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Post by mandzipop on May 20, 2016 22:19:27 GMT
Excited for Sansa's scene with LF and Kingsmoot! So hype! On the side note, seems that LF's transportation jetpack has a new upgrade. Not necessarily as although that conversation took place in episode 4, she might have not even gotten close to the wall before he found out. That scene would have been better placed in episode 2. Sansa left Winterfell potentially about a week or 2 before Jon died. A raven could have told LF in about 2-3 days. Get him straight on a ship up to Eastwatch, which would take 2-3 days. From Eastwatch to Moletown would make his arrival probably not much later than Sansa's. I don't think he'll have the full army with him. That would be unrealistic. So, time wise, it is accurate for Sansa and LF to meet in episode 5 considering when Sansa left Winterfell. Sansa left Winterfell only a couple of hours after Mel left Stannis. Mel arrived in season 5. The show messed up when they put the LF scene in the Vale in episode 4 instead of episode 2, which would have felt more organic. This is my travel guesses. It is not set in stone. |
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Post by Singer of Death on May 20, 2016 22:26:01 GMT
Excited for Sansa's scene with LF and Kingsmoot! So hype! On the side note, seems that LF's transportation jetpack has a new upgrade. Not necessarily as although that conversation took place in episode 4, she might have not even gotten close to the wall before he found out. That scene would have been better placed in episode 2. Sansa left Winterfell potentially about a week or 2 before Jon died. A raven could have told LF in about 2-3 days. Get him straight on a ship up to Eastwatch, which would take 2-3 days. From Eastwatch to Moletown would make his arrival probably not much later than Sansa's. I don't think he'll have the full army with him. That would be unrealistic. So, time wise, it is accurate for Sansa and LF to meet in episode 5 considering when Sansa left Winterfell. Sansa left Winterfell only a couple of hours after Mel left Stannis. Mel arrived in season 5. The show messed up when they put the LF scene in the Vale in episode 4 instead of episode 2, which would have felt more organic. This is my travel guesses. It is not set in stone. Either the horse ride from Vale to CB is more shorter than we imagine (maybe take around 2 hours to get there? Or that that scene actually take place after Sansa escape and before her arrival at CB. You know, similar to how GRMM's doesn't constructed his POV chapters in chronological timeline. |
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Post by mandzipop on May 20, 2016 22:29:56 GMT
Not necessarily as although that conversation took place in episode 4, she might have not even gotten close to the wall before he found out. That scene would have been better placed in episode 2. Sansa left Winterfell potentially about a week or 2 before Jon died. A raven could have told LF in about 2-3 days. Get him straight on a ship up to Eastwatch, which would take 2-3 days. From Eastwatch to Moletown would make his arrival probably not much later than Sansa's. I don't think he'll have the full army with him. That would be unrealistic. So, time wise, it is accurate for Sansa and LF to meet in episode 5 considering when Sansa left Winterfell. Sansa left Winterfell only a couple of hours after Mel left Stannis. Mel arrived in season 5. The show messed up when they put the LF scene in the Vale in episode 4 instead of episode 2, which would have felt more organic. This is my travel guesses. It is not set in stone. Either the horse ride from Vale to CB is more shorter than we imagine (maybe take around 2 hours to get there? Or that that scene actually take place after Sansa escape and before her arrival at CB. You know, similar to how GRMM's doesn't constructed his POV chapters in chronological timeline. Why go by horse when sailing is much quicker. Sailing from Runestone to Eastwatch would only be about 2-3 days if the ship doesn't dock alogn the way. It is the ride from Eastwatch to Mole's Town which would be the lengthy part. |
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Post by Singer of Death on May 20, 2016 22:31:47 GMT
Either the horse ride from Vale to CB is more shorter than we imagine (maybe take around 2 hours to get there? Or that that scene actually take place after Sansa escape and before her arrival at CB. You know, similar to how GRMM's doesn't constructed his POV chapters in chronological timeline. Why go by horse when sailing is much quicker. Sailing from Runestone to Eastwatch would only be about 2-3 days if the ship doesn't dock alogn the way. It is the ride from Eastwatch to Mole's Town which would be the lengthy part. LF needs to bring Vale army up in the north. |
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Post by mandzipop on May 20, 2016 22:40:40 GMT
Why go by horse when sailing is much quicker. Sailing from Runestone to Eastwatch would only be about 2-3 days if the ship doesn't dock alogn the way. It is the ride from Eastwatch to Mole's Town which would be the lengthy part. LF needs to bring Vale army up in the north. I'd be surprised if he brought the Vale army in episode 5. If the Vale are to get involved, would it be a wise idea to make it obvious to Ramsey by making them go all the way to Mole's Town, then to go back south to Winterfell? Are they going to camp outside for the episodes before the battle? Are they going to go all the way back to the Vale, only to go back north again? I don't know whether he takes the Vale army north in episode 5. We've got no evidence to suggest he does or doesn't yet. |
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Post by King Tommen on May 21, 2016 0:21:34 GMT
The travel times issue is still tiresome and often doesn't take into account that different storylines move at different pacing (as they always have on the show and in the books) and the time elapsed between episodes is variable and depends on how much they feel like jumping ahead in time (which is true of pretty much every TV show in existence outside of 24).
