope the show gives it the emotional impact it deserves. But they cut the fArya storyline and Jon breaking his vows to rescue "Arya", so who knows. |
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 14, 2016 12:10:16 GMT
Yeah, in this show brother > other. I wish that original outline had never been leaked online, now everytime that Jon or Arya think of each other in the books I don't know if is just brotherly love or GRRM giving hints of a possible change in their relationship when they meet again... (but I want to believe is not the last part). In other news, our baby is free to leave the FM and go back home, which logic says is Winterfell. But I wonder if she will reach Winterfell this season or the next one (depraving me of a Jon/Arya reunion that I need and hope against all odds may happen this year while preparing myself for dissapointment because I feel like Arya will go to the Riverlands instead of the North and will reunite with Sandor and TBWB instead of her family which makes no sense because unlike in the books, neither LS nor Gendry are there but this show has a huge boner for the Hound and they loved the Sandor and Arya road show so much they dedicated a whole season to it despite it getting in the way of Arya's development). Maybe she will steal LF's jetpack and reach Winterfell by episode 10, maybe Arya's scenes have happened way sooner than the ones in the North set in Westeros which will allow her to get home sooner than the audience thinks. But I'm thinking no, it won't happen this year. I'd also like to know how other people fell about how the show handled the FM, I already posted a mini-rant about it in the episode 8 discussion thread but the feeling is this: it could and should have been better than what we got. I don't see Arya getting the character backpack and reaching Winterfell by episode 10. The Riverlands might be possible by then. I see her getting North in the final season, especially now that she has proclaimed she is Arya and she's going home. As much as I like Rory Mc Cann's performance as the Hound (I could have cared less about the Hound in the books, at least I do care in the show) the show does have a huge boner for the character. He and Maisie work so well together but in no way should Arya's development have ever taken a back seat to his, which it did in season 4 (and that turned out to be my least favorite Arya season). I really thought the show would use the FM to further her development, which it did if you think she has reclaimed her identity and realized she cannot kill people she perceives as innocent, not even at the demand of a "god". However, I thought we'd see some insight into how to the FM play into the overall narrative through her and I don't feel like we got that. It would have been interesting if the FM target was someone in Westeros or Dany. I always thought in the books that she'd be the Stark child to run into LSH and be the one to give her the gift of mercy, something she was unable to do for Sandor but she will be able to do it for her mother knowing her mother would not want to continue to live that way. |
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Post by Enid on Jun 14, 2016 12:23:32 GMT
I wish that original outline had never been leaked online, now everytime that Jon or Arya think of each other in the books I don't know if is just brotherly love or GRRM giving hints of a possible change in their relationship when they meet again... (but I want to believe is not the last part). In other news, our baby is free to leave the FM and go back home, which logic says is Winterfell. But I wonder if she will reach Winterfell this season or the next one (depraving me of a Jon/Arya reunion that I need and hope against all odds may happen this year while preparing myself for dissapointment because I feel like Arya will go to the Riverlands instead of the North and will reunite with Sandor and TBWB instead of her family which makes no sense because unlike in the books, neither LS nor Gendry are there but this show has a huge boner for the Hound and they loved the Sandor and Arya road show so much they dedicated a whole season to it despite it getting in the way of Arya's development). Maybe she will steal LF's jetpack and reach Winterfell by episode 10, maybe Arya's scenes have happened way sooner than the ones in the North set in Westeros which will allow her to get home sooner than the audience thinks. But I'm thinking no, it won't happen this year. I'd also like to know how other people fell about how the show handled the FM, I already posted a mini-rant about it in the episode 8 discussion thread but the feeling is this: it could and should have been better than what we got. I don't see Arya getting the character backpack and reaching Winterfell by episode 10. The Riverlands might be possible by then. I see her getting North in the final season, especially now that she has proclaimed she is Arya and she's going home. As much as I like Rory Mc Cann's performance as the Hound (I could have cared less about the Hound in the books, at