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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 1:23:42 GMT
Even though S6 hasn't started yet, I figured I'd make this thread now since we have been discussing the likelihood of Queenbowl and King's Landing burning being the climax of S7 in the past few weeks. This is extremely early speculation, but I was thinking about how King's Landing could end for S6 and begin for S7 and immediately remembered that scene D&D talked about in the podcast from February that was originally planned in The Throne Room, but was moved to be a massive parade in the streets of King's Landing that will be filmed in Dubrovnik with 1000 extras. We know that in S6, some version of the ADWD epilogue will be adapted so I think Varys will come back to King's Landing and have his "little birds" kill Kevan and Pycelle. Now after Cersei's Trial of the Seven, I could see her sending Gregor to kill Margaery because she obviously wants to remove the Tyrells from power completely, but what if Tommen intervenes and is accidentally killed by Gregor leaving it as a massive cliffhanger for Cersei's reaction. freeparking and archiechvyalthan speculated this so I'll give them credit, but I also think that this S7 scene might actually end up being King Tommen's funeral, which would be extremely significant as it's the last of Cersei's children and would also be one of her motivations to eventually burn King's Landing. Cersei would essentially take all of the power for herself with Gregor and Qyburn at her side. @konradsmith , Daveyjoe, @kairos , and many others have also discussed the theory of Cleganebowl occurring during Cersei's breakdown burning KL with wildfire, which I think seems pretty likely at this point. Cersei has not only threatened to burn the city several times in the show and the books, but inevitably Sandor needs to face his brother one last time. As does Jaime with Cersei since they came into this world together and would then die together. Considering that Dany will be on her way to Westeros, I could see the penultimate episode of S7 being Queenbowl, which would be Dany marching on King's Landing, Jaime and Sandor coming to face their siblings, and Cersei burning the city with wildfire before Dany can take it. Cersei could scream "Burn Them All!" which would be reminiscent of Jaime killing the Mad King. Only this time Jaime arrives to kill Cersei fulling the prophecy of the "Valonqar" and the city actually burns. While this is going down in Red Keep, Sandor faces his fears of fire by having a last duel with The Mountain. Now there are some that say that Sandor could die protecting Sansa or Arya, perhaps before Queenbowl occurs, one of Cersei's last mission was to send someone to kill Sansa or Arya, but at least in this way Sandor is preventing Cersei from carrying out this mission because he is stopping his brother. Cersei fears that Sansa or Arya will be Queen in the North, which she doesn't want to happen. It really depends on who she thinks is the younger, more beautiful queen in the prophecy and it could change just based on what Cersei is feeling in that moment. Though she could just have her focus on Dany for a majority of the season, who will spend her time dealing with Euron in the south before making a move on King’s Landing. I think the finale of Season 7 could open with Dany walking through a destroyed Red Keep with ash and snow falling from the great ceiling in the Throne Room parallel to her vision in the HotU and then she would turn her eyes North to the invasion of the White Walkers. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Apr 5, 2016 1:34:15 GMT
Even though S6 hasn't started yet, I figured I'd make this thread now since we have been discussing the likelihood of Queenbowl and King's Landing burning being the climax of S7 in the past few weeks. This is extremely early speculation, but I was thinking about how King's Landing could end for S6 and begin for S7 and immediately remembered that scene D&D talked about in the podcast from February that was originally planned in The Throne Room, but was moved to be a massive parade in the streets of King's Landing that will be filmed in Dubrovnik with 1000 extras. We know that in S6, some version of the ADWD epilogue will be adapted so I think Varys will come back to King's Landing and have his "little birds" kill Kevan and Pycelle. Now after Cersei's Trial of the Seven, I could see her sending Gregor to kill Margaery because she obviously wants to remove the Tyrells from power completely, but what if Tommen intervenes and is accidentally killed by Gregor leaving it as a massive cliffhanger for Cersei's reaction. freeparking and archiechvyalthan speculated this so I'll give them credit, but I also think that this S7 scene might actually end up being King Tommen's funeral, which would be extremely