The show rarely states explicitly how much time has elapsed between episodes (outside of the times when it's clear we're picking up exactly at the moment we left off). And if they aren't saying, then you can choose to believe a week or two has gone by if you like. Whatever makes you feel better and we can stop having "jetpack" conversations after 5 years of this being a thing.
Also, yeah, LF isn't bringing the Vale army with him in the next episode, it's just him and maybe a couple guards which means he can travel pretty quickly if he felt like it.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 21, 2016 3:05:09 GMT
Why go by horse when sailing is much quicker. Sailing from Runestone to Eastwatch would only be about 2-3 days if the ship doesn't dock alogn the way. It is the ride from Eastwatch to Mole's Town which would be the lengthy part. LF needs to bring Vale army up in the north. Well, Snowbowl isn't happening in ep 5, so not really. The KotV still have 3-4 eps to travel separately from LF. |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on May 21, 2016 9:35:07 GMT
This is a non-issue imo. I guess people are going to be pissed when Yara sails from Pyke to Volantis in the span of about 2 episodes  |
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2016 9:38:25 GMT
This is a non-issue imo. I guess people are going to be pissed when Yara sails from Pyke to Volantis in the span of about 2 episodes Same thing with the Starks building an army from scratch and leading it into SNOWBOWL in two episodes  |
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2016 9:41:36 GMT
This is a non-issue imo. I guess people are going to be pissed when Yara sails from Pyke to Volantis in the span of about 2 episodes Which is funny because GrrM came up with a device to explain unrealistic sailing travel-times for the books that the show hasn't utilized. Which was sacrifices bringing about favourable winds. IIRC Stannis utilized it once in ASOS off-page and then Victarion did in AFFC or ADWD or both. And that it's strongly implied that this is Euron's modus operandi generally... I doubt that would stop people's travel-time critiques of the show...but it's funny that GrrM went to that length instead of just saying "fuck it" like the show has to nearly-identical effect. But as King Tommen said either above or in another thread, really it's a  issue. |
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Post by Steve Stark on May 21, 2016 9:44:50 GMT
This is a non-issue imo. I guess people are going to be pissed when Yara sails from Pyke to Volantis in the span of about 2 episodes Same thing with the Starks building an army from scratch and leading it into SNOWBOWL in two episodes
Are they really going to do it that early? I figured they'd do some sneaky type episode like that one crap one a while back where Bran and Hodor snuck around in Craster's Keep. Rescue Rickon if they can. Then maybe tear apart the Boltons with the Umbers from within. Then by the end they'll attack and take Winterfell with full force by ep 9 or 10.
