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Post by archiechvyalthan on Apr 27, 2016 22:00:27 GMT
As much as I looove the Brienne-Sansa oath scene this episode, I gotta say for me personally the way it is resolved cheapens Brienne's season 5 arc a bit.
Brienne got to do the 2 things she wanted to do: kill Stannis and save Sansa, without any losses or consequences. Not a very effective "dilemma" in dramatic terms. I guess there could be a slight "moral" loss when she saw that Stannis did not resemble the monster she expected, but still.
The individual scenes in each episodes are great, though, so it's hard to complain. But I feel like Brienne hasn't had a real oathbreaking moment yet. It really should happen this season.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 23:28:08 GMT
As much as I looove the Brienne-Sansa oath scene this episode, I gotta say for me personally the way it is resolved cheapens Brienne's season 5 arc a bit. Brienne got to do the 2 things she wanted to do: kill Stannis and save Sansa, without any losses or consequences. Not a very effective "dilemma" in dramatic terms. I guess there could be a slight "moral" loss when she saw that Stannis did not resemble the monster she expected, but still. The individual scenes in each episodes are great, though, so it's hard to complain. But I feel like Brienne hasn't had a real oathbreaking moment yet. It really should happen this season. Well depending on how they play out the Riverlands stuff which we know we're getting in some capacity this season just based on the trailers (not going to list any spoilers) I'd have to say it looks like Brienne's story still has a long way to go. She has had a rough journey thus far, failing as many times as she has starting way back with Renly so I'm personally glad she's finally getting something good alongside Sansa who has also suffered enough. But I do agree she's had no real 'oathbreaker' moment other than failing by circumstances to get Sansa and Arya the first time around. She did try.
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Post by mau on Apr 28, 2016 0:23:57 GMT
I don't think that was imagined as dilemma in the show at all. That was just fans interpretation. She never said she has to choose one oath over another.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Apr 28, 2016 0:36:19 GMT
I don't think that was imagined as dilemma in the show at all. That was just fans interpretation. She never said she has to choose one oath over another. But it was clear that she abandoned her watch for personal reasons. Or, at the very least, that her oath to Renly conflicted with her oath to Cat in that precise moment in time. She had to choose and she chose to go after Stannis, leaving Sansa to fend for herself (which she did).
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 0:40:28 GMT
I think the consequence of her actions was Sansa's life being at risk in the first place. If she had stayed at her watch Sansa and Theon would not have had to make their jump and run through the cold, go through the stream or face that hunting party. It was resolved or redeemed imo by her then saving them and offering her protection again. Which I guess some people might feel is cheap but I think what would be more maddening would be another near-miss scenario and another wild goose chase.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 0:53:52 GMT
I think the consequence of her actions was Sansa's life being at risk in the first place. If she had stayed at her watch Sansa and Theon would not have had to make their jump and run through the cold, go through the stream or face that hunting party. It was resolved or redeemed imo by her then saving them and offering her protection again. Which I guess some people might feel is cheap but I think what would be more maddening would be another near-miss scenario and another wild goose chase. I definitely think the audience has had enough of Brienne trekking across Westeros chasing after Sansa and Arya and staring at Winterfell so they really had to do something with her after putting her on the back burner for so long. Due to switching around the storyline (Riverlands delayed) both she and Jaime needed something to do and stalled a bit.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Apr 28, 2016 1:37:14 GMT
I think the consequence of her actions was Sansa's life being at risk in the first place. If she had stayed at her watch Sansa and Theon would not have had to make their jump and run through the cold, go through the stream or face that hunting party. It was resolved or redeemed imo by her then saving them and offering her protection again. Which I guess some people might feel is cheap but I think what would be more maddening would be another near-miss scenario and another wild goose chase. I definitely think the audience has had enough of Brienne trekking across Westeros chasing after Sansa and Arya and staring at Winterfell so they really had to do something with her after putting her on the back burner for so long. Due to switching around the storyline (Riverlands delayed) both she and Jaime needed something to do and stalled a bit. Yeah I guess it all boils down to the storyline being stalled. I have no problem with Brienne saving Sansa at all. There's just a slight awkwardness in retrospect, in a "I'm gonna go kill Stannis nevermind be back in 2 minutes" sort of way
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2016 4:33:25 GMT
Unless Brienne runs into LSH who somehow knows Brienne abandoned her post and gets pissed off this is another example of sloppy writing. Brienne gets to do both things she wanted to. Sansa was in danger for like 5 minutes, if Sansa died or something there would be consequences here there aren't any. I loved the scene and Sansa, Stannis and Brienne s5 stoylines were disasters so I'm not surprised by this development At least the scene was well done.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Apr 28, 2016 4:47:36 GMT
I think the consequence of her actions was Sansa's life being at risk in the first place. If she had stayed at her watch Sansa and Theon would not have had to make their jump and run through the cold, go through the stream or face that hunting party. It was resolved or redeemed imo by her then saving them and offering her protection again. Which I guess some people might feel is cheap but I think what would be more maddening would be another near-miss scenario and another wild goose chase. yeah, brienne's s5 scenes are just a wash imo. would have been 1000x more annoying to have just continue on her travels without meeting sansa again. sansa's death would be a consequence, sansa surviving while brienne just misses meeting her would just be stupid.
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Post by janicia on Apr 29, 2016 21:00:23 GMT
I assumed that abandoning her post would mean that Brienne lost her chance to find Sansa, and thus I was surprised when Brienne came to the rescue. I assumed that somebody would rescue Sansa, but I thought it would be random Northern loyalists, not Brienne. So that was an exciting moment to watch. And Brienne's victories are so badly outnumbered by her defeats that I was glad she got to find Sansa.
Also, death by Brienne wasn't a terrible end for Stannis. He died to a respectable warrior for a just reason, in a clean blow. Better than being picked off by Ramsay's men or somehow surviving and escaping to linger on in misery and irrelevance. In retrospect, I think Brienne killing Stannis was more about giving Stannis a proper end than it was about influencing Brienne's future.
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Post by Admin on Apr 29, 2016 21:36:29 GMT
The point here is that the atrocious writing of s5 is so evident here - Brienne abandons her post but still saves Sansa. Oh well high five D&D we got rid of Stannis! I don't mind Brienne killing here but really the whole candle stoyline and rushed end to Stannis arc is offensive to the audience
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