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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 12:57:41 GMT
For me it's not any one of those coincidences but the preponderance of them, and the fact that they're all happening to Brienne, who was conveniently taken out of her book arc and set off on this plot-fixing arc. I didn't mind when she ran into Hot Pie and then the Hound and Arya. I thought it stretched believability when they crossed paths with Sansa's carriage and then ran into them, but I went with it. It definitely stretched believability when she then found Stannis, but I kind of was okay with the way it went down at first...it bothered me more over time as I began to think about how convenient that was. And now, boom, she's zeroed in on Sansa and Theon. I'll admit, I thought LSH fans were just belly-aching about book changes at first. Then I thought the same of Stannis fans. But since it keeps happening, I have come around to seeing that they really have been lazy in their use of Brienne. And I wish they would stop, because she is TEH AWESOME. Edit: It should be noted that I have no problem with people "bellyaching" about their favorite characters' stories getting altered (or cut) in ways they don't like. You're "allowed", and I'll never argue with you about that. So, please don't think I dismiss your thoughts on that, LSH and Stannis fans. My personal point of view is that I'm fine with any book change that makes a great story. Even if they cut someone beloved to me. I get that not everyone can or will feel that way. Well never fear. Her story should be somewhat back on track. Including LSH. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Apr 28, 2016 12:58:10 GMT
I don't think the fact Brienne finding Sansa in the woods was that bad, she just followed the Bolton soldiers.
The Stannis one bugs me, the LF + Sansa and Hound + Arya too, but still, this one made some semblance of sense. I don't get how she knew Sansa had escaped the Castle, but still, too many questions.
My main fault is that it defeats the object of having Brienne choose between revenge and duty last series. It made the whole thing seem pointless.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:03:58 GMT
GRRM has used deus ex machina in the novels too (not exactly where D&D have though) - it just feels more obvious onscreen is the problem. Novels and plays can get away with it because it's an expected device in "storytelling" which tends to be more prose-ish and dramatized. Television series have evolved to where we expect them to be more realistic and plausible. They have used Brienne as the deus ex machina and the failed deus ex machina (candle watcher) a bit too often though, I agree. There's just no one else in the changed Winterfell arc that could have taken that role though, really. Yeah I suppose they could have had newly cast Northerners show up to rescue her but it would not have had the same huge impact as Brienne and her 'oaths' so I understand why they've been leading up to that this whole time with her previous failures. It felt more like "Finally, something goes right, damn!" - at least that was the look on Brienne's face!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:41:42 GMT
While it was pretty much evident that it was going to happen, IMO Brienne finding/saving Sansa took away the whole scene of her abandoning her oaths to revenge Renly.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 28, 2016 13:45:52 GMT
One little thing that made me chuckle was Ramsay's hounds. Theon - We have to keep moving, I've seen those hounds, what they can do to people... Yes, all of that sniffing was truly terrifying  (This isn't intended as a criticism btw because I know they wanted Sansa alive so obviously couldn't release them properly. Although why Theon wasn't just cut down I don't know |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:48:45 GMT
One little thing that made me chuckle was Ramsay's hounds. Theon - We have to keep moving, I've seen those hounds, what they can do to people... Yes, all of that sniffing was truly terrifying (This isn't intended as a criticism btw because I know they wanted Sansa alive so obviously couldn't release them properly. Although why Theon wasn't just cut down I don't know easy: Ramsay wasn't there. HE would NEVER be cool with them torturing or killing his plaything without him. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Apr 28, 2016 13:49:44 GMT
One little thing that made me chuckle was Ramsay's hounds. Theon - We have to keep moving, I've seen those hounds, what they can do to people... Yes, all of that sniffing was truly terrifying (This isn't intended as a criticism btw because I know they wanted Sansa alive so obviously couldn't release them properly. Although why Theon wasn't just cut down I don't know Because those soldiers were some of the best men house Bolton had, the Twenty Good Men, and they can telepathically control dogs... I think. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:51:06 GMT
One little thing that made me chuckle was Ramsay's hounds. Theon - We have to keep moving, I've seen those hounds, what they can do to people... Yes, all of that sniffing was truly terrifying (This isn't intended as a criticism btw because I know they wanted Sansa alive so obviously couldn't release them properly. Although why Theon wasn't just cut down I don't know Because those soldiers were some of the best men house Bolton had, the Twenty Good Men, and they can telepathically control dogs... I think. So is it just 15 good men now? |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on Apr 28, 2016 13:53:13 GMT
Because those soldiers were some of the best men house Bolton had, the Twenty Good Men, and they can telepathically control dogs... I think. So is it just 15 good men now? Afraid so  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 13:55:15 GMT
So is it just 15 good men now? Afraid so Ser Fifteen of House Goodmen is still worth 15 men in battle. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on Apr 28, 2016 14:02:02 GMT
