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Post by kingeomer on Apr 27, 2016 12:03:29 GMT
1) Alliser Thorne's speach (I just found this scene kind of cool, sort of puts a perspective on Thorne's actions)2) Davos pissing off Thorne 3) Brienne, Sansa, Theon, Pod and a handful of the 20 good men. All of it was good 4) Jaime and Cersei 5) Tyrion and Varys, the whole scene. These two have some of the best lines in the episode. Owen Teale gives great speeches. I would have put that as my #6. After watching Watchers on the Wall, I was thinking to myself why would anyone pick Jon over Thorne just based on Teale's ability to do a fabulous and convincing speech? He makes you believe him. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:08:44 GMT
I kind of love to respect/hate Thorne. He's played really well.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:50:10 GMT
1) Alliser Thorne's speach (I just found this scene kind of cool, sort of puts a perspective on Thorne's actions)2) Davos pissing off Thorne 3) Brienne, Sansa, Theon, Pod and a handful of the 20 good men. All of it was good 4) Jaime and Cersei 5) Tyrion and Varys, the whole scene. These two have some of the best lines in the episode. Owen Teale gives great speeches. I would have put that as my #6. After watching Watchers on the Wall, I was thinking to myself why would anyone pick Jon over Thorne just based on Teale's ability to do a fabulous and convincing speech? He makes you believe him. If the WW weren't real, I'm sure that majority of the NW (even Mormont, Qhorin etc) would've agreed that Jon's decision to let savages to Westeros was a bad idea. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 12:56:04 GMT
Owen Teale gives great speeches. I would have put that as my #6. After watching Watchers on the Wall, I was thinking to myself why would anyone pick Jon over Thorne just based on Teale's ability to do a fabulous and convincing speech? He makes you believe him. If the WW weren't real, I'm sure that majority of the NW (even Mormont, Qhorin etc) would've agreed that Jon's decision to let savages to Westeros was a bad idea. And Thorne and his buddies still haven't seen the WW up close. It kind of bugs me that Jon's contingent hasn't been able to convince them of what's coming, though, especially when they have a giant with them. That is one downside of switching up the order of things from the book. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 13:03:33 GMT
If the WW weren't real, I'm sure that majority of the NW (even Mormont, Qhorin etc) would've agreed that Jon's decision to let savages to Westeros was a bad idea. And Thorne and his buddies still haven't seen the WW up close. It kind of bugs me that Jon's contingent hasn't been able to convince them of what's coming, though, especially when they have a giant with them. That is one downside of switching up the order of things from the book. I would've hoped that the reason for FTW had stayed the same as it is in the books. Jon was a deserter, he "deserved" to die. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 13:04:55 GMT
If the WW weren't real, I'm sure that majority of the NW (even Mormont, Qhorin etc) would've agreed that Jon's decision to let savages to Westeros was a bad idea. And Thorne and his buddies still haven't seen the WW up close. It kind of bugs me that Jon's contingent hasn't been able to convince them of what's coming, though, especially when they have a giant with them. That is one downside of switching up the order of things from the book. It bugs me too because the only men who support Jon and understand why he let the wildlings through are those who were with him at Hardhome, it seems like. Also, we have to remember that in the books the reason they ultimately decided to murder Jon was because he was going to leave and abandon his post as Lord Commander and that really was breaking his vows. The show went a different route and it's a tougher argument to defend IMO. *edit: ninja'd by @rooseisazorhai! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 13:19:06 GMT
And Thorne and his buddies still haven't seen the WW up close. It kind of bugs me that Jon's contingent hasn't been able to convince them of what's coming, though, especially when they have a giant with them. That is one downside of switching up the order of things from the book. It bugs me too because the only men who support Jon and understand why he let the wildlings through are those who were with him at Hardhome, it seems like. Also, we have to remember that in the books the reason they ultimately decided to murder Jon was because he was going to leave and abandon his post as Lord Commander and that really was breaking his vows. The show went a different route and it's a tougher argument to defend IMO. *edit: ninja'd by @rooseisazorhai ! What happened to the survivors of the Great Ranging? IIRC only Edd & Grenn came back. Did they all join Karl's band of merry men or were they killed during the mutiny? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 13:45:48 GMT
1) Alliser Thorne's speach (I just found this scene kind of cool, sort of puts a perspective on Thorne's actions)2) Davos pissing off Thorne 3) Brienne, Sansa, Theon, Pod and a handful of the 20 good men. All of it was good 4) Jaime and Cersei 5) Tyrion and Varys, the whole scene. These two have some of the best lines in the episode. Owen Teale gives great speeches. I would have put that as my #6. After watching Watchers on the Wall, I was thinking to myself why would anyone pick Jon over Thorne just based on Teale's ability to do a fabulous and convincing speech? He makes you believe him. The book handled Jon's election much better. Sam playing the other 2 guys off of eachother made Jon winning more believable. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2016 13:47:45 GMT
Owen Teale gives great speeches. I would have put that as my #6. After watching Watchers on the Wall, I was thinking to myself why would anyone pick Jon over Thorne just based on Teale's ability to do a fabulous and convincing speech? He makes you believe him. The book handled Jon's election much better. Sam playing the other 2 guys off of eachother made Jon winning more believable. True. I assume this was their original plan in S5 as well, but Denys Mallister's actor died, so they had to change things. |
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 27, 2016 15:29:08 GMT
I think there's some revisionist history going on when it comes to the interpretation of the NW motives for stabbing of Jon in ADwD. If you re-read the book, it's clear that this mutiny is coming for quite a while and it definitely has to do with Jon's acceptance of the Wildlings. Marsh and Yarwyck have more or less made their minds up to carry this out even before Jon makes his WF pronouncement and Jon is very suspicious of their disloyalty in conversations with them leading up to that point.
I personally feel like Jon announcing he's going to WF is just overkill. Not only is it an out of left field development that they don't really delve into with Jon, but it's highly unnecessary as far as giving his brothers reason to turn on him.
So I like that they did it they way they did on the show. This was a long time coming and Thorne and co's actions are logical and justified given their perspective on Jon's decisions. And in doing it, they didn't make Jon look like a stupid chump like the book does. It's far more tragic this way.
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