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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 30, 2016 12:29:47 GMT
Much s I dislike Bronn myself, the pairing of him and Jaime seems relatively popular, so I imagine whatever Jaime does (assuming he does leave Kings Landing) no doubt Bronn will be there to buddy up with him. Since Cersei is now at war, she could just send Jaime off to fight her battles. She could have him go to claim Dragonstone and then have him there when Dany arrives (I'm assuming she lands on Dragonstone for this)
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Post by lordimp on Jun 30, 2016 18:24:42 GMT
I just hope Jaime survives the season and meets Dany and Tyrion. He should meet Dany because he killed her father and meet Tyrion again because he loves him. Hopefully Dany understands why Jaime killed Aerys. I think we are definitely destined for the Lannister siblings to meet again. The last time Jaime mentioned Tyrion on the show, he said he wanted to kill him for killing their father. It would be interesting if Dany's high regard for Tyrion spares Jaime's life but then Jaime goes after Tyrion... I don't think the show passes up the opportunity for the three of them to meet. My problem with Jaime going to CR, is what other character would be there? What would be happening in CR that's note worthy? Unless Euron attacks there? Or Dany lands there (which is doubtful). I am kind of wondering if Jaime, if he does leave KL, will wind up going North looking for Brienne? A Jaime - Tyrion meeting would be really interesting , Jaime confronting Tyrion about Tywin etc. Also Jaime said he wants to die in the arms of the woman he loves. Who is that woman , Cersei or Brienne ?
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Post by boojam on Jul 1, 2016 14:14:58 GMT
Interesting residue of season 6 is that Edmure was left alive, in fact might be released by the Freys since they should be in total disarray now. However we might never see Tobias Menzies again, I guess?
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Post by day dreamer on Jul 1, 2016 14:18:10 GMT
I could see them executing Edmure off screen now that Walder is dead. They probably think he somehow conspired against him.
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Post by Admin on Jul 1, 2016 21:00:59 GMT
Interesting residue of season 6 is that Edmure was left alive, in fact might be released by the Freys since they should be in total disarray now. However we might never see Tobias Menzies again, I guess? The whole thing is kinda awkward Arya killed 3 Freys, did she let her uncle out of the cell at least? And what will happen with Twins and Riverrun now?
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 2, 2016 2:37:32 GMT
I've been thinking. Most people seem to want a Cersei-Euron alliance next season, and that Cersei pose as the big antagonist for Daenerys' conquest in Westeros. While I do believe this is likely to happen, I really don't want that to happen...
The thing I like and have been waiting to see on Mad Queen Cersei is exactly the full-mode, batshit crazy Queen that doesn't care about anything. I want her to be as impulsive and incompetent as the Mad King was (sure, he caused a lot of trouble before going down, but that was more his loyalists than him actually, if you consider that Randyll Tarly was the one who had the biggest victory for the Targaryen side, Mace Tyrell was responsible for the siege of Storm's End, and Jon Connington almost captured Robert. Aerys Targaryen himself didn't have a hand in any victories of his side of the war).
What I mean is, I don't want to see Cersei becoming a cunning war expert, causing a lot of losses for the Targaryens this season. I want that part to be Euron's (he may attack Dany's ships with his fleet and destroy many of them, he may have a fireproof Valyrian armor, he may use the dragon horn to control Drogon and use him to destroy her army or whatever). I want to see Cersei acting mad on the local resistances to her reign (like common people, lesser nobility, maybe even Lannister soldiers, since she killed Kevan). She might even charge on the North or meet with Littlefinger again. I expect some exchange between her and Dany to occur, especially since Dany has Tyrion on her side, and maybe even some between her and Euron. But I'm definitely not rooting for an alliance there, nor am I rooting for her to be some kind of "Dany's rival" on the war. That should be Euron. Cersei is supposed to act crazy, kill a lot of people randomly, and then burn herself in the city on the finale (I don't even want her to last to season 8, I'd rather have her dying epically in this season's finale than last until the other year just to be offed on episode 3 or something).
We would then get one major battle against Euron (maybe in episode two, his fleet meets with Daenerys' and he summons a storm to his advantage and destroys many of her ships, in the end she wins but he manages to escape), followed by some minor battles against the Lannisters (Dany may suffer some losses here but not much, remember the Tyrells/Martells should be enough to best the Lannisters at this point), and then another major encounter with Euron in which he reveals his true power by capturing one of her dragons. I wouldn't be surprised if next season ended with the Wall coming down and Euron dominating Drogon. Meanwhile, other characters (Ellaria, Olenna) could lead the attack on King's Landing and we get the "burn them all" sequence. I wouldn't be surprised if we got Jaime trying to save everyone against Cersei, with Brienne as his champion having to fight the Mountain - that would be beautiful, she is the biggest hero in the series (loyal, brave, with honour) and the Mountain is the biggest monster (cruel, rapist, child-killer, undead), all of this in a burning King's Landing. Of course Brienne would somehow win (perhaps with the help of Sandor?) but Jaime would die alongside Cersei, and then King's Landing would fall completely - maybe taking all of the Tyrells and Martells with it. So Dany would arrive there with no Dragon (because Euron has it) and with no city to rule.