significant as it's the last of Cersei's children and would also be one of her motivations to eventually burn King's Landing. Cersei would essentially take all of the power for herself with Gregor and Qyburn at her side. @konradsmith , Daveyjoe, Kairos, and many others have also discussed the theory of Cleganebowl occurring during Cersei's breakdown burning KL with wildfire, which I think seems pretty likely at this point. Cersei has not only threatened to burn the city several times in the show and the books, but inevitably Sandor needs to face his brother one last time. As does Jaime with Cersei since they came into this world together and would then die together. Considering that Dany will be on her way to Westeros, I could see the "Episode 9" of S7 being Queenbowl, which would be Dany marching on King's Landing, Jaime and Sandor coming to face their siblings, and Cersei burning the city with wildfire before Dany can take it. Cersei could scream "Burn Them All!" which would be reminiscent of Jaime killing the Mad King. Only this time Jaime arrives to kill Cersei fulling the prophecy of the "Valonqar" and the city actually burns. While this is going down in Red Keep, Sandor faces his fears of fire by having a last duel with The Mountain. Now there are some that say that Sandor could die protecting Sansa or Arya, perhaps before Queenbowl occurs, one of Cersei's last mission was to send someone to kill Sansa or Arya, but at least in this way Sandor is preventing Cersei from carrying out this mission because he is stopping his brother. Cersei fears that Sansa or Arya will be Queen in the North, which she doesn't want to happen. It really depends on who she thinks is the younger, more beautiful queen in the prophecy and it could change just based on what Cersei is feeling in that moment. Though she could just have her focus on Dany for a majority of the season, who will spend her time dealing with Euron in the south before making a move on King’s Landing. I think the finale of Season 7 could open with Dany walking through a destroyed Red Keep with ash and snow falling from the great ceiling in the Throne Room parallel to her vision in the HotU and then she would turn her eyes North to the invasion of the White Walkers Great idea! As Season 6 unfolds, we will certainly have more clues as to where the show is headed. Every year there is always a fair amount of hints and foreshadowing for the upcoming season. And yeah, Season 7 will be made around Dany's Invasion, with all the alliances, political maneuvering and battles that will follow it. Of course, we'll see the beginning of the true invasion of the White Walkers in the North, and the mankind undoubtly failing to stop them at first. |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Apr 5, 2016 1:56:07 GMT
Great speculation.
It might also be interesting if Cersei focuses on Dany all season and in the end it's the "little dove" that proves to be her undoing. Of course that would only ask more questions: what are Sansa and the northern/Vale armies doing so far south? My only guess would be that the north is overrun by walkers at this point and everyone is migrating south. Another reason for Cersei to burn the city to the ground, so that the refugees won't get the shelter they seek.
I don't know how it would go exactly but I think the Cersei-Sansa story is not finished yet.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 8:25:17 GMT
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Post by boojam on Apr 5, 2016 10:27:28 GMT
Though she could just have her focus on Dany for a majority of the season, who will spend her time dealing with Euron in the south before making a move on King’s Landing. I think the finale of Season 7 could open with Dany walking through a destroyed Red Keep with ash and snow falling from the great ceiling in the Throne Room parallel to her vision in the HotU and then she would turn her eyes North to the invasion of the White Walkers. We have speculated around here for a long time if Dany's vision in season 2 was a THING? Think that S2 stuff is true?* I mean the portents are her arriving after the Red Keep has been destroyed but also by the arrival of Winter. Then she goes beyond the Wall. Seems the (Others)-White-Walkers would be south of the Wall by this season and for sure by season 7. D&D must have S7 blocked out if not done by now! I expect S7 to be bigger than S6 so an eye should be kept on NI soon for big preparations. *It is interesting that season 2 was written when they were 'sticking' to the book story and GRRM's 'notes' for WoW and Dream. In the book visions in the House of the Undying there is nothing explicit like those , tho one would read a couple of them as shadowing those two visions. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 5, 2016 10:52:51 GMT
Queenbowl is love. Queenbowl is life.
