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Post by boojam on Apr 20, 2016 9:22:43 GMT
Since they didn't get a screener (I guess?) N.Y. Times had this today: www.nytimes.com/section/arts/internationalClick on : ‘Game of Thrones’ Has Moved Past Its Blueprint, and That’s a Good Thing I am beginning to think when David and Dan got to Feast and Dance they finally started to realize how unwieldy George's elaborations had gotten with respect to translation to visual narrative. Condensing ensued. In the Variety interview was this: "The two say Martin has given them only “vague, distant” landmarks." That's a bit of a puzzle, I was given to take 'broad brush' strokes, the term GRRM uses, to mean definite things happen even if their elaboration or lead up events and following events are vague. George says he likes the show, but I wonder how much he really talks to D&D any more? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2016 9:28:35 GMT
 That's a helluva quote.
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Post by boojam on Apr 20, 2016 9:48:07 GMT
That's a helluva quote. Yeah! I am thinking that D&D had a different plan back in season 1. Dance of Dragons appeared after season 1, GRRM had already gone sideways in Feast , and Dance just did more of that. I am sure Dave and Dan like the 'high' points of Feast and Dance but before season 5 decided to condense most of those two novels into one season. George showed a little panic at this last year, in one interview, at least, where he said he thought Feast and Dance would be two seasons. (That's were he mentioned ending in a movie.) He never reiterated that again , but I think it was true. This all happened before season 5 for which he did not write an episode. |
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 20, 2016 14:34:57 GMT
It's telling that they only spent 10 episodes in S5 on basically the entirety of both AFFC and ADwD (after spending 2 seasons on ASoS) and no one was that upset about them getting to the next part of the story.
AFFC and ADwD have some great stuff going on in them but it's just way too much expansion/world building for expansion's sake. And that meandering doesn't bode well for TWoW.
The show has done an extraordinary job of getting the characters and plotlines back to a more combined state. At the end of S6, we should be able to focus on 4-5 locales/stories which should make for a tremendous last run of episodes. I have serious doubts George even knows how to get himself to that point now. It will take him another 5 books, which is obviously not going to happen.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 21, 2016 14:32:15 GMT
Since they didn't get a screener (I guess?) N.Y. Times had this today: www.nytimes.com/section/arts/internationalClick on : ‘Game of Thrones’ Has Moved Past Its Blueprint, and That’s a Good Thing I am beginning to think when David and Dan got to Feast and Dance they finally started to realize how unwieldy George's elaborations had gotten with respect to translation to visual narrative. Condensing ensued. In the Variety interview was this: "The two say Martin has given them only “vague, distant” landmarks." That's a bit of a puzzle, I was given to take 'broad brush' strokes, the term GRRM uses, to mean definite things happen even if their elaboration or lead up events and following events are vague. George says he likes the show, but I wonder how much he really talks to D&D any more?As Executive Producer, George is still involved with the show. Every season, he gives feedback on the outlines that D&D created. Just think of the example last year. No clue how it went down, but at some point GRRM told "Stannis sacrifices Shireen". It was either a S5 show only move or GRRM will write it in Winds or Dream. I'm guessing that Shireen was just going to die and GRRM put on the outline, "Stannis sacrifices her". He already said if TWOW is complete, he would be up to write an episode of Season 7 or 8. Unfortunately his window to write an episode for Season 7 is running out. Think there is a solid shot he writes something (series finale?) for Season 8 though. He promotes the show and parties with D&D guys during reward shows. I think he's showed his gratitude to D&D on numerous occasions because he knew how challenging adapting his book series would be. The show isn't perfect (BTW: neither are the books!) but its popularity speaks for itself. |
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Post by boojam on Apr 21, 2016 15:50:16 GMT
Since they didn't get a screener (I guess?) N.Y. Times had this today: www.nytimes.com/section/arts/internationalClick on : ‘Game of Thrones’ Has Moved Past Its Blueprint, and That’s a Good Thing I am beginning to think when David and Dan got to Feast and Dance they finally started to realize how unwieldy George's elaborations had gotten with respect to translation to visual narrative. Condensing ensued. In the Variety interview was this: "The two say Martin has given them only “vague, distant” landmarks." That's a bit of a puzzle, I was given to take 'broad brush' strokes, the term GRRM uses, to mean definite things happen even if their elaboration or lead up events and following events are vague. George says he likes the show, but I wonder how much he really talks to D&D any more?As Executive Producer, George is still involved with the show. Every season, he gives feedback on the outlines that D&D created. Just think of the example last year. No clue how it went down, but at some point GRRM told "Stannis sacrifices Shireen". It was either a S5 show only move or GRRM will write it in Winds or Dream. I'm guessing that Shireen was just going to die and GRRM put on the outline, "Stannis sacrifices her". He already said if TWOW is complete, he would be up to write an episode of Season 7 or 8. Unfortunately his window to write an episode for Season 7 is running out. Think there is a solid shot he writes something (series finale?) for Season 8 though.He promotes the show and parties with D&D guys during reward shows. I think he's showed his gratitude to D&D on numerous occasions because he knew how challenging adapting his book series would be. The show isn't perfect (BTW: neither are the books!) but its popularity speaks for itself. Had not thought of that, officially we don't know if he's writing an episode for season 7... my take would be that he is not. It would be interesting if GRRM did and he put in an episode big spoiler directly from Winds of Winter or Dream of Spring! |
