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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 10:26:14 GMT
I don't think High Sparrow cares whether Marge is faking it or not. His plan was not to get the Tyrells to convert or anything, anyway. I believe his plan has been from the beginning to convert Tommen and unite the Crown and the Faith.
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Post by Belle on May 31, 2016 15:59:42 GMT
I don't think High Sparrow cares whether Marge is faking it or not. His plan was not to get the Tyrells to convert or anything, anyway. I believe his plan has been from the beginning to convert Tommen and unite the Crown and the Faith. well thats what cersei tried to do in season 5. but he destroyed cersei. so i dont think it was just him uniting the crown and the faith. but to make the union with more pliable and malleable royalty/nobles than cersei. and he got that from tommen. margaery on the other hand isn't someone that the high sparrow will be able to easily manipulate but she also doesn't have the same ruthlessness as cersei so i kind of think she's fucked. because she's now essentially let the high sparrow be pope king and cersei is going to hate her even more now. underestimating cersei will be both the high sparrow and margaery's undoing. |
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Post by Steve Stark on May 31, 2016 16:46:09 GMT
I don't think High Sparrow cares whether Marge is faking it or not. His plan was not to get the Tyrells to convert or anything, anyway. I believe his plan has been from the beginning to convert Tommen and unite the Crown and the Faith. well thats what cersei tried to do in season 5. but he destroyed cersei. so i dont think it was just him uniting the crown and the faith. but to make the union with more pliable and malleable royalty/nobles than cersei. and he got that from tommen. margaery on the other hand isn't someone that the high sparrow will be able to easily manipulate but she also doesn't have the same ruthlessness as cersei so i kind of think she's fucked. because she's now essentially let the high sparrow be pope king and cersei is going to hate her even more now. underestimating cersei will be both the high sparrow and margaery's undoing.
I agree. And only a few episodes ago she was telling Loras not to give in to them, if I remember correctly. So it would be kind of lame for her to "give in" to them and become a Faith of the Seven zealot after having said that. She was just doing what she could to get out of there (hopefully). Tommen, however, seems rather weak and s easily manipulated (by Cersei, Marg, the HS, and hopefully by Daenery's dragons). 
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Post by Belle on May 31, 2016 16:56:05 GMT
well thats what cersei tried to do in season 5. but he destroyed cersei. so i dont think it was just him uniting the crown and the faith. but to make the union with more pliable and malleable royalty/nobles than cersei. and he got that from tommen. margaery on the other hand isn't someone that the high sparrow will be able to easily manipulate but she also doesn't have the same ruthlessness as cersei so i kind of think she's fucked. because she's now essentially let the high sparrow be pope king and cersei is going to hate her even more now. underestimating cersei will be both the high sparrow and margaery's undoing.
I agree. And only a few episodes ago she was telling Loras not to give in to them, if I remember correctly. So it would be kind of lame for her to "give in" to them and become a Faith of the Seven zealot after having said that. She was just doing what she could to get out of there (hopefully). Tommen, however, seems rather weak and s easily manipulated (by Cersei, Marg, the HS, and hopefully by Daenery's dragons).
the writing for tommen is just beyond irritating so at this point i wouldn't even mind seeing him burned by drogon. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 31, 2016 17:19:31 GMT
I agree. And only a few episodes ago she was telling Loras not to give in to them, if I remember correctly. So it would be kind of lame for her to "give in" to them and become a Faith of the Seven zealot after having said that. She was just doing what she could to get out of there (hopefully). Tommen, however, seems rather weak and s easily manipulated (by Cersei, Marg, the HS, and hopefully by Daenery's dragons).
