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Post by Enid on May 31, 2016 19:41:30 GMT
Thread dedicated to Arya Stark, the non-psycothic and very human daughter of Ned Stark and Catelyn Stark, member of the very exclusive "nobles who give a fuck about the lowborn" league, long-distance skinchanger who is currently not losing her identity to the FM.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 31, 2016 20:07:27 GMT
So, I shall kick things off. On the show (S6 spoilers from as yet unaired episodes) Arya is going to kill the Waif, and The Not-so-Kindly Man has consented to Arya's murder because she has failed as a Faceless Woman . In the books, the Kindly Man offers her a few times a way out of the Faceless Men, which she refuses. However, she now knows a lot more of their secrets. Given that, and the likelihood that she will eventually leave them to return to Westeros, do people think the Faceless Men will order her death? And would they continue trying to kill her if they failed? I just don't see a happy ending if she tries to break from them; like the Mafia, kind of. Once you are in, you don't just leave. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 31, 2016 20:21:58 GMT
So, I shall kick things off. On the show (S6 spoilers from as yet unaired episodes) Arya is going to kill the Waif, and The Not-so-Kindly Man has consented to Arya's murder because she has failed as a Faceless Woman . In the books, the Kindly Man offers her a few times a way out of the Faceless Men, which she refuses. However, she now knows a lot more of their secrets. Given that, and the likelihood that she will eventually leave them to return to Westeros, do people think the Faceless Men will order her death? And would they continue trying to kill her if they failed? I just don't see a happy ending if she tries to break from them; like the Mafia, kind of. Once you are in, you don't just leave. the waif and arya have a very different dynamic on the show so i could see arya having a hit on her being a show invention. tho idk what's gonna happen with her after killing raff or how she'll exit the fm in winds. her departure from braavos could happen pretty differently tho. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:23:24 GMT
So, I shall kick things off. On the show (S6 spoilers from as yet unaired episodes) Arya is going to kill the Waif, and The Not-so-Kindly Man has consented to Arya's murder because she has failed as a Faceless Woman . In the books, the Kindly Man offers her a few times a way out of the Faceless Men, which she refuses. However, she now knows a lot more of their secrets. Given that, and the likelihood that she will eventually leave them to return to Westeros, do people think the Faceless Men will order her death? And would they continue trying to kill her if they failed? I just don't see a happy ending if she tries to break from them; like the Mafia, kind of. Once you are in, you don't just leave. I have often wondered about this too. If Arya has a confrontation with The Waif and wins (kills the waif) and then escapes Braavos and heads back to Westeros, will Jaqen send other Faceless Men after her in various other disguises/faces and she'll spend the rest of her life on the run? The only thing that gives me hope the answer is no, is Jaqen saying that one way or another, a new face will be added to the hall of faces. Now we take that to mean if Arya doesn't kill her target (Lady Crane) then it will be her face instead of Lady Crane's that gets added. But if Arya kills the Waif, maybe it's HER face that would pay the price? Is The Waif's face really her own? We saw the waif take off her face and become Jaqen last season so the whole thing remains layers and layers of obscurity. It's confusing! |
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Post by Enid on May 31, 2016 20:40:36 GMT
For all the shit showWaif gives Arya, she is not behaving like a FM either. Her hate towards Arya is obvious, she only wants to kill her.
Anyway, I'm on the camp that says Arya kills the Waif and gives her face to Jaqen. Tom has said in interviews that Jaqen has a soft spot for Arya even if she doesn't see it, and at the pace the show is going, I don't think they will complicate this part of her story or keep it open.
