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Post by Admin on May 2, 2016 19:48:49 GMT
I don't remember anything in the books mentioning Hodor's past. Clearly he must have seen something that frightened him so much he is the way he is now. Or maybe it was some sort of magic or injury? What do you guys think?
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Post by Basil on May 2, 2016 19:57:03 GMT
I've read this theory a while back that Hodor is actually a Greenseer who as a young boy dreamt of the Great Other. It terrified him so much, it drove him insane, so he's not actually saying Hodor, but "Other".
I'm not sure about that theory, but I guess there must be more to it, why else would they have bothered to show him talk?
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Post by Shaena on May 2, 2016 20:23:06 GMT
I've read this theory a while back that Hodor is actually a Greenseer who as a young boy dreamt of the Great Other. It terrified him so much, it drove him insane, so he's not actually saying Hodor, but "Other". I'm not sure about that theory, but I guess there must be more to it, why else would they have bothered to show him talk? Hodur (also called Hodr, Hod, and Hoder) is the blind Norse god of Winter and Darkness. He is extremely obscure, because our only knowledge of him comes from one episode in Norse mythology, which is known as "The Death of Balder". In fact, Hodur was one of the many sons of Odin and the twin brother of Balder. hma.wikia.com/wiki/Hodur_%28Norse_God%29Har! I don't know, but I really like the theory that he was scared by something in the crypts. I remember that either in AGoT or ACoK there was a passage where Bran wanted to go to the crypts, but Hodor refused to obey him (although he had to enter them at a later point). Other than that, I've once read one not seriously meant theory that Hodor is the real Aegon, whose head had been smashed by the door when his saviours had slammed it at Gregor Clegane. The injury to his head negatively effected his growth and intellectual development, and "Hodor" is in fact the truncation of "Hold the door!" (OMG, the 5th episode is called The Door, isn't it? LOL)
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Post by kingeomer on May 2, 2016 21:55:56 GMT
I read on another website that they think Hodor is a victim of PTSD: he went to Kings Landing with Rickard or Brandon and saw what happened and has not been right since.
Given we've had a complete lack of Hodor backstory in the books and the show has given us more last night than GRRM has...this theory has some potential. Except I would think that Hodor would have been killed. But then again, what happened to the people who travelled with Rickard and then Brandon. Did they meet the same fate as Ned's entourage?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 2, 2016 23:31:38 GMT
I read on another website that they think Hodor is a victim of PTSD: he went to Kings Landing with Rickard or Brandon and saw what happened and has not been right since. Given we've had a complete lack of Hodor backstory in the books and the show has given us more last night than GRRM has...this theory has some potential. Except I would think that Hodor would have been killed. But then again, what happened to the people who travelled with Rickard and then Brandon. Did they meet the same fate as Ned's entourage? Brandon's squire was imprisoned iirc. He was a Glover. I don't remember what happened to the others, I imagine they died though. I'm looking forward to finding out more on this. So many possibilities. It could be related to what happens at Winterfell during the Rebellion. Maybe something that explains why Benjen joined the NW? I did get the impression Bloodraven already knew the answer to Ryan's question though. Maybe Bloodraven tried to influence things and damaged Hodor so he would be left behind during the Wot5Ks to give Bran a means of travelling North? /crackpot. Sorry for cracking pots, been reading a series with a prescient character who does this kind of thing so very much on my mind
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 1:21:43 GMT
I really can't come up with anything that makes real good theory material for this one and never have been able to despite reading a lot of crackpot theories on it.
Based only on what we know from the show (because the book gives absolutely no clues at all) it might have had something to do with young Ned, Benjen and Lyanna since they chose that specific time period and scene to show Hodor speaking normally as a boy. That tells me it must have happened not long after that scene or why else choose that particular time period? It wasn't a particularly eventful moment - it just showed all of them together, and happy.
IF however it has to do with Benjen's taking the black, then it probably wasn't that far back since obviously he was just a little boy at that point.
I honestly have no clue what else it could be about other than something down in the crypts scared him that badly as some have speculated.
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Post by GreenChili on May 3, 2016 21:00:37 GMT
My first thought was that Walder / Willis becoming Hodor will be the result of him and Benjen going to train together secretly, although they have explicitly been told not to do so. There could be a terrible accident, leaving W. severely injured / handicapped and thus becoming the Hodor we know.
Also was thinking that maybe feelings of guilt from this event could have led Benjen to join the Nights Watch (the reason for which GRRM refused to tell us), but as that was many years later it does not seem too plausible.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 22:36:15 GMT
I agree, i think it has something to do with Benjen Maybe during the war it was only Hodor and Benjen, they may have been playing and had an accident Hodor's syndrome is actually a real brain disease that can occur through injury to a particular area. Or so from what i remember.. I don't know, but it could have something to do with Lyanna as well. Maybe he was in Wuv
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 22:43:20 GMT
Great topic. After the latest episode, I'm thinking that whatever happened is not just an interesting fact that would round out Hodor's character but something central to the plot. In fact, I think it has to be some kind of major aha moment. There really isn't any other reason to focus on it in a flashback. If all they wanted was to show Lyanna as a young girl or that Jon was like Ned, there wouldn't have been the focus on what happened to Hodor, specifically.
While several of the theories you guys bring up are interesting, I don't see how any of them could lead to a big aha moment. Unless there is more to Benjen than we know. Like, whereever Benjen is and whatever he is doing has major significance.
I also think whatever happened to Hodor definitely damaged his brain. If he was just suffering mental or emotional angish, wouldn't Bran have learned all kinds of stuff while inside his head? He didn't.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2016 23:40:20 GMT
Yeh its odd how GRRM described Bran inside Hodor's head. Like he was "hiding in another corner of his mind" iirc
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 1:42:06 GMT
Yeh its odd how GRRM described Bran inside Hodor's head. Like he was "hiding in another corner of his mind" iirc Hrm, I'd forgotten the exact description. That could suggest some sort of mental and not physical ailment, I guess.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 4, 2016 1:47:31 GMT
I think that's just to show Hodor finds Bran skinchanging him traumatic. Iirc Jaime describes "going away inside" or something when Aerys was doing his batshit stuff
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2016 1:51:53 GMT
Yeh its odd how GRRM described Bran inside Hodor's head. Like he was "hiding in another corner of his mind" iirc Hrm, I'd forgotten the exact description. That could suggest some sort of mental and not physical ailment, I guess. Hmm i think it might be a combination of both. This is more intriguing than the circumstances of jon's resurrection
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 4, 2016 5:51:18 GMT
I read on another website that they think Hodor is a victim of PTSD: he went to Kings Landing with Rickard or Brandon and saw what happened and has not been right since. Given we've had a complete lack of Hodor backstory in the books and the show has given us more last night than GRRM has...this theory has some potential. Except I would think that Hodor would have been killed. But then again, what happened to the people who travelled with Rickard and then Brandon. Did they meet the same fate as Ned's entourage?
You mean like servants and soldiers Lord Rickard brought? Well, as bad as Cersei/Joffrey could be I doubt they were breaking new ground when Ned's people were massacred.
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