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Post by archiechvyalthan on Mar 30, 2016 20:14:25 GMT
I think it's Stannis and Roose. They both have something in common: they tried to take Winterfell away from Ramsay. (Stannis did it literally, Roose did it tacitly, via the threat of his new heir). It's Ramsay's way of sending a message.Plus Javi from L7R said one of the burning bodies was already dead in season 5, although I guess he could have wrong info there. If it's not Stannis and Roose, then Roose and Walda. There aren't really other candidates around. While that does make sense, it really doesn't. Burning his own father's body to "send a message", even Ramsay can't think that's a good idea. No one is accursed as the kinslayer, that's one of the reasons why the Karstarks resent the Starks after lord Rickard's execution. I don't think Ramsay would mind being accursed one bit. He is most likely going to kill Roose anyway, regardless of whether he puts his body on display or not  The Stannis thing is a bit stranger, yeah.... so maybe it's just Roose and Walda. Still think that makes perfect sense in Ramsay's head. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Mar 30, 2016 20:18:10 GMT
I think it's Stannis and Roose. They both have something in common: they tried to take Winterfell away from Ramsay. (Stannis did it literally, Roose did it tacitly, via the threat of his new heir). It's Ramsay's way of sending a message. Plus Javi from L7R said one of the burning bodies was already dead in season 5, although I guess he could have wrong info there. If it's not Stannis and Roose, then Roose and Walda. There aren't really other candidates around. So like @envie said, they sow his head back on? Doesn't make sense. I don't think we'll see anything about Stannis this season. They are bringing back Kit, Nell Tiger Free this year to play corpses. They did the same thing with Charles Dance last year. Dillane wasn't seen anywhere. Here's the other thing. That scene happens 9 episodes into the season. STANNIS is so OLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD news. Audience doesn't give a shit and neither does Jon. It's not Stannis. Well, let's see. The characters who died last season were: Stannis, Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Maester Aemon, Shireen, Mance Rayder, Hizdahr, Myranda, Rattleshirt, Karsi, Loboda, Mossador and Barristan. So unless Javi's info is wrong, I can't see any other than Stannis in that cross. Yeah, it doesn't seems to make sense, but as I said before... who else? EDIT: Added my own namesake, Barristan the Bold. Somehow I forgot to name him in the dead character list.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:20:39 GMT
So like @envie said, they sow his head back on? Doesn't make sense. I don't think we'll see anything about Stannis this season. They are bringing back Kit, Nell Tiger Free this year to play corpses. They did the same thing with Charles Dance last year. Dillane wasn't seen anywhere. Here's the other thing. That scene happens 9 episodes into the season. STANNIS is so OLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD news. Audience doesn't give a shit and neither does Jon. It's not Stannis. Well, let's see. The characters who died last season were: Stannis, Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Maester Aemon, Shireen, Mance Rayder, Hizdahr, Myranda, Rattleshirt, Karsi, Loboda and Mossador. So unless Javi's info is wrong, I can't see any other than Stannis in that cross. Yeah, it doesn't seems to make sense, but as I said before... who else? Your name is barristanwhitebeard and you forget to mention him. Not that he would be in any way on that cross, but still. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:22:25 GMT
What is Javi's info? That one of the people on the cross is from last season?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:25:52 GMT
So like @envie said, they sow his head back on? Doesn't make sense. I don't think we'll see anything about Stannis this season. They are bringing back Kit, Nell Tiger Free this year to play corpses. They did the same thing with Charles Dance last year. Dillane wasn't seen anywhere. Here's the other thing. That scene happens 9 episodes into the season. STANNIS is so OLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD news. Audience doesn't give a shit and neither does Jon. It's not Stannis. Well, let's see. The characters who died last season were: Stannis, Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Maester Aemon, Shireen, Mance Rayder, Hizdahr, Myranda, Rattleshirt, Karsi, Loboda and Mossador. So unless Javi's info is wrong, I can't see any other than Stannis in that cross. Yeah, it doesn't seems to make sense, but as I said before... who else? I'm surprised we're still hanging our hats on everything Javi says. Really? After the sun reflector / Lyanna thing, I only take about 25-50% of what that guy says seriously. He may have *some* info behind the scenes but he seems to "embellish" a lot. I do not think it's Stannis on the flayed man cross. While to us it seems like a long time, it's not that long ago for the characters that Stannis attacked Winterfell so the motivation is there, but the reactionary audience isn't. The wildlings and northerners don't care if Ramsay flays/burns Stannis with or without his head. Since we can't tell who the bodies are, neither can the enemy. It's just a 'fear tactic' and it could be anyone, just like the burned bodies of Bran/Rickon were fakes. It's to put on display symbolically and I don't think they're anyone at all we know or care about. It's just for effect. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:26:51 GMT