The books are more complicated, as usual. Arya was free to go before, but now she knows part of their history and how they work, is unlikely they will just let her leave. But I also don't see Arya being chased by the FM until the end of the books, or her dying suddenly at the hands of a FM after the fight with the Others is done.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:45:38 GMT
Arya's future is the one I think has the biggest question mark hanging over it. What is her endgame? I honestly don't see how someone who has essentially grown up committing the brutal acts of violence like Arya has (justified or no) can have an at all normal life. I also disagree that she's not a psychopath. Being a human character does not absolve her of that. She has taken satisfaction/enjoyment out of brutally killing people she didn't have to kill (i.e. not in self-defence or because they were an immediate threat to anyone) because she herself deemed they deserved it, feeling no remorse. Is that not textbook psychopath? I'm not a psychologist, so someone with greater knowledge there, please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no idea what her endgame will be. Something positive, I hope, because I want all my wolf pups to be happy (  ) but I don't see it happening for Arya. She has already fundamentally rejected her place in Westerosi society as a woman. Will she find her own place, like Brienne, carving out what piece of happiness she can? Who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:48:58 GMT
Arya's future is the one I think has the biggest question mark hanging over it. What is her endgame? I honestly don't see how someone who has essentially grown up committing the brutal acts of violence like Arya has (justified or no) can have an at all normal life. I also disagree that she's not a psychopath. Being a human character does not absolve her of that. She has taken satisfaction/enjoyment out of brutally killing people she didn't have to kill (i.e. not in self-defence or because they were an immediate threat to anyone) because she herself deemed they deserved it, feeling no remorse. Is that not textbook psychopath? I'm not a psychologist, so someone with greater knowledge there, please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no idea what her endgame will be. Something positive, I hope, because I want all my wolf pups to be happy ( ) but I don't see it happening for Arya. She has already fundamentally rejected her place in Westerosi society as a woman. Will she find her own place, like Brienne, carving out what piece of happiness she can? Who knows. Psychologically speaking the main trait of a psychopath is his or her lack of empathy and I don't think that's true for Arya. Very much to the contrary I think. It's her empathy and strong sense of justice that has led to her doing some of the things she's done. She did, however, enjoy killing people, but always people who harmed her or others. That is more a result of trauma than psychopathy IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:54:10 GMT
@fireandblood - I suppose one could try to attach real world psychology to many of the characters in the story but wouldn't most of them start to come across as psychopaths by the literal definition then? Jon's beheaded and hung men he "deemed deserved it" as you put it. It's a slippery slope I think should be avoided in fantasy story analysis. When we think of the word "psychopath" we think of the horrible things Ramsay has done so you see how that puts a pretty ugly light on Arya when you compare with the same overused term?
*edit: And I agree with @kairos - Arya has a lot of empathy, almost too much. She's clearly conflicted about a lot of things. She has little remorse for killing those involved with hurting/killing her own family though but I don't think that makes her a psychopath.
But anyways, I was hoping we could discuss where the character is going once she leaves the Faceless Men as that's the most recent turn of events we have since the "Mercy" chapter of Winds of Winter and portrayed on the show differently.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 20:57:06 GMT
@fireandblood - I suppose one could try to attach real world psychology to many of the characters in the story but wouldn't most of them start to come across as psychopaths by the literal definition then? Jon's beheaded and hung men he "deemed deserved it" as you put it. It's a slipper slope I think should be avoided in fantasy story analysis. When we think of the word "psychopath" we think of the horrible things Ramsay has done so you see how that puts a pretty ugly light on Arya when you compare with the same overused term? Actually, yeah, both Ramsay and Joffrey would be text book psychopaths. Ramsay even more so. The other characters? Not so much. But I generally agree that it is difficult to apply real-life psychology to fantasy characters, even if I'm sure that GRRM has thought about and even included elements of it. He knows his shit. But yeah, Arya can very much read and understand other people's emotions. That's not very typical of a psychopath. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 21:02:40 GMT