One little thing that made me chuckle was Ramsay's hounds. Theon - We have to keep moving, I've seen those hounds, what they can do to people... Yes, all of that sniffing was truly terrifying (This isn't intended as a criticism btw because I know they wanted Sansa alive so obviously couldn't release them properly. Although why Theon wasn't just cut down I don't know why just cut theon down and deprive ramsay of getting to torture him again? i'm sure rams wanted them both alive, a quick death would be far too easy and merciful a punishment for reek's treachery. |
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Post by Enid on Apr 28, 2016 14:06:04 GMT
Afraid so Ser Fifteen of House Goodmen is still worth 15 men in battle. Don't worry, by the end of the season, it will be 0 |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 14:42:14 GMT
For me it's not any one of those coincidences but the preponderance of them, and the fact that they're all happening to Brienne, who was conveniently taken out of her book arc and set off on this plot-fixing arc. I didn't mind when she ran into Hot Pie and then the Hound and Arya. I thought it stretched believability when they crossed paths with Sansa's carriage and then ran into them, but I went with it. It definitely stretched believability when she then found Stannis, but I kind of was okay with the way it went down at first...it bothered me more over time as I began to think about how convenient that was. And now, boom, she's zeroed in on Sansa and Theon. I'll admit, I thought LSH fans were just belly-aching about book changes at first. Then I thought the same of Stannis fans. But since it keeps happening, I have come around to seeing that they really have been lazy in their use of Brienne. And I wish they would stop, because she is TEH AWESOME. Edit: It should be noted that I have no problem with people "bellyaching" about their favorite characters' stories getting altered (or cut) in ways they don't like. You're "allowed", and I'll never argue with you about that. So, please don't think I dismiss your thoughts on that, LSH and Stannis fans. My personal point of view is that I'm fine with any book change that makes a great story. Even if they cut someone beloved to me. I get that not everyone can or will feel that way. Gurl, don't toy with my emotions.  I want her back too, I just moved my emotional eggs into other baskets some time ago. P.S. If there are LSH hopeful spoilers to be shared, please tag 'em.  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 14:46:31 GMT
One little thing that made me chuckle was Ramsay's hounds. Theon - We have to keep moving, I've seen those hounds, what they can do to people... Yes, all of that sniffing was truly terrifying (This isn't intended as a criticism btw because I know they wanted Sansa alive so obviously couldn't release them properly. Although why Theon wasn't just cut down I don't know That made me chuckle too. RAWR, fierce!  But leaving them alive made sense to me. As others said, Ramsay will want to be the one to punish them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 15:36:51 GMT
Well never fear. Her story should be somewhat back on track. Including LSH. Gurl, don't toy with my emotions. I want her back too, I just moved my emotional eggs into other baskets some time ago. P.S. If there are LSH hopeful spoilers to be shared, please tag 'em. The show did an excellent job of making sure almost everyone gave up hope. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2016 15:42:12 GMT
Gurl, don't toy with my emotions. I want her back too, I just moved my emotional eggs into other baskets some time ago. P.S. If there are LSH hopeful spoilers to be shared, please tag 'em. The show did an excellent job of making sure almost everyone gave up hope. False believers. Only those true to the lady have hope in the darkest of times (which is just as it's possible D&D fucks me over and finally this time because it's now or never for her to arrive  )  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 16:42:13 GMT
The show did an excellent job of making sure almost everyone gave up hope. False believers. Only those true to the lady have hope in the darkest of times (which is just as it's possible D&D fucks me over and finally this time because it's now or never for her to arrive ) I'm legit baking you die-hards a cake if she shows up. What a lovely freakin' day that would be. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2016 20:37:38 GMT
False believers. Only those true to the lady have hope in the darkest of times (which is just as it's possible D&D fucks me over and finally this time because it's now or never for her to arrive ) I'm legit baking you die-hards a cake if she shows up. What a lovely freakin' day that would be. IF Lady Stoneheart shows up this season, I think every single one of us who has been saying "she's cut for good, get over it" should have to use a LSH avatar for the entire remainder of season 6 at that point to pay tribute. Myself included.  |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 28, 2016 20:44:32 GMT
I'm legit baking you die-hards a cake if she shows up. What a lovely freakin' day that would be. IF Lady Stoneheart shows up this season, I think every single one of us who has been saying "she's cut for good, get over it" should have to use a LSH avatar for the entire remainder of season 6 at that point to pay tribute. Myself included. Deal. And if she shows up and turns out to be zombie Talisa instead of Cat, I want all the LSH truthers to use a Talisa avatar for the remainder of season 6  |
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Post by Admin on Apr 28, 2016 20:46:47 GMT
I'm legit baking you die-hards a cake if she shows up. What a lovely freakin' day that would be. IF Lady Stoneheart shows up this season, I think every single one of us who has been saying "she's cut for good, get over it" should have to use a LSH avatar for the entire remainder of season 6 at that point to pay tribute. Myself included. I'm thinking more of public whipping in the streets while I sit on a throne and drink the tears of the haters but sure...avatar sounds cool... |
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I want her back too, I just moved my emotional eggs into other baskets some time ago. P.S. If there are LSH hopeful spoilers to be shared, please tag 'em. 
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