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 21, 2016 16:59:51 GMT
Since they didn't get a screener (I guess?) N.Y. Times had this today: www.nytimes.com/section/arts/internationalClick on : ‘Game of Thrones’ Has Moved Past Its Blueprint, and That’s a Good Thing I am beginning to think when David and Dan got to Feast and Dance they finally started to realize how unwieldy George's elaborations had gotten with respect to translation to visual narrative. Condensing ensued. In the Variety interview was this: "The two say Martin has given them only “vague, distant” landmarks." That's a bit of a puzzle, I was given to take 'broad brush' strokes, the term GRRM uses, to mean definite things happen even if their elaboration or lead up events and following events are vague. George says he likes the show, but I wonder how much he really talks to D&D any more?As Executive Producer, George is still involved with the show. Every season, he gives feedback on the outlines that D&D created. Just think of the example last year. No clue how it went down, but at some point GRRM told "Stannis sacrifices Shireen". It was either a S5 show only move or GRRM will write it in Winds or Dream. I'm guessing that Shireen was just going to die and GRRM put on the outline, "Stannis sacrifices her". He already said if TWOW is complete, he would be up to write an episode of Season 7 or 8. Unfortunately his window to write an episode for Season 7 is running out. Think there is a solid shot he writes something (series finale?) for Season 8 though. He promotes the show and parties with D&D guys during reward shows. I think he's showed his gratitude to D&D on numerous occasions because he knew how challenging adapting his book series would be. The show isn't perfect (BTW: neither are the books!) but its popularity speaks for itself. Probably OT but I'm still having a hard time believing book Stannis actually does that. |
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 21, 2016 17:10:11 GMT
As Executive Producer, George is still involved with the show. Every season, he gives feedback on the outlines that D&D created. Just think of the example last year. No clue how it went down, but at some point GRRM told "Stannis sacrifices Shireen". It was either a S5 show only move or GRRM will write it in Winds or Dream. I'm guessing that Shireen was just going to die and GRRM put on the outline, "Stannis sacrifices her". He already said if TWOW is complete, he would be up to write an episode of Season 7 or 8. Unfortunately his window to write an episode for Season 7 is running out. Think there is a solid shot he writes something (series finale?) for Season 8 though. He promotes the show and parties with D&D guys during reward shows. I think he's showed his gratitude to D&D on numerous occasions because he knew how challenging adapting his book series would be. The show isn't perfect (BTW: neither are the books!) but its popularity speaks for itself. Probably OT but I'm still having a hard time believing book Stannis actually does that. I don't dismiss that notion but since it was GRRM idea for the TV character, his line of thinking is probably not vastly different from book Stannis. It's a hard truth to consider. I actually think show Stannis was more likable in the show until burning Shireen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 17:40:40 GMT
Probably OT but I'm still having a hard time believing book Stannis actually does that. I don't dismiss that notion but since it was GRRM idea for the TV character, his line of thinking is probably not vastly different from book Stannis. It's a hard truth to consider. I actually think show Stannis was more likable in the show until burning Shireen. Stannis will be dead by the time Shireen burns in the books. He'll never see her again, she will be burned without his knowledge or consent. Battle of Ice will happen in the first pages of TWoW. Unless Stannis survives Winterfell, he is not the one to burn her. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2016 23:48:54 GMT
As Executive Producer, George is still involved with the show. Every season, he gives feedback on the outlines that D&D created. Just think of the example last year. No clue how it went down, but at some point GRRM told "Stannis sacrifices Shireen". It was either a S5 show only move or GRRM will write it in Winds or Dream. I'm guessing that Shireen was just going to die and GRRM put on the outline, "Stannis sacrifices her". He already said if TWOW is complete, he would be up to write an episode of Season 7 or 8. Unfortunately his window to write an episode for Season 7 is running out. Think there is a solid shot he writes something (series finale?) for Season 8 though. He promotes the show and parties with D&D guys during reward shows. I think he's showed his gratitude to D&D on numerous occasions because he knew how challenging adapting his book series would be. The show isn't perfect (BTW: neither are the books!) but its popularity speaks for itself. Probably OT but I'm still having a hard time believing book Stannis actually does that. Idk, it will be less impactful in the books imo. Stannis doesn't really have a relationship with her like he did in the show. We certainly never had anything like their touching scene in season 5 at Castle Black. |
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