Arya's future is the one I think has the biggest question mark hanging over it. What is her endgame? I honestly don't see how someone who has essentially grown up committing the brutal acts of violence like Arya has (justified or no) can have an at all normal life. I also disagree that she's not a psychopath. Being a human character does not absolve her of that. She has taken satisfaction/enjoyment out of brutally killing people she didn't have to kill (i.e. not in self-defence or because they were an immediate threat to anyone) because she herself deemed they deserved it, feeling no remorse. Is that not textbook psychopath? I'm not a psychologist, so someone with greater knowledge there, please correct me if I'm wrong. I have no idea what her endgame will be. Something positive, I hope, because I want all my wolf pups to be happy ( ) but I don't see it happening for Arya. She has already fundamentally rejected her place in Westerosi society as a woman. Will she find her own place, like Brienne, carving out what piece of happiness she can? Who knows. Psychologically speaking the main trait of a psychopath is his or her lack of empathy and I don't think that's true for Arya. Very much to the contrary I think. It's her empathy and strong sense of justice that has led to her doing some of the things she's done. She did, however, enjoy killing people, but always people who harmed her or others. That is more a result of trauma than psychopathy IMO. Arya has had no empathy for any of the people she has killed, though. Yes, she has a great deal of empathy for those that are screwed over, but that goes completely out of the window when they do something to wrong her or are aligned with the other side. Is she a full-blown psychopath? Obviously not. But does she have a great deal of psychopathic tendencies? I would certainly think so. @fireandblood - I suppose one could try to attach real world psychology to many of the characters in the story but wouldn't most of them start to come across as psychopaths by the literal definition then? Jon's beheaded and hung men he "deemed deserved it" as you put it. It's a slippery slope I think should be avoided in fantasy story analysis. When we think of the word "psychopath" we think of the horrible things Ramsay has done so you see how that puts a pretty ugly light on Arya when you compare with the same overused term? I think the case you mention with Jon is different, because he is actually in a position of authority where he has the right to make that call. He also only does it because he feels he has no other choice and clearly doesn't want to do it or take any enjoyment out of it. They are two very different scenarios. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 21:06:46 GMT
For all the shit showWaif gives Arya, she is not behaving like a FM either. Her hate towards Arya is obvious, she only wants to kill her. Anyway, I'm on the camp that says Arya kills the Waif and gives her face to Jaqen. Tom has said in interviews that Jaqen has a soft spot for Arya even if she doesn't see it, and at the pace the show is going, I don't think they will complicate this part of her story or keep it open. The books are more complicated, as usual. Arya was free to go before, but now she knows part of their history and how they work, is unlikely they will just let her leave. But I also don't see Arya being chased by the FM until the end of the books, or her dying suddenly at the hands of a FM after the fight with the Others is done. This would be an interesting twist and as I said, at least his remark that one way or another a face would be added to the hall would be true. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 21:13:37 GMT
Psychologically speaking the main trait of a psychopath is his or her lack of empathy and I don't think that's true for Arya. Very much to the contrary I think. It's her empathy and strong sense of justice that has led to her doing some of the things she's done. She did, however, enjoy killing people, but always people who harmed her or others. That is more a result of trauma than psychopathy IMO. Arya has had no empathy for any of the people she has killed, though. Yes, she has a great deal of empathy for those that are screwed over, but that goes completely out of the window when they do something to wrong her or are aligned with the other side. Is she a full-blown psychopath? Obviously not. But does she have a great deal of psychopathic tendencies? I would certainly think so. @fireandblood - I suppose one could try to attach real world psychology to many of the characters in the story but wouldn't most of them start to come across as psychopaths by the literal definition then? Jon's beheaded and hung men he "deemed deserved it" as you put it. It's a slippery slope I think should be avoided in fantasy story analysis. When we think of the word "psychopath" we think of the horrible things Ramsay has done so you see how that puts a pretty ugly light on Arya when you compare with the same overused term? I think the case you mention with Jon is different, because he is actually in a position of authority where he has the right to make that call. He also only does it because he feels he has no other choice and clearly doesn't want to do it or take any enjoyment out of it. They are two very different scenarios. Yeah, but psychologically speaking the term psychopathy is about the ability of having empathy or not. A psychopath is completely unable to have empathy and just does not understand other people's emotions at all. That's not the case for Arya. She just thinks that the people who harmed her or her family and friends are not worthy of her empathy, so she doesn't care about their lives anymore. It's much more a matter of ethics than of psychology. Arya is obviously traumatized and has seen a lot of death, which changed her. But if she were a psychopath, she would be completely unable to read other people, which proven by the newest episode she is actually very good at. It's more a matter of a overdeveloped sense of justice meeting completely fucked-up childhood meeting fascination with death. The fact that she enjoys killing people, who in her eyes deserve it, can be interpreted as worrying, but people who enjoy killing other people as an act of revenge are not necessarily considered psychopaths in modern psychology. It's more a matter of ethics and what Arya has experienced than of psychopathy or personality disorders. |