I think you got it exactly how i imagined it as well. With all her kids dead and Cersei basically a sitting duck in the Red Keep as the mother of dragons comes for her head, she might just say fuck it and blow some shit up. Cersei's definitely got some suicidal tendencies, so I could see her going out with a bang.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2016 15:48:47 GMT
Well no shit, but it was on my mind.  |
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Post by boojam on Apr 5, 2016 20:45:33 GMT
Well no shit, but it was on my mind. Hey ho! Season 8 is on my mind!!! SEASON 8!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 15:26:54 GMT
I think it's fun to predict this far in advance ... and then go back and see how far off base (or on the money) we were with our predictions. If you only wait until Season 6 unfolds to predict well then you're kinda cheating at that point!  So with two weeks to go until s6 kicks off, I've examined all the evidence again of what we know for this season and I think Season 7 is going to be less about the petty politics of Westeros and more about setting the stage for the ultimate showdown with the Others. The Others will have made advances south and the reality of the situation will have become apparent by the end of season 6. I don't know when Tommen dies. I can't decide if it will be close to the end of s6 or at the beginning of s7 but it's going to be somewhere in there because that's the final nail in the coffin for Cersei's insanity to take full bloom and she burns down King's Landing. Because that's probably going to happen (it's been hinted directly in the show) - I do not think Daenerys will invade Westeros via KL directly. She's going to need to garner some more home front support. Her best (most awesome) move would be to take back Dragonstone and begin her campaign from there. I can see that happening in the opening episodes of Season 7 so she has plenty of time to establish her seat of power and begin meeting with those houses who will pledge support, plus she needs to learn about the greater threat of the Others and I believe she'll take that threat seriously as she has dragons and knows she's one of the few who can contribute on that cause. She will meet with Jon Snow and the Northerners at some point mid-season. I know lots of people don't think she'll come until the very end but I really think people are hanging too much significance on that vision she had which may have been (as much of her visions were) more metaphorical than realistic. A burnt and snow covered throne room is possible yes but that doesn't mean has to physically walk it as her first foothold in Westeros. That's not really plausible. I believe Daenerys will do much as fAegon did... landing elsewhere and beginning a progressive march towards King's Landing while Cersei paves the way by going psycho and the last remnants of the previous regime dies away. Now as to whether she actually takes the throne or not remains to be seen. No one has any idea what will happen with the Others and the bigger threat. Chances are Dany has nothing to rule there between Cersei's "Fire" and Winter's "Ice" so perhaps the thing is just futile anyways and she learns that the 'wheel' has already been broken. I've often hoped that would be Dany's final evolution, much like Jon Snow's ... she'll see the bigger picture and join forces against the Others. Season 7 bringing Fire and Ice together for the first time!  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 22:14:27 GMT
Maybe it's just wishful thinking but I really need QUEENBOWL to happen.  Sorry, Roose. I also don't think that Cersei would die in a midseason episode. I can't see D&D wasting her death so early on. They will want to keep Lena around as long as possible and Cersei's death is easily an episode 9 moment. Jon and Dany may be more important to the overall story than Cersei, but IIRC Peter's and Lena's names are always the first two names in the opening credits. She is the closest thing this show has to a leading lady. When she goes, it will be the season climax. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 10, 2016 22:17:32 GMT
@envie, do you think Cersei/Kings Landing will survive the Long Night? I kind of go back and forth on it. Some days I think Daenerys will help defeat the White Walkers, and, feeling unstoppable, marches on Kings Landing, only for Cersei to burn it down. Other days I think Dany only goes North BECAUSE KL is already gone.
I feel like things centered around the Throne itself should be the final thing the show deals with. But then I feel like it's unlikely Cersei would survive the War for the Dawn.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2016 23:09:22 GMT
@envie , do you think Cersei/Kings Landing will survive the Long Night? I kind of go back and forth on it. Some days I think Daenerys will help defeat the White Walkers, and, feeling unstoppable, marches on Kings Landing, only for Cersei to burn it down. Other days I think Dany only goes North BECAUSE KL is already gone. I feel like things centered around the Throne itself should be the final thing the show deals with. But then I feel like it's unlikely Cersei would survive the War for the Dawn. I'd really like the iron throne to become irrelevant long before the end. I could be way off but I think at some point in Season 7 everything should crumble whether by Cersei's help or the Others help. King's Landing is a crowded cesspool of starving people and corrupt systems ... it won't survive as survivors of the fire would flee like rats out of a burning barn only to be devoured by the cold and hopefully the growing threat of the undead outside. Think Westerosi version of zombie apocalypse. But then maybe I'm being far too hopeful haha. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 13, 2016 22:52:13 GMT
People think Cersei's gonna go full "Mad Queen" season seven, so it'll be interesting to see. She'll probably drive people to flock to Dany, as she's the only other option.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 13, 2016 23:45:48 GMT