My imagination is working a lot today. But that's because I have to study for a test. So, procrastination.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 2, 2016 2:39:31 GMT
Of course, I may be wrong and what happens is Cersei is still scheming and cunning, and she marries Euron on her terms and continues to serve as the show's big bad. His fleet is powerful and somehow her army is still powerful (it shouldn't be, at least not compared to Daenerys') and we get a season filled with fights from equally strong armies. I hope not. I'd prefer the more confusing and chaotic scenario I pictured
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 2, 2016 2:50:26 GMT
Regarding the North, clearly Littlefinger will shit on the Starks' happiness and ruin stuff. I imagine the conflict might start because of the Wildlings being present on this side of the Wall, some kind of animosity between the Knights of the Vale and them (in the KitN scene, Yohn Royce is loudly saying that he didn't invite any Wildling invader to cross the Wall). Then, Littlefinger starts making Sansa's head against Jon and she buys it for the plot to move on. Jon is all about preparing to fight the White Walkers, but some Northern Lords might want to march on the Iron Throne against the Lannisters, and there is where Littlefinger and Sansa will plant the seeds against the Jon. I expect the scenario of a betrayal against him to be slowly built up until the finale, when we see if backfiring on Littlefinger, because Sansa had been playing him (and the audience) all along. It would be cool to see him, Sansa, Royce and some ambiguous Northern Lord corner Jon alone just for Sansa to turn and reveal that it is Littlefinger who is alone, because nobody trusts him anymore. She may sentence him to die or he may somehow manage to flee to the South, but I think the show will be done with him by then.
Another thing that can happen is the Lannister army march on the North, and we get the usual battles we've got in seasons 1, 2 and 3 between Starks and Lannisters.
Or, it is also possible that Sansa turns Littlefinger down immediately and he starts working for Cersei and plotting to kill Jon for her. I don't like this possibility because, again, it would put Cersei as the evil mastermind, Queen of Darkness, Darth Cersei status that I don't want her to have, and would also undermine Littlefinger as a villain a bit. I want him to work on his own terms, manipulating Sansa, just to, in the end, be outplayed by her and meet his end on the hands of the Starks, executed as Ned Stark would execute him (no dog feeding, throat slicing or something this time around).
But I wouldn't bet on a lot to actually happen on the North, like a civil war or something. Just plots, and then the outcome (or not) of them in the end.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on Jul 2, 2016 2:57:46 GMT
Arya, Brienne, the Hound, Beric, Thoros, Sam and Melisandre are all wild cards there. I don't even understand Beric's role in the plot at this point. It has always been clear his fire would be important somehow, but since it now belongs to Catelyn on the books, I find it difficult to imagine what he could do on the show. Maybe he will just die somehow, like being killed alongside Thoros (it would be stupid as fuck). Maybe someone important dies and he does what he should have done to Catelyn (like, Littlefinger somehow manages to get Sansa or Jon dead, and Beric passes his fire to reanimate the corpse - something LSH could do in the books, tying these two plots together). Arya, Brienne and the Hound may go to King's Landing to confront Cersei/Mountain, and be caught in the middle of the Tyrell/Martell camp, leading to interesting interactions there, before shit finally goes down in the finale. Melisandre may meet with Daenerys or she may just die for nothing. Sam will be studying, I guess, and be a witness to Euron's attacks on the Reach, and maybe even to his battle against Daenerys in which he takes control of Drogon. And he will find something important on his books, or maybe even on a meeting with an archmaester (if those theories about the Maesters conspiration are true)
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 2, 2016 11:21:03 GMT
The Cersei they're describing for season seven is someone who would never marry again, especially someone like Euron. She's only doing what she wants, and I highly doubt she wants to marry Robert 2.0.
With that being said, I think an "alliance" is possible in the sense that she'll maybe turn a blind eye to his actions, and allow him and Dany to wreck each other. Cersei will refuse to attack Euron, because she knows he's more dangerous to Dany than she is. He'll destroy some of her fleet, maybe kill a dragon, and then obviously die in the process.
Then, when Daenerys's army marches on King's Landing, Cersei will blow up the city, killing every single person inside, and probably taking out a decent chunk of the Targaryen army in the blast.