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Post by Enid on May 31, 2016 21:14:39 GMT
Psychologically speaking the main trait of a psychopath is his or her lack of empathy and I don't think that's true for Arya. Very much to the contrary I think. It's her empathy and strong sense of justice that has led to her doing some of the things she's done. She did, however, enjoy killing people, but always people who harmed her or others. That is more a result of trauma than psychopathy IMO. Arya has had no empathy for any of the people she has killed, though. Yes, she has a great deal of empathy for those that are screwed over, but that goes completely out of the window when they do something to wrong her or are aligned with the other side. Is she a full-blown psychopath? Obviously not. But does she have a great deal of psychopathic tendencies? I would certainly think so. @fireandblood - I suppose one could try to attach real world psychology to many of the characters in the story but wouldn't most of them start to come across as psychopaths by the literal definition then? Jon's beheaded and hung men he "deemed deserved it" as you put it. It's a slippery slope I think should be avoided in fantasy story analysis. When we think of the word "psychopath" we think of the horrible things Ramsay has done so you see how that puts a pretty ugly light on Arya when you compare with the same overused term? I think the case you mention with Jon is different, because he is actually in a position of authority where he has the right to make that call. He also only does it because he feels he has no other choice and clearly doesn't want to do it or take any enjoyment out of it. They are two very different scenarios. Why would she feel any empathy for the rapist and murderers she has killed? people who not only had zero regrets for their crimes, but actually boasted about it? What's more, does Jaime feel bad about killing? Does Selmy, or Jon? Why is it that only Arya is judged for this? She did feel remorse about killing the Harrenhall guard, she does feel remorse about killing the squire in the inn. She doesn't feel remorse when she kills shits like the Tickler or Raff because she has seen first hand they are war criminals who hurt the innocent and enjoy it. That does not make her a psycopath and it doesn't mean she has psycopathic tendencies. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 21:31:35 GMT
Arya has had no empathy for any of the people she has killed, though. Yes, she has a great deal of empathy for those that are screwed over, but that goes completely out of the window when they do something to wrong her or are aligned with the other side. Is she a full-blown psychopath? Obviously not. But does she have a great deal of psychopathic tendencies? I would certainly think so. I think the case you mention with Jon is different, because he is actually in a position of authority where he has the right to make that call. He also only does it because he feels he has no other choice and clearly doesn't want to do it or take any enjoyment out of it. They are two very different scenarios. Why would she feel any empathy for the rapist and murderers she has killed? people who not only had zero regrets for their crimes, but actually boasted about it? What's more, does Jaime feel bad about killing? Does Selmy, or Jon? Why is it that only Arya is judged for this? She did feel remorse about killing the Harrenhall guard, she does feel remorse about killing the squire in the inn. She doesn't feel remorse when she kills shits like the Tickler or Raff because she has seen first hand they are war criminals who hurt the innocent and enjoy it. That does not make her a psycopath and it doesn't mean she has psycopathic tendencies. Jaime gets plenty of shit. Selmy or Jon don't because they are all about being honourable and don't kill outwith settings where it is their duty to do so and neither of them ever derive satisfaction it. Plus, Arya's story is all about death, where she is the killer, so of course her kills will fall under the greatest level of scrutiny and she will be judged more harshly for it. Anyway, I'm not saying that she should feel empathy towards the people she kills, just that she doesn't (it's been a while since I've read the books so I can't comment on her response to the kills you mentioned, plus this is the show forum so I'm going to go by that alone), and she doesn't because she herself has deemed them not worthy of life. She also takes satisfaction out of these kills, and if that is not psychopathy, it is definitely something. |
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Post by Enid on May 31, 2016 21:52:28 GMT