the writing for tommen is just beyond irritating so at this point i wouldn't even mind seeing him burned by drogon. Well to be fair, he's basically just a kid who is easily manipulated by everyone he speaks to. I feel like he's been looking for people to give him advice and "wisdom" since Tywin died. |
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Post by Belle on May 31, 2016 17:33:47 GMT
the writing for tommen is just beyond irritating so at this point i wouldn't even mind seeing him burned by drogon. Well to be fair, he's basically just a kid who is easily manipulated by everyone he speaks to. I feel like he's been looking for people to give him advice and "wisdom" since Tywin died. betraying his family the way he did in this episode just made me want him dead. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 17:37:14 GMT
the writing for tommen is just beyond irritating so at this point i wouldn't even mind seeing him burned by drogon. Well to be fair, he's basically just a kid who is easily manipulated by everyone he speaks to. I feel like he's been looking for people to give him advice and "wisdom" since Tywin died. And High Sparrow did that. I really don't get the hate for HS either. |
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Post by Belle on May 31, 2016 17:38:58 GMT
Well to be fair, he's basically just a kid who is easily manipulated by everyone he speaks to. I feel like he's been looking for people to give him advice and "wisdom" since Tywin died. And High Sparrow did that. I really don't get the hate for HS either. he is a religious psychopath who gets off on torturing people without even a trial. he's also a complete and utter hypocrite and a disgusting misogynist. and he is not that interesting and neither is he humanized. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 31, 2016 17:45:22 GMT
Well to be fair, he's basically just a kid who is easily manipulated by everyone he speaks to. I feel like he's been looking for people to give him advice and "wisdom" since Tywin died. betraying his family the way he did in this episode just made me want him dead. Well, if he hadn't then hundreds of people would have died. Probably Margaery and Loras, and much of that Tyrell "army" would have been decimated by the thousands of commoners behind. Obviously betraying his family is a bad thing, but the last thing he wanted was bloodshed. And High Sparrow did that. I really don't get the hate for HS either. he is a religious psychopath who gets off on torturing people without even a trial. he's also a complete and utter hypocrite and a disgusting misogynist. and he is not that interesting and neither is he humanized. I don't see how he is a misogynist. If you're referring to the "atonement" then thats not exclusive to women, as his predecessor made a walk of shame as well. |
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Post by breakfest on May 31, 2016 17:48:22 GMT
the writing for tommen is just beyond irritating so at this point i wouldn't even mind seeing him burned by drogon. Well to be fair, he's basically just a kid who is easily manipulated by everyone he speaks to. I feel like he's been looking for people to give him advice and "wisdom" since Tywin died. This is something I feel people are forgetting. What was the first thing Tommen was told when he became King? Tywin tells him to listen to the advice of his elders. Since Tywin's death all these elders have done is run rings around him, using him as a pawn, manipulating him emotionally and even sexually. He's a normal kid probably no older than 15 who is just not cut out to be a King, especially in the brutal world of the show. I certainly have sympathy for him. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 17:50:25 GMT
And High Sparrow did that. I really don't get the hate for HS either. he is a religious psychopath who gets off on torturing people without even a trial. he's also a complete and utter hypocrite and a disgusting misogynist. and he is not that interesting and neither is he humanized. Alright. In my opinion he is truly one of the most "good" characters in this series yet. |
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Post by Belle on May 31, 2016 17:51:07 GMT
betraying his family the way he did in this episode just made me want him dead. Well, if he hadn't then hundreds of people would have died. Probably Margaery and Loras, and much of that Tyrell "army" would have been decimated by the thousands of commoners behind. Obviously betraying his family is a bad thing, but the last thing he wanted was bloodshed. he is a religious psychopath who gets off on torturing people without even a trial. he's also a complete and utter hypocrite and a disgusting misogynist. and he is not that interesting and neither is he humanized. I don't see how he is a misogynist. If you're referring to the "atonement" then thats not exclusive to women, as his predecessor made a walk of shame as well. i was thinking more of the books when thinking of the walk of shame admittedly. as the walk of shame is only a punishment for women in the books. but either way he is still a misogynist, his speech to tommen about cersei in 603 was filled with sexist implications in regards to women's sexuality and motherhood |
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Post by breakfest on May 31, 2016 17:53:13 GMT
I mean yeah he's unquestionably a misogynist but unfortunately that applies to most of the men of Westeros.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 31, 2016 17:54:31 GMT
Well, if he hadn't then hundreds of people would have died. Probably Margaery and Loras, and much of that Tyrell "army" would have been decimated by the thousands of commoners behind. Obviously betraying his family is a bad thing, but the last thing he wanted was bloodshed. I don't see how he is a misogynist. If you're referring to the "atonement" then thats not exclusive to women, as his predecessor made a walk of shame as well. i was thinking more of the books when thinking of the walk of shame admittedly. as the walk of shame is only a punishment for women in the books. but either way he is still a misogynist, his speech to tommen about cersei in 603 was filled with sexist implications in regards to women's sexuality and motherhood Okay, I've got to admit. Even though I do often defend him, I sometimes zone out when he gives his speeches  So I don't quite remember what that one was about |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 18:01:00 GMT
Well, if he hadn't then hundreds of people would have died. Probably Margaery and Loras, and much of that Tyrell "army" would have been decimated by the thousands of commoners behind. Obviously betraying his family is a bad thing, but the last thing he wanted was bloodshed. I don't see how he is a misogynist. If you're referring to the "atonement" then thats not exclusive to women, as his predecessor made a walk of shame as well. i was thinking more of the books when thinking of the walk of shame admittedly. as the walk of shame is only a punishment for women in the books. but either way he is still a misogynist, his speech to tommen about cersei in 603 was filled with sexist implications in regards to women's sexuality and motherhoodAnd where exactly does he say anything about like that? |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on May 31, 2016 18:02:38 GMT
Edit: I need to learn to scroll down before asking stupid shit.
