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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 8:36:41 GMT
It makes me sad that the show will end. I'm fairly sure there'll be spinoffs. It's HBO's biggest hit to date and there're many stories left to tell in Westeros. So it's a no-brainer to keep the cash cow going on in some way or another. I wouldn't really be interested in a Dunk and Egg story myself but that's one option for keeping things going. Or the Dance of Dragons or Robert's Rebellion or something original even. I'd be shocked though if there was no attempt to come up with a new show set in Westeros once GoT's through.
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Post by MarcusAntonius on Apr 15, 2016 10:31:52 GMT
I feel like this isn't surprising. Sopranos did a two part final season and this is really HBOs successor to that. The 13 episodes seems like an weird number of eps though.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 10:33:57 GMT
I feel like this isn't surprising. Sopranos did a two part final season and this is really HBOs successor to that. The 13 episodes seems like an weird number of eps though. It is weirdly specific. And, on top of that, unlucky. But I think it's probably up for negotiation. I could see them going up to fifteen but probably not more.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 11:17:23 GMT
So if they go through with the current plan, the show will end in Autumn 2017?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 11:19:21 GMT
So if they go through with the current plan, the show will end in Autumn 2017? My assumption is it would still be in 2018 and that they'd release it on a comparable schedule to their current one. But really we won't know until things are renewed and they finalize everything with HBO and work the details all out.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 15, 2016 11:35:32 GMT
I feel like this isn't surprising. Sopranos did a two part final season and this is really HBOs successor to that. The 13 episodes seems like an weird number of eps though. It is weirdly specific. And, on top of that, unlucky. But I think it's probably up for negotiation. I could see them going up to fifteen but probably not more. Yep, that's how I see it. There is a reason why this information is coming out now, because Season 7+ hasn't officially been renewed. There are two angles here worth discussing IMO: One is HBO wants more seasons of GOT simply for subscriber count and it gives them more lead time to create or adapt a new flagship series (related or not related to ASOIAF universe). HBO's emphasis won't be in a episode count but by amount of seasons. D&D work their ass off to produce 10 episodes a year and spreading it over 2+ seasons will lighten their load and allow them to cram more special effects into their episodes. Two is it's pretty obvious that we don't have much left to tell in this story. I'll redact listing certain S6 spoilers here, but we may be going back a bit in the books with some storylines before marching ahead into uncharted ground. It's a general assumption with the books that the endgame is nigh, Daenerys will sail West and the WW Apocalypse is coming. That's why I was puzzled as hell when Lombardo or somebody from HBO came out and teased more than 8 seasons a few months ago. And yes, it hurts to think that we are towards the end, but it's for the best gang. What I'm optimistic about is that we'll get new in-universe content after this series finishes. GRRM has a great relationship with HBO and hopefully he'll be involved with the creation of the new series, while he presumably finishes A Dream of Spring. I think HBO is going to push D&D hard for at least two shorten seasons, but I won't be shocked if there are three shorten seasons of 5 episodes each.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 15, 2016 11:38:02 GMT
So if they go through with the current plan, the show will end in Autumn 2017? Yes no way they would split one long season into the same Calendar year. This is all about subscriber count and control the workload for D&D.