Why would she feel any empathy for the rapist and murderers she has killed? people who not only had zero regrets for their crimes, but actually boasted about it? What's more, does Jaime feel bad about killing? Does Selmy, or Jon? Why is it that only Arya is judged for this? She did feel remorse about killing the Harrenhall guard, she does feel remorse about killing the squire in the inn. She doesn't feel remorse when she kills shits like the Tickler or Raff because she has seen first hand they are war criminals who hurt the innocent and enjoy it. That does not make her a psycopath and it doesn't mean she has psycopathic tendencies. Jaime gets plenty of shit. Selmy or Jon don't because they are all about being honourable and don't kill outwith settings where it is their duty to do so and neither of them ever derive satisfaction it. Plus, Arya's story is all about death, where she is the killer, so of course her kills will fall under the greatest level of scrutiny and she will be judged more harshly for it. Anyway, I'm not saying that she should feel empathy towards the people she kills, just that she doesn't (it's been a while since I've read the books so I can't comment on her response to the kills you mentioned, plus this is the show forum so I'm going to go by that alone), and she doesn't because she herself has deemed them not worthy of life. She also takes satisfaction out of these kills, and if that is not psychopathy, it is definitely something. So you don't think she should feel empathy towards the criminals she kills, but her not feeling empathy for them makes her a psycopath? I'd also know where does the notion that Arya actually enjoys killing comes from. I'd be the first to admit she has become quite desensitized when it comes to killing, but that is quite different from enjoying it. And Arya's story is about more than death. Is about being a misfit in a society that doesn't accept women who don't fit into a certain mold, is about havig low self-esteem, is about the suffering of the smallfolk during the war, how the game of thrones affects those who have no power, feeling small and weak, dealing with the trauma she sees, learning to survive in the middle of a warzone, the loss of family, and since she arrived to THOBAW, retaining her identity while the FM try to wipe it out. Is about her love for her family, about her loyalty and her compassion and how she tries to find a pack everywhere she goes. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 22:04:43 GMT
Jaime gets plenty of shit. Selmy or Jon don't because they are all about being honourable and don't kill outwith settings where it is their duty to do so and neither of them ever derive satisfaction it. Plus, Arya's story is all about death, where she is the killer, so of course her kills will fall under the greatest level of scrutiny and she will be judged more harshly for it. Anyway, I'm not saying that she should feel empathy towards the people she kills, just that she doesn't (it's been a while since I've read the books so I can't comment on her response to the kills you mentioned, plus this is the show forum so I'm going to go by that alone), and she doesn't because she herself has deemed them not worthy of life. She also takes satisfaction out of these kills, and if that is not psychopathy, it is definitely something. So you don't think she should feel empathy towards the criminals she kills, but her not feeling empathy for them makes her a psycopath? I'd also know where does the notion that Arya actually enjoys killing comes from. I'd be the first to admit she has become quite desensitized when it comes to killing, but that is quite different from enjoying it. And Arya's story is about more than death. Is about being a misfit in a society that doesn't accept women who don't fit into a certain mold, is about havig low self-esteem, is about the suffering of the smallfolk during the war, how the game of thrones affects those who have no power, feeling small and weak, dealing with the trauma she sees, learning to survive in the middle of a warzone, the loss of family, and since she arrived to THOBAW, retaining her identity while the FM try to wipe it out. Is about her love for her family, about her loyalty and her compassion and how she tries to find a pack everywhere she goes. I completely agree with all you are saying, but Arya on the show definitely enjoys killing. At least that's how Maisie plays it, for example here (at 2:40): Her facial expression is almost like she is getting a kick out of it. But IMO that only enhances her character. It makes her more interesting. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 22:13:43 GMT
But maybe let's not get stuck on the psychopath/not a psychopath question on the first page of this thread.  I feel like that's always the first question people get stuck on in every debate about Arya. Let's talk about her future and endgame instead. I think on the show there is a good chance that she actually kills the Waif and that Jaqen just let's her go as @envie has explained? But then what? I have a hard time seeing her battling it out with the White Walkers. That's just not what her story seems to be about for me. I guess she could kill a few people on her list, but I always thought she was destined to meet her mother again (and to possibly mercy-kill her). IMO that would be a tragic but beautiful plot twist. But it's likely that that'll be a book-only thing, because there's probably no Stoneheart on the show. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 22:16:59 GMT
Jaime gets plenty of shit. Selmy or Jon don't because they are all about being honourable and don't kill outwith settings where it is their duty to do so and neither of them ever derive satisfaction it. Plus, Arya's story is all about death, where she is the killer, so of course her kills will fall under the greatest level of scrutiny and she will be judged more harshly for it. Anyway, I'm not saying that she should feel empathy towards the people she kills, just that she doesn't (it's been a while since I've read the books so I can't comment on her response to the kills you mentioned, plus this is the show forum so I'm going to go by that alone), and she doesn't because she herself has deemed them not worthy of life. She also takes satisfaction out of these kills, and if that is not psychopathy, it is definitely something. So you don't think she should feel empathy towards the criminals she kills, but her not feeling empathy for them makes her a psycopath? I'd also know where does the notion