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 2, 2016 12:13:11 GMT
Interesting residue of season 6 is that Edmure was left alive, in fact might be released by the Freys since they should be in total disarray now. However we might never see Tobias Menzies again, I guess? The whole thing is kinda awkward Arya killed 3 Freys, did she let her uncle out of the cell at least? And what will happen with Twins and Riverrun now? Didn't Jaime send Edmure to Casterly Rock as one of the conditions of Edmure getting the Blackfish to turn over the castle to the Freys? I am curious as to what happens to the Twins and Riverrun now. Tobias Menzies is still on Outlander but he did not have much of a part for season 2 and I expect the same for the seasons going forward, so GoT could get him back. Technically the heir to the Twins would be Edmure and Roslin's son??? If Black Walder and Lame Lothar were Walder's only two sons on the show...
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Post by Enid on Jul 2, 2016 12:31:05 GMT
The whole thing is kinda awkward Arya killed 3 Freys, did she let her uncle out of the cell at least? And what will happen with Twins and Riverrun now? Didn't Jaime send Edmure to Casterly Rock as one of the conditions of Edmure getting the Blackfish to turn over the castle to the Freys? I am curious as to what happens to the Twins and Riverrun now. Tobias Menzies is still on Outlander but he did not have much of a part for season 2 and I expect the same for the seasons going forward, so GoT could get him back. Technically the heir to the Twins would be Edmure and Roslin's son??? If Black Walder and Lame Lothar were Walder's only two sons on the show... Walder mentioned that Edmure was back in a cell to Jaime, but maybe he was sent to Casterly Rock before Arya cooked the Frey pies. If not, I'd like for Arya to help him escape. It would be sooooo sweet if Edmure's son is the heir to the Twins after Walder boasted about his family taking Riverrun from the Tullys
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 2, 2016 12:37:55 GMT
Didn't Jaime send Edmure to Casterly Rock as one of the conditions of Edmure getting the Blackfish to turn over the castle to the Freys? I am curious as to what happens to the Twins and Riverrun now. Tobias Menzies is still on Outlander but he did not have much of a part for season 2 and I expect the same for the seasons going forward, so GoT could get him back. Technically the heir to the Twins would be Edmure and Roslin's son??? If Black Walder and Lame Lothar were Walder's only two sons on the show... Walder mentioned that Edmure was back in a cell to Jaime, but maybe he was sent to Casterly Rock before Arya cooked the Frey pies. If not, I'd like for Arya to help him escape. It would be sooooo sweet if Edmure's son is the heir to the Twins after Walder boasted about his family taking Riverrun from the Tullys I completely forgot about that line, thank you. That would be sweet revenge if Edmure's son is heir to the Twins! I wonder if Arya even knows her uncle is there in the cells? Do you think season 7 opens with her still in the Twins?
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Post by boojam on Jul 2, 2016 12:47:01 GMT
Much s I dislike Bronn myself, the pairing of him and Jaime seems relatively popular, so I imagine whatever Jaime does (assuming he does leave Kings Landing) no doubt Bronn will be there to buddy up with him. Since Cersei is now at war, she could just send Jaime off to fight her battles. She could have him go to claim Dragonstone and then have him there when Dany arrives (I'm assuming she lands on Dragonstone for this) You know if logic prevailed Jamie would only have the Lannister army, and even that might be problematic now.
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Post by boojam on Jul 2, 2016 12:49:52 GMT
The whole thing is kinda awkward Arya killed 3 Freys, did she let her uncle out of the cell at least? And what will happen with Twins and Riverrun now? Didn't Jaime send Edmure to Casterly Rock as one of the conditions of Edmure getting the Blackfish to turn over the castle to the Freys? I am curious as to what happens to the Twins and Riverrun now. Tobias Menzies is still on Outlander but he did not have much of a part for season 2 and I expect the same for the seasons going forward, so GoT could get him back. Technically the heir to the Twins would be Edmure and Roslin's son??? If Black Walder and Lame Lothar were Walder's only two sons on the show... One thing Jamie did seem to promise Edmure that he would be free to stay at Riverrun, I guess under house arrest. Jamie had already over ridden the Freys and now not even those two plus Walder are around.
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Post by boojam on Jul 2, 2016 12:52:56 GMT
I don't usually quote Alt Shift X on YouTube , but he did find a scene on the show where Marg mentions at least one , and I think more relatives at HighGarden, so no real a power vacuum there , same is true of The Twins and The Dreadfort, tho I guess that now the Starks.