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Post by Belle on May 31, 2016 18:05:17 GMT
i was thinking more of the books when thinking of the walk of shame admittedly. as the walk of shame is only a punishment for women in the books. but either way he is still a misogynist, his speech to tommen about cersei in 603 was filled with sexist implications in regards to women's sexuality and motherhoodAnd where exactly does he say anything about like that? tommen confronts the high sparrow about how fucked up and unfair cersei's walk of shame is. and cersei's walk of shame was because she slept around high sparrow retaliates by saying cersei did the walk of shame to get back to tommen and because of her love for him. tells tommen that the only "good" in cersei is her love for tommen. its basically the tired madonna/whore way of thinking. you dont have to agree with me but thats the way i see it |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 18:09:44 GMT
And where exactly does he say anything about like that? tommen confronts the high sparrow about how fucked up and unfair cersei's walk of shame is. and cersei's walk of shame was because she slept around high sparrow retaliates by saying cersei did the walk of shame to get back to tommen and because of her love for him. tells tommen that the only "good" in cersei is her love for tommen. its basically the tired madonna/whore way of thinking. you dont have to agree with me but thats the way i see it Tbh, I don't really even get what you're trying to argue here. Is there really anything else that's good in Cersei? I like her a lot, but her only redeeming quality IMO is her love for children, though it could be argued that she only sees them as extensions of herself. Cersei did WoS to get back to Tommen/away from the cells. There's no denying that. She didn't have to do it, that was one way of atonemenent. |
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 18:13:16 GMT
The HS a morally good character? What?  He shits on freedom in all its forms. He is the archetypical fundamentalist religious leader who accepts a book at face value and thinks he can impose his beliefs on everyone else, because only he is privy to the truth. He is a misanthrope because he loathes the human condition and all human desires, but in reality it's just self-loathing, because he, himself, is just human too after all. The only consequent thing for him to do would be to die and join his gods, but he is too afraid of that as well. Instead he chooses to manipulate everyone else into accepting his belief system by mentally breaking them with religious brainwashing. He never does the dirty work himself mind you. He has other people working for him, but he gladly accepts their brutality and humiliating methods. It's the classic good cop, bad cop routine. But he is behind all of it. The High Sparrow is actually one of the most vile characters on this show IMO. But yeah, all of that makes him a fantastic and super interesting character. And Pryce is doing a brilliant job.  |
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Post by Admin on May 31, 2016 18:14:43 GMT
Now that Jaime is off to character development, Cersei can torch the place for all I care
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He shits on freedom in all its forms. He is the archetypical fundamentalist religious leader who accepts a book at face value and thinks he can impose his beliefs on everyone else, because only he is privy to the truth. He is a misanthrope because he loathes the human condition and all human desires, but in reality it's just self-loathing, because he, himself, is just human too after all. The only consequent thing for him to do would be to die and join his gods, but he is too afraid of that as well. Instead he chooses to manipulate everyone else into accepting his belief system by mentally breaking them with religious brainwashing. He never does the dirty work himself mind you. He has other people working for him, but he gladly accepts their brutality and humiliating methods. It's the classic good cop, bad cop routine. But he is behind all of it. The High Sparrow is actually one of the most vile characters on this show IMO. 