that Arya actually enjoys killing comes from. I'd be the first to admit she has become quite desensitized when it comes to killing, but that is quite different from enjoying it. And Arya's story is about more than death. Is about being a misfit in a society that doesn't accept women who don't fit into a certain mold, is about havig low self-esteem, is about the suffering of the smallfolk during the war, how the game of thrones affects those who have no power, feeling small and weak, dealing with the trauma she sees, learning to survive in the middle of a warzone, the loss of family, and since she arrived to THOBAW, retaining her identity while the FM try to wipe it out. Is about her love for her family, about her loyalty and her compassion and how she tries to find a pack everywhere she goes. well, if you ask me why she should feel empathy towards rapists and murderers of course I'm going to say no. Why do they deserve that? They don't, but empathy is the natural human response imo. I'm an emotionless robot irl but I could never kill someone, no matter how justified I felt it was or how legal it happened to be without feeling SOMETHING. So yes, I think if you actively seek out these kills and take it upon yourself to carry them out then you're borderline psychopath or whatever the technically correct word is. And yes, I'm aware that Arya's story is about more than death. I didn't skip her chapters LOL. But death is at its core, which was my point. She's currently training to be an assassin ffs |
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Post by atimeforwolves on May 31, 2016 22:26:52 GMT
So you don't think she should feel empathy towards the criminals she kills, but her not feeling empathy for them makes her a psycopath? I'd also know where does the notion that Arya actually enjoys killing comes from. I'd be the first to admit she has become quite desensitized when it comes to killing, but that is quite different from enjoying it. And Arya's story is about more than death. Is about being a misfit in a society that doesn't accept women who don't fit into a certain mold, is about havig low self-esteem, is about the suffering of the smallfolk during the war, how the game of thrones affects those who have no power, feeling small and weak, dealing with the trauma she sees, learning to survive in the middle of a warzone, the loss of family, and since she arrived to THOBAW, retaining her identity while the FM try to wipe it out. Is about her love for her family, about her loyalty and her compassion and how she tries to find a pack everywhere she goes. I really like how you summarize Arya's story. She's one of my favourite characters, perhaps the most favorite and all comparison and reduction her character to little psycopath always hurt me  I always wish her happy ending and something similar to normal life, f.ex. to become feminine version of knight advising and defending Bran as a Lord of Winterfell. Eh, wishful thinking... But in this video (probably you know it) Alt Shift X outlined the most likely version of her future. It's beautiful, deeply sad but also in some way bringing relief: |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 31, 2016 23:07:40 GMT
Arya has had no empathy for any of the people she has killed, though. Yes, she has a great deal of empathy for those that are screwed over, but that goes completely out of the window when they do something to wrong her or are aligned with the other side. Is she a full-blown psychopath? Obviously not. But does she have a great deal of psychopathic tendencies? I would certainly think so. I think the case you mention with Jon is different, because he is actually in a position of authority where he has the right to make that call. He also only does it because he feels he has no other choice and clearly doesn't want to do it or take any enjoyment out of it. They are two very different scenarios. Why would she feel any empathy for the rapist and murderers she has killed? people who not only had zero regrets for their crimes, but actually boasted about it? What's more, does Jaime feel bad about killing? Does Selmy, or Jon? Why is it that only Arya is judged for this? She did feel remorse about killing the Harrenhall guard, she does feel remorse about killing the squire in the inn. She doesn't feel remorse when she kills shits like the Tickler or Raff because she has seen first hand they are war criminals who hurt the innocent and enjoy it. That does not make her a psycopath and it doesn't mean she has psycopathic tendencies. Her most objectionable killing, IMO, is Dareon. She really has no reason the kill him. I know people argue that she was exercising her authority as a Stark to execute a deserter, but that's not what she did IMO. She took him down an alley and murdered him, which is very different from the execution of NW deserters we see executed elsewhere (e.g Gared, Slynt). |
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) but I don't see it happening for Arya. She has already fundamentally rejected her place in Westerosi society as a woman. Will she find her own place, like Brienne, carving out what piece of happiness she can? Who knows. 
I feel like that's always the first question people get stuck on in every debate about Arya. Let's talk about her future and endgame instead. I think on the show there is a good chance that she actually kills the Waif and that Jaqen just let's her go as @envie has explained? But then what? I have a hard time seeing her battling it out with the White Walkers. 
I always wish her happy ending and something similar to normal life, f.ex. to become feminine version of knight advising and defending Bran as a Lord of Winterfell. Eh, wishful thinking...