While that does make sense, it really doesn't. Burning his own father's body to "send a message", even Ramsay can't think that's a good idea. No one is accursed as the kinslayer, that's one of the reasons why the Karstarks resent the Starks after lord Rickard's execution. . He is most likely going to kill Roose anyway, regardless of whether he puts his body on display or not The Stannis thing is a bit stranger, yeah.... so maybe it's just Roose and Walda. Still think that makes perfect sense in Ramsay's head. True, but Ramsay not giving a shit wouldn't matter. It's his army and Lords Karstark and Umber who would mind. That's why I don't think it makes sense. He'd lose his allies and most likely his own Bolton men too. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:27:51 GMT
Well, let's see. The characters who died last season were: Stannis, Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Maester Aemon, Shireen, Mance Rayder, Hizdahr, Myranda, Rattleshirt, Karsi, Loboda and Mossador. So unless Javi's info is wrong, I can't see any other than Stannis in that cross. Yeah, it doesn't seems to make sense, but as I said before... who else? I'm surprised we're still hanging our hats on everything Javi says. Really? After the sun reflector / Lyanna thing, I only take about 25-50% of what that guy says seriously. He may have *some* info behind the scenes but he seems to "embellish" a lot. I do not think it's Stannis on the flayed man cross. While to us it seems like a long time, it's not that long ago for the characters that Stannis attacked Winterfell so the motivation is there, but the reactionary audience isn't. The wildlings and northerners don't care if Ramsay flays/burns Stannis with or without his head. Since we can't tell who the bodies are, neither can the enemy. It's just a 'fear tactic' and it could be anyone, just like the burned bodies of Bran/Rickon were fakes. It's to put on display symbolically and I don't think they're anyone at all we know or care about. It's just for effect. I wouldn't be surprised if they're no one important and just there as symbols of House Bolton's power. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:30:44 GMT
You need to watch yourself, the Stan Stans will not appreciate this  by the 9th episode of the season.
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Mar 30, 2016 20:32:11 GMT
Well, let's see. The characters who died last season were: Stannis, Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Maester Aemon, Shireen, Mance Rayder, Hizdahr, Myranda, Rattleshirt, Karsi, Loboda and Mossador. So unless Javi's info is wrong, I can't see any other than Stannis in that cross. Yeah, it doesn't seems to make sense, but as I said before... who else? I'm surprised we're still hanging our hats on everything Javi says. Really? After the sun reflector / Lyanna thing, I only take about 25-50% of what that guy says seriously. He may have *some* info behind the scenes but he seems to "embellish" a lot. I do not think it's Stannis on the flayed man cross. While to us it seems like a long time, it's not that long ago for the characters that Stannis attacked Winterfell so the motivation is there, but the reactionary audience isn't. The wildlings and northerners don't care if Ramsay flays/burns Stannis with or without his head. Since we can't tell who the bodies are, neither can the enemy. It's just a 'fear tactic' and it could be anyone, just like the burned bodies of Bran/Rickon were fakes. It's to put on display symbolically and I don't think they're anyone at all we know or care about. It's just for effect. He could be wrong, of course. I don't like the guy very much, he seems to be giving too much importance to himself, so in fact I would like to see him wrong. Well, we always end this matter with the same answer: we don't know. |
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 30, 2016 20:33:42 GMT
My point is that the audience and story will be significantly past the ramifications of Stannis death by the 9th episode of the season.
Over/Under on Stannis namedrops after episode 1 is 5 for the rest of the season. I need to create an Over/Under thread for namedrops/appearances. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 20:35:51 GMT
What happened to Irish Thrones btw?
Did they die because of alcoholism?