People think Cersei's gonna go full "Mad Queen" season seven, so it'll be interesting to see. She'll probably drive people to flock to Dany, as she's the only other option. The irony for Daenerys is, when she finally does reach Westeros, she will learn that the wheel she intended to break was already broken and it will be much more about mending it if there's any hope for survival. I hope dear Jon Snow will teach her that and they join forces against the Others.  |
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Post by Nezzer on Apr 14, 2016 0:55:01 GMT
People think Cersei's gonna go full "Mad Queen" season seven, so it'll be interesting to see. She'll probably drive people to flock to Dany, as she's the only other option. The irony for Daenerys is, when she finally does reach Westeros, she will learn that the wheel she intended to break was already broken and it will be much more about mending it if there's any hope for survival. I hope dear Jon Snow will teach her that and they join forces against the Others. It's seems like the logical course of action for both, but it's kinda cliche and it would eventually lead to Jonerys  |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Apr 14, 2016 1:29:12 GMT
The irony for Daenerys is, when she finally does reach Westeros, she will learn that the wheel she intended to break was already broken and it will be much more about mending it if there's any hope for survival. I hope dear Jon Snow will teach her that and they join forces against the Others. It's seems like the logical course of action for both, but it's kinda cliche and it would eventually lead to Jonerys Sadly, I think that Jonerys is happening. I only hope that it's not as cliche and cheesy as certainly could be. I trust D&D to handle that... But yeah, I would have loved it if Karsi had survived to be something like Val in books for Jon. I would ship Karjon in a blink of an eye. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 14, 2016 4:00:32 GMT
The irony for Daenerys is, when she finally does reach Westeros, she will learn that the wheel she intended to break was already broken and it will be much more about mending it if there's any hope for survival. I hope dear Jon Snow will teach her that and they join forces against the Others. It's seems like the logical course of action for both, but it's kinda cliche and it would eventually lead to Jonerys I don't know why everyone always thinks that when Jon and Daenerys finally meet (if they do) that they are suddenly going to fall madly in love.  When I said 'join forces' I didn't mean that way! I think Jon and Dany could have a powerful alliance without being "Jonerys" and it would be great for once not to have Targaryen incest! I've never shipped them together even though I love both and do believe the parallels are there for Ice and Fire. I just think people take it too far to mean they're going to be a couple and it doesn't have to be that way - the Starks manage to have healthy family bonds without incest. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Apr 14, 2016 16:01:35 GMT
I don't think, if they do ever meet, that there will be any attractions. Dany likes bad boys, which Jon is not. And Jon likes Ygritte, who Dany is not.
She'd probably see him as a loyal soldier and honest man. He'd think she's strong. But he's disinterested with politics and kings and queens, which is her whole thing
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Post by boojam on Apr 15, 2016 21:32:49 GMT
This has been posted, ok, but this place is another place for it: Season 7 and 8 |
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Post by mau on Apr 17, 2016 13:07:50 GMT
My predictions for S7. It will be long. So I believe that by the end of S6 we will have 6 storylines left. 1. the North 2. KL 3. Euron/Sam 4. The Riverlands (Arya/Jaime/Brienne) 5. Dany/Tyrion/Theon/Dorne 6. Bran I expect that after the kingsmoot, Euron will atack the Tyrells, just like in the books. I don't know if Kevan will be dead by that time, but I expect Cersei and the Lannister to stay passive. "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" strategy. And besides, the Lannister will be busy with FM and the Riverlands. So Tyrells will turn to the Martells and Dany. We have reports about Olenna's scene with Doran and Varys in Dorne this season. I think they will form an alliance. Dany/Tyrion + Yara/Theon + Dorne + Tyrells. On the other hand, I think the opposite alliance will be formed around Cersei. I think Cersei and Euron will have some kind of a deal. Euron is fighting against the Tyrells, there is no reason for Cersei not to support him. And when Dany comes, she will be their mutual enemy. Another ally Cersei will find is HS. I know this maybe doesn't makes sense at the moment, but if HS survives this season, I think he and Cersei will be allies against Dany. Dany is coming with the Red God supporters. I'm sure that the HS will be against her. And the last ally for Cersei is Randyll Tarly. Maybe that won't happen in the books, but why would the show introduce him in S6? To be another general in Dany's army? I think Cersei will promise him the Highgarden and the Reach if he helps her depose the Tyrells. The show can easily write Randyll in S6 as ambitious man, who just think that Mace is a fool and doesn't deserve his service. So I believe we will have this in S7, part 1. Cersei/Jaime/HS/Euron/Tarlys vs Dany/Dorne/Tyrells/Yara and Theon And I don't know what will happen with Tommen and Margaery. They can both die in S6, or they can die in S7, part1. |
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Sorry, Roose. I also don't think that Cersei would die in a midseason episode. I can't see D&D wasting her death so early on. They will want to keep Lena around as long as possible and Cersei's death is easily an episode 9 moment. Jon and Dany may be more important to the overall story than Cersei, but IIRC Peter's and Lena's names are always the first two names in the opening credits. She is the closest thing this show has to a leading lady. When she goes, it will be the season climax. 