least I do care in the show) the show does have a huge boner for the character. He and Maisie work so well together but in no way should Arya's development have ever taken a back seat to his, which it did in season 4 (and that turned out to be my least favorite Arya season). I really thought the show would use the FM to further her development, which it did if you think she has reclaimed her identity and realized she cannot kill people she perceives as innocent, not even at the demand of a "god". However, I thought we'd see some insight into how to the FM play into the overall narrative through her and I don't feel like we got that. It would have been interesting if the FM target was someone in Westeros or Dany. I always thought in the books that she'd be the Stark child to run into LSH and be the one to give her the gift of mercy, something she was unable to do for Sandor but she will be able to do it for her mother knowing her mother would not want to continue to live that way. Agreed. In the books it makes sense for Arya to go back to the Riverlands because LS is there looking for her, Gendry and the BWB are there, and Nymeria and her giant pack are there. She has unfinished bussiness to attend to before going North. But what reason is there for Arya to go to the Riverlands instead of the North in the show? Beric is alive, which means no LS, Gendry is still rowing somewhere, and there has been zero mention of Nymeria and her pack. The only reason that would make her go to the Riverlands is vengeance, and Arya has always cared more about going home than about getting revenge, but I have the feeling she is going to cross Walder Frey off her list and join with the BWB and Sandor before going North. Which sucks, because there has only been ONE Arya/Jon scene in the whole show, and I need more. I want her to reunite with her family, damn it! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 3:17:58 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 13:49:31 GMT
My thoughts on how Arya's story ended...underwhelming for me. I felt like there were better ways to write it and execute it. They made arya out to be a massive failure, I wished they would have allowed her a successful mission. Because it didn't make sense for her to get so many chances when she didn't show much promise in season 5 at all. The threat of her losing herself and truly becoming no one was there for about 2 episodes. Then we quickly saw Arya again at the play. I also wish the ending weren't so ambiguous. Why did jaquen let her leave? We didn't learn enough about the FM and I feel like Arya didn't learn enough either. I mean she learnt heaps but other than fight training we hardly got to see her use these skills.
Does anyone think she'll go back to the theatre troupe? I think she may convince them to go to Westeros by overhearing some news. Involving the Riverlands because thats naturally where I think she will land first.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2016 14:47:50 GMT
I'm not sure how I missed update notification updates for this thread but I did and haven't participated since 6x08 aired.  I've discussed it in more detail elsewhere so I don't want to sound repetitive. I'll just agree and empathize with all of you that the way they went about Arya's Braavos ending was really weird and seemed disjointed between 6x07 and 6x08. I was almost certain the theories were right and it wasn't really her on that bridge ... it just seemed that uncharacteristic of her. To find out it was just her and worse, making a very big mistake, was disappointing. Most of all because she should have recognized that face, it's the same one she touched in season 5 when she came back to the hall of faces from killing Trant! I thought they did that on purpose as a clue it wasn't Arya. But anyways, all that disappointment aside, I will say Arya's scenes were still stellar in acting and all the stunt fighting and city chase sequences were filmed really well so it more than makes up for the failure in the story line for me. As for where she goes next? I think it's possible she hooks up with the theater troupe again as you suggested @igrewupinkl but with Lady Crane killed, that may not work out so well since she was Arya's connection to the group really. The others didn't seem to interact with her at all. They are now missing two of their actresses though so maybe they'll take her in and she'll convince them to go to Westeros. I really wish they hadn't killed Lady Crane. I don't think that was even necessary for the waif's part of the debacle, we already hated her enough as it was. |
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so it was easy for me to identify with her. You also get to see the underbelly of Westeros, the stuff that happens outside castles. And it's often way cooler. The fact that she's a young child makes everything she does at once more dangerous and less so. She could be crushed, tossed aside without a care, but she also flies under the radar. And now that she's had ninja training, she will really be a chameleon.