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Post by boojam on Mar 30, 2016 20:54:53 GMT
Brienne cut Stannis' head off y'all! Did they sew it back on?! Roose maybe. Stannis no. I know that, but I dunno who else it would be. Walda and Osha are the only two I could think for being the second candidate, but still burning Osha wouldn't really be a threat if the wildlings don't know who she is. Walda, maybe, but she's not as well known as Roose or Stannis even if she was Lady of Winterfell. Seems Ramsay does this stuff as intimidation and I can't see where either Roose, Stannis, Walda or Osha would be that ,also there would be more than the Wildlings at the fight. Unless Ramsay is trying to impress by saying I am scary because I don't give a fuck. Which I guess could be the case. |
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Post by boojam on Mar 30, 2016 21:00:43 GMT
So like @envie said, they sow his head back on? Doesn't make sense. I don't think we'll see anything about Stannis this season. They are bringing back Kit, Nell Tiger Free this year to play corpses. They did the same thing with Charles Dance last year. Dillane wasn't seen anywhere. Here's the other thing. That scene happens 9 episodes into the season. STANNIS is so OLDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD news. Audience doesn't give a shit and neither does Jon. It's not Stannis. Well, let's see. The characters who died last season were: Stannis, Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Maester Aemon, Shireen, Mance Rayder, Hizdahr, Myranda, Rattleshirt, Karsi, Loboda, Mossador and Barristan. So unless Javi's info is wrong, I can't see any other than Stannis in that cross. Yeah, it doesn't seems to make sense, but as I said before... who else? EDIT: Added my own namesake, Barristan the Bold. Somehow I forgot to name him in the dead character list. Dead on the show and not in the books, as GRRM would say. Methinks Stannis, Mance, and Barristan will have plot roles to play in WoW , even if they die in that book. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 21:08:01 GMT
Well, let's see. The characters who died last season were: Stannis, Meryn Trant, Janos Slynt, Maester Aemon, Shireen, Mance Rayder, Hizdahr, Myranda, Rattleshirt, Karsi, Loboda, Mossador and Barristan. So unless Javi's info is wrong, I can't see any other than Stannis in that cross. Yeah, it doesn't seems to make sense, but as I said before... who else? EDIT: Added my own namesake, Barristan the Bold. Somehow I forgot to name him in the dead character list. Dead on the show and not in the books, as GRRM would say. Methinks Stannis, Mance, and Barristan will have plot roles to play in WoW , even if they die in that book. I doubt Mance will make it out of Winterfell alive. Barristan will die in Battle of Fire, and Stannis... Stannis is a tricky question. I think he will win against the Freys at the frozen lake, but then lose against the Boltons' main host at Winterfell. Of course there are other possibilities as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 21:08:22 GMT
It might even be a random person they are pretending to be a character. once it is flayed, who is going to know?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 21:09:31 GMT
The Game of Thrones cast reveals how they handle the Jon Snow question... If Jon Snow was permanently dead and not *SURPRISE!!!* being resurrected ... why would all these actors even care or need a special response? hmm. Methinks the general media (EW I'm looking at you) thinks people are much dumber than they really are. This is insulting even to non-book non-spoiler reading fans.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 21:09:51 GMT
I think it's Stan and Roose too. It does make sense. He was the last person who attacked WF. He also means something to both Davos and Jon (to a lesser extent but still, Stan saved his life). And having been involved with defeating him is something Rams would be proud of. It's not implausible that they find him in the snow in an early episode and Rams keeps his body for that purpose.
I only think he'll flay Roose btw because of the irony to that and i imagine he wants people to be able to recognize Stan. Roose he'll display because Rams thinks he's more entitled to WF than him since he's the one married to a Stark (which was of course the whole point of that marriage). Moreover I imagine the fact that he killed Roose and is married to Sansa will play a part at least in his winning over the Lords Karstark and Umber. Particularly Umber, I would imagine.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 21:40:15 GMT
Hopefully more from them here. |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Mar 30, 2016 21:50:04 GMT
Hopefully more from them here. They totally give it away at the end |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2016 22:18:36 GMT
I think it's Stan and Roose too. It does make sense. He was the last person who attacked WF. He also means something to both Davos and Jon (to a lesser extent but still, Stan saved his life). And having been involved with defeating him is something Rams would be proud of. It's not implausible that they find him in the snow in an early episode and Rams keeps his body for that purpose. I only think he'll flay Roose btw because of the irony to that and i imagine he wants people to be able to recognize Stan. Roose he'll display because Rams thinks he's more entitled to WF than him since he's the one married to a Stark (which was of course the whole point of that marriage). Moreover I imagine the fact that he killed Roose and is married to Sansa will play a part at least in his winning over the Lords Karstark and Umber. Particularly Umber, I would imagine. Well at least you and Archie agree with me. |
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