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Post by mau on Apr 15, 2016 11:48:44 GMT
I think it makes sense to have only 13 episodes after this season. I don't want to discus what I expect to happen in S6, but when you look at the first 5 seasons it makes sense. Many of us think that GRRM can't end this story with only 2 more books. So it is logical to assume that D&D can't end this story in 2 more seasons (S6 and S7.5). But it is not logical. - Dany and Tyrion already met at the show. - Stannis and the Baratheons are dead - Myrcella is dead - Sansa is in the North, so no the Vale plot and no Harry - They cut YG - They cut Arainne and Victarion - Barristan Selmy is already dead - LSH is cut - every storyline is simplified ( minor characters from KL, Meereen, the North, the Riverlands, Braavos, and every other place were cut)
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 15, 2016 12:24:53 GMT
Not to be a wet blanket on the speculation or anything, but I think it's important for everyone to remember this key statement from HBO as outlined in the Variety interview: Nothing is set in stone yet guys. But the fact Benioff and Weiss have mentioned this magic number of hours and split seasons seems to indicate that's what they want at least. But everything could change by Season 7. I have to wonder if again, they're not waiting around for GRRM to finish Winds of Winter to decide? Nothing is set in stone but D&D have been pretty firm about at least between 70-80 episodes to tell this story. And honestly, I don't think they can wait for GRRM to finish because who knows when he will be done (unless he is closer to finishing then we realize). I always thought that the show would be adapting broad strokes of GRRM's ending, but how they get to that point and with what characters who get there, might be a tad different than how GRRM gets there. It is possible this 13 episodes over two seasons could happen, it could be 15 over two seasons...or they might get 20 (taking them to 80) but spread over 3 seasons. HBO does not have that flagship show waiting to "pop" yet in it's lineup. So I could see them trying to sell more seasons but less episodes per season for D&D to agree. Personally, I am glad the show is working with an end date in mind. I hate to see it go, but I'd rather they have end date then just keep going for the sake of going on. Doesn't GRRM have a deal with HBO to develop more shows? Whether they are in the GoT universe or not?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 12:32:18 GMT
It makes me sad that the show will end. Me too, but it's better to rip off the bandaid and see your show go out with a beautiful bang. It sucks to watch your favorite show get bloated, meandering and lose sight of the original direction and characters. *cough* Walking Dead *cough*
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 15, 2016 12:39:44 GMT
It makes me sad that the show will end. Me too, but it's better to rip off the bandaid and see your show go out with a beautiful bang. It sucks to watch your favorite show get bloated, meandering and lose sight of the original direction and characters. *cough* Walking Dead *cough* ER. I loved that show...but 15 seasons was too long. If GoT went on and on, we would be losing some actors who just want to move on to other projects. Having an end game is the best thing for the show, as much as it sucks for fans.
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Post by Admin on Apr 15, 2016 12:41:41 GMT
I think it makes sense to have only 13 episodes after this season. I don't want to discus what I expect to happen in S6, but when you look at the first 5 seasons it makes sense. Many of us think that GRRM can't end this story with only 2 more books. So it is logical to assume that D&D can't end this story in 2 more seasons (S6 and S7.5). But it is not logical. - Dany and Tyrion already met at the show. - Stannis and the Baratheons are dead - Myrcella is dead - Sansa is in the North, so no the Vale plot and no Harry - They cut YG - They cut Arainne and Victarion - Barristan Selmy is already dead - LSH is cut - every storyline is simplified ( minor characters from KL, Meereen, the North, the Riverlands, Braavos, and every other place were cut) That is still speculation.
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 15, 2016 13:14:05 GMT
Not to be a wet blanket on the speculation or anything, but I think it's important for everyone to remember this key statement from HBO as outlined in the Variety interview: Nothing is set in stone yet guys. But the fact Benioff and Weiss have mentioned this magic number of hours and split seasons seems to indicate that's what they want at least. But everything could change by Season 7. I have to wonder if again, they're not waiting around for GRRM to finish Winds of Winter to decide? Nothing is set in stone but D&D have been pretty firm about at least between 70-80 episodes to tell this story. And honestly, I don't think they can wait for GRRM to finish because who knows when he will be done (unless he is closer to finishing then we realize). I always thought that the show would be adapting broad strokes of GRRM's ending, but how they get to that point and with what characters who get there, might be a tad different than how GRRM gets there. It is possible this 13 episodes over two seasons could happen, it could be 15 over two seasons...or they might get 20 (taking them to 80) but spread over 3 seasons. HBO does not have