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Post by Enid on Jul 2, 2016 13:24:54 GMT
Walder mentioned that Edmure was back in a cell to Jaime, but maybe he was sent to Casterly Rock before Arya cooked the Frey pies. If not, I'd like for Arya to help him escape. It would be sooooo sweet if Edmure's son is the heir to the Twins after Walder boasted about his family taking Riverrun from the Tullys I completely forgot about that line, thank you. That would be sweet revenge if Edmure's son is heir to the Twins! I wonder if Arya even knows her uncle is there in the cells? Do you think season 7 opens with her still in the Twins? I don't think so. The smart thing to do would be to GTFO as soon as Walder is dead, before anyone thinks about asking the servant who served Walder his last meal, that also has a toe in it. Logic says Arya should have heard something about her uncle while posing as a servant, and maybe she thought of a plan to get Edmure out of the dungeon before she left, at least that is my hope, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is still there next season, or if he gets killed off-screen between seasons. I don't usually quote Alt Shift X on YouTube , but he did find a scene on the show where Marg mentions at least one , and I think more relatives at HighGarden, so no real a power vacuum there , same is true of The Twins and The Dreadfort, tho I guess that now the Starks. There may be other Tyrell branches that can rule the Reach, but the main Tyrell line has been destroyed. The show made it clear in one of the Olenna/Tywin conversations that Margaery and Loras were the only two children Mance had. I agree that is very unlikely that Edmure's son is next in line for the Twins after Walder's death considering how many children and grandchildren he had, but hey, if the show decides to change things up so a Tully ends up controlling the Twins, I'm more than ok with it. Disagree about the Dreadfort, both in the books and the show is made clear that Roose and Ramsay are the last Boltons and have no more family.House Bolton is gone, and the Dreadfort is either abandoned like Winterfell was after it was burned or controlled by some castellan that has no claim to it.
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Post by boojam on Jul 2, 2016 13:32:48 GMT
I completely forgot about that line, thank you. That would be sweet revenge if Edmure's son is heir to the Twins! I wonder if Arya even knows her uncle is there in the cells? Do you think season 7 opens with her still in the Twins? I don't think so. The smart thing to do would be to GTFO as soon as Walder is dead, before anyone thinks about asking the servant who served Walder his last meal, that also has a toe in it. Logic says Arya should have heard something about her uncle while posing as a servant, and maybe she thought of a plan to get Edmure out of the dungeon before she left, at least that is my hope, but I wouldn't be surprised if he is still there next season, or if he gets killed off-screen between seasons. I don't usually quote Alt Shift X on YouTube , but he did find a scene on the show where Marg mentions at least one , and I think more relatives at HighGarden, so no real a power vacuum there , same is true of The Twins and The Dreadfort, tho I guess that now the Starks. There may be other Tyrell branches that can rule the Reach, but the main Tyrell line has been destroyed. The show made it clear in one of the Olenna/Tywin conversations that Margaery and Loras were the only two children Mance had. I agree that is very unlikely that Edmure's son is next in line for the Twins after Walder's death considering how many children and grandchildren he had, but hey, if the show decides to change things up so a Tully ends up controlling the Twins, I'm more than ok with it. Disagree about the Dreadfort, both in the books and the show is made clear that Roose and Ramsay are the last Boltons and have no more family.House Bolton is gone, and the Dreadfort is either abandoned like Winterfell was after it was burned or controlled by some castellan that has no claim to it. I sure in the books the Boltons had relatives. Too much detail for the show. Logic not prevailing, when the whole Ramsay story gets out seems who ever inherits Freydom , and there is a lot!, should claim The Dreadfort , unless some distant relative of Rooses wants it. The Starks could give it to someone.
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Post by Enid on Jul 2, 2016 13:50:16 GMT
I sure in the books the Boltons had relatives. Too much detail for the show. Logic not prevailing, when the whole Ramsay story gets out seems who ever inherits Freydom , and there is a lot!, should claim The Dreadfort , unless some distant relative of Rooses wants it. The Starks could give it to someone. Nah, even in the books the Boltons have no relatives. Roose did marry two northen ladies, and his son Domeric was Lady Dustin's nephew, but he is dead, and so are any fanmily connections the Boltons had. Once Roose and Ramsay die, house Bolton dies with them. It will depend on whoever is in charge after they are gone to decide what to do with the Dreadfort and its lands.
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Post by boojam on Jul 2, 2016 16:48:56 GMT
I sure in the books the Boltons had relatives. Too much detail for the show. Logic not prevailing, when the whole Ramsay story gets out seems who ever inherits Freydom , and there is a lot!, should claim The Dreadfort , unless some distant relative of Rooses wants it. The Starks could give it to someone. Nah, even in the books the Boltons have no relatives. Roose did marry two northen ladies, and his son Domeric was Lady Dustin's nephew, but he is dead, and so are any fanmily connections the Boltons had. Once Roose and Ramsay die, house Bolton dies with them. It will depend on whoever is in charge after they are gone to decide what to do with the Dreadfort and its lands. That should be the Crown, but it's hard to tell , even book wise, if the Crown is interested in the North any more. In fact , show wise, the Crown never even knew that the Warden of the North title had been usurped. Logically the Crown should be upset with all the shenanigans of Ramasy.
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