Two episodes to amass an army in the north would be pretty ridiculous, but of course time is constrained for 10 hours of TV. Either way, I just hope it's done well. This season so far has been pretty strong and well done. I loved the last episode, even if parts were far reaching. Never thought I'd say this, but I'm actually excited about something with Sansa in it. Her and Jon are going to wreck the North and take it back. Can't wait to watch Ramsay die. Great actor though...that bastard.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on May 22, 2016 0:38:42 GMT
This is a non-issue imo. I guess people are going to be pissed when Yara sails from Pyke to Volantis in the span of about 2 episodes Which is funny because GrrM came up with a device to explain unrealistic sailing travel-times for the books that the show hasn't utilized. Which was sacrifices bringing about favourable winds. IIRC Stannis utilized it once in ASOS off-page and then Victarion did in AFFC or ADWD or both. And that it's strongly implied that this is Euron's modus operandi generally... I doubt that would stop people's travel-time critiques of the show...but it's funny that GrrM went to that length instead of just saying "fuck it" like the show has to nearly-identical effect. But as King Tommen said either above or in another thread, really it's a issue. People are sometimes irrational with the critics about the unrealistic time-travels. It's a 10 hours seasons, you can't expend 4 or 5 episodes moving one character from one location to another. In fact, one of the worst part of the books, specially in the last two, are the endless travelogues where nothing of importance to the plot happens. What do people want? 3 or 4 episodes with Littlefinger traveling and talking in his tent with Robin and Yohn Royce? That would be amazing television, right? |
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Post by Dragon in the North on May 22, 2016 4:12:58 GMT
Which is funny because GrrM came up with a device to explain unrealistic sailing travel-times for the books that the show hasn't utilized. Which was sacrifices bringing about favourable winds. IIRC Stannis utilized it once in ASOS off-page and then Victarion did in AFFC or ADWD or both. And that it's strongly implied that this is Euron's modus operandi generally... I doubt that would stop people's travel-time critiques of the show...but it's funny that GrrM went to that length instead of just saying "fuck it" like the show has to nearly-identical effect. But as King Tommen said either above or in another thread, really it's a issue. People are sometimes irrational with the critics about the unrealistic time-travels. It's a 10 hours seasons, you can't expend 4 or 5 episodes moving one character from one location to another. In fact, one of the worst part of the books, specially in the last two, are the endless travelogues where nothing of importance to the plot happens. What do people want? 3 or 4 episodes with Littlefinger traveling and talking in his tent with Robin and Yohn Royce? That would be amazing television, right? Also, travel times have been obscure ever since the early seasons. The Lannister twins were able to travel from King's Landing to Winterfell in about fifteen minutes in the first episode. Catelyn was able to travel from Winterfell to King's Landing in one episode, Jon and Tyrion traveled from Winterfell to the Wall in one episode, Theon was able to travel to Pyke in one episode, etc. Either people have just realized it now or, after 5 and half seasons, they're still complaining about it. |
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Post by Hound Dog on May 22, 2016 4:45:52 GMT
I feel silly because I've never paid attention to any of the travel times of any of the characters.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 13:45:51 GMT
I feel silly because I've never paid attention to any of the travel times of any of the characters. It's not silly. It's actually the smartest thing to do and most of us here need to stop paying attention to it too.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2016 14:01:55 GMT
Excited for Sansa's scene with LF and Kingsmoot! So hype! On the side note, seems that LF's transportation jetpack has a new upgrade. Not necessarily as although that conversation took place in episode 4, she might have not even gotten close to the wall before he found out. That scene would have been better placed in episode 2. Sansa left Winterfell potentially about a week or 2 before Jon died. A raven could have told LF in about 2-3 days. Get him straight on a ship up to Eastwatch, which would take 2-3 days. From Eastwatch to Moletown would make his arrival probably not much later than Sansa's. I don't think he'll have the full army with him. That would be unrealistic. So, time wise, it is accurate for Sansa and LF to meet in episode 5 considering when Sansa left Winterfell. Sansa left Winterfell only a couple of hours after Mel left Stannis. Mel arrived in season 5. The show messed up when they put the LF scene in the Vale in episode 4 instead of episode 2, which would have felt more organic. This is my travel guesses. It is not set in stone. That was my take initially as well. But I also actually understand why they delayed the scene: There is a certain amount of dramatic tension that needs to be built up around troop numbers and whether Jon would even fight at all, etc. So the show chose to delay LF's scene because that way they could play out the dynamics of Umber joining Ramsay, the Wildlings outnumbered by Ramsay's troops even without Umber, and Sansa and Jon discussing where to find allies. It wouldn't have worked very well if Sansa was discussiong the poor numbers with Jon after we already knew the Vale was coming to help. Even if Sansa didn't know it would remove the sense of urgency for finding some Northern allies for the audience. |
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