that flagship show waiting to "pop" yet in it's lineup. So I could see them trying to sell more seasons but less episodes per season for D&D to agree. Personally, I am glad the show is working with an end date in mind. I hate to see it go, but I'd rather they have end date then just keep going for the sake of going on. Doesn't GRRM have a deal with HBO to develop more shows? Whether they are in the GoT universe or not? Agreed with your post. I think once it took 4 and 5 years to get AFFC and ADWD, the handwriting was on the wall. D&D were finishing the series first. However, I still consider it likely that GRRM pens an episode next year or Season 8. GRRM and HBO working on Captain Cosmos: www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/tvandradio/game-of-thrones/11517814/George-RR-Martin-developing-a-new-HBO-series-called-Captain-Cosmos.html
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Post by mattpeto on Apr 15, 2016 16:26:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 21:20:04 GMT
Not to be a wet blanket on the speculation or anything, but I think it's important for everyone to remember this key statement from HBO as outlined in the Variety interview: Nothing is set in stone yet guys. But the fact Benioff and Weiss have mentioned this magic number of hours and split seasons seems to indicate that's what they want at least. But everything could change by Season 7. I have to wonder if again, they're not waiting around for GRRM to finish Winds of Winter to decide? Nothing is set in stone but D&D have been pretty firm about at least between 70-80 episodes to tell this story. And honestly, I don't think they can wait for GRRM to finish because who knows when he will be done (unless he is closer to finishing then we realize). I always thought that the show would be adapting broad strokes of GRRM's ending, but how they get to that point and with what characters who get there, might be a tad different than how GRRM gets there. It is possible this 13 episodes over two seasons could happen, it could be 15 over two seasons...or they might get 20 (taking them to 80) but spread over 3 seasons. HBO does not have that flagship show waiting to "pop" yet in it's lineup. So I could see them trying to sell more seasons but less episodes per season for D&D to agree. Personally, I am glad the show is working with an end date in mind. I hate to see it go, but I'd rather they have end date then just keep going for the sake of going on. Doesn't GRRM have a deal with HBO to develop more shows? Whether they are in the GoT universe or not? Oh I agree with you, I'd rather they cut it off nice and clean with a good ending the show deserves even if it's not the same ending as the books and there's more to tell since GRRM most likely will not finish the books before that. As @witchy said, there are some series that just linger way too long and seem to be dragging the story out as a blatant money grab and that's really lame. I only posted the bit about it not being a set in stone thing with HBO yet because I didn't want people to assume it's definitely been decided for that many hours or the split seasons. Nothing has been finalized yet and they may not finalize it til next season at the earliest. We can speculate all we want how they'll divide up the story in that final season but we don't even have a clue yet how it will end so it's a frustrating guess at best.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2016 21:26:25 GMT
@envie I agree with you, but they also have to be writing S7 right now and for that to work they have to know how many episodes they are gonna do... at least roughly. Also, they always know more than they can say in interviews. It's just the nature of these things.
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Post by boojam on Apr 15, 2016 21:39:14 GMT
Why 13? Why not 8 and 8?
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 15, 2016 21:40:19 GMT
The final episode count/season structure will need to be announced within the next month so they can break Season 7 properly. I'm actually surprised they haven't started writing it yet, they're usually doing that around this time of the year at the same point they're finishing the last bit of post-production on the season about to air.
I'm pretty sure D&D haven't slept in a decade.
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Post by Admin on Apr 15, 2016 21:49:22 GMT
The final episode count/season structure will need to be announced within the next month so they can break Season 7 properly. I'm actually surprised they haven't started writing it yet, they're usually doing that around this time of the year at the same point they're finishing the last bit of post-production on the season about to air. I'm pretty sure D&D haven't slept in a decade. Oh they slept. They have interns to deal with problems or even writing the show
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Post by boojam on Apr 15, 2016 21:49:40 GMT
I think it's interesting that HBO is 'thinking about it' , I think the numbers come from D&D , not from HBO.
Two things come to mind, even tho Vinyl was renewed looks as if it's going nowhere.
Westworld, whats with it, supposed to have resumed production, I think it went down the toilet. (Edit: It did resume. Still gonna be a bust. The movie was a johnny-one-note)
HBO aint got nutten , I bet this is giving them a headache.
Benioff and Weiss : We do not garden.
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