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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 5:29:54 GMT
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 21, 2016 7:08:51 GMT
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Post by lordcarson on Mar 22, 2016 1:09:58 GMT
RIP Jack and Billy. Billy was the best tree climber we ever saw.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 1:34:55 GMT
I do miss Viserys. i wish he stuck around longer but he did have an awesome death.  |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 22, 2016 2:05:06 GMT
I do miss Viserys. i wish he stuck around longer but he did have an awesome death. I came here to say I missed Viserys. Nobody brought the crazy like him  I do find him very interesting though, because you have to wonder how he would have been if it wasn't for being forced into exile and poverty and having to care for a baby at a young age |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 2:35:46 GMT
I do miss Viserys. i wish he stuck around longer but he did have an awesome death. I came here to say I missed Viserys. Nobody brought the crazy like him I do find him very interesting though, because you have to wonder how he would have been if it wasn't for being forced into exile and poverty and having to care for a baby at a young age Harry Lloyd was excellent in the part. But i would have been interested to see his development as a character if he was kept alive but Daenerys still did the same things. In terms of which way he'd go- become accepting of her and ride a dragon or be even more of a crazy Targ. |
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Post by TheKittenGuard on Mar 22, 2016 3:56:46 GMT
I do miss Viserys. i wish he stuck around longer but he did have an awesome death. I always liked the idea of brining back Lloyd to play Rhaeger though it will not happen. The real problem with GOT is that the "villains" are, mostly, too good. Yeah, they should die and you do want it but they are just so enjoyable. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 5:07:58 GMT
I do miss Viserys. i wish he stuck around longer but he did have an awesome death. I always liked the idea of brining back Lloyd to play Rhaeger though it will not happen. The real problem with GOT is that the "villains" are, mostly, too good. Yeah, they should die and you do want it but they are just so enjoyable. I think there are only a few true villians in the series. I don't technically count Viserys as one, sure he was a dick to Dany, but he was a grey character. Unlike Ramsay for example who is just pure evil. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 5:47:08 GMT
I always liked the idea of brining back Lloyd to play Rhaeger though it will not happen. The real problem with GOT is that the "villains" are, mostly, too good. Yeah, they should die and you do want it but they are just so enjoyable. I think there are only a few true villians in the series. I don't technically count Viserys as one, sure he was a dick to Dany, but he was a grey character. Unlike Ramsay for example who is just pure evil. I agree. Viserys was such a tragic character. Just look at this picture and tell me it doesn't break your heart:  |
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Post by TheKittenGuard on Mar 22, 2016 5:51:39 GMT
I always liked the idea of brining back Lloyd to play Rhaeger though it will not happen. The real problem with GOT is that the "villains" are, mostly, too good. Yeah, they should die and you do want it but they are just so enjoyable. I think there are only a few true villians in the series. I don't technically count Viserys as one, sure he was a dick to Dany, but he was a grey character. Unlike Ramsay for example who is just pure evil. He was a broken person and had a difficult life that I sympathize with. However, there is nothing showing that he was going to be something positive if he had the throne that will raise him above a villain for me. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 10:04:44 GMT
I think there are only a few true villians in the series. I don't technically count Viserys as one, sure he was a dick to Dany, but he was a grey character. Unlike Ramsay for example who is just pure evil. He was a broken person and had a difficult life that I sympathize with. However, there is nothing showing that he was going to be something positive if he had the throne that will raise him above a villain for me. I definitely think if he ascended the throne the 'targ madness' definitely would have dominated his personality. But i dont think he was inherently evil, but a product of hus environment growing up- learnkng mostly from the mad king during his early years that he was the most important person, then losing his whole family and being poor. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 11:31:49 GMT
Truth be told, all the villains are products of their environments.
Joffrey was the product of incest and was constantly told by Cersei that the world was his and he could and should do anything he pleased. Meanwhile, neither of his fathers paid him any attention, and he hungered for attention from Robert. The only dad he really had was the Hound, an abused child all grown up with questionable babysitting skills.
Ramsay was the product of rape and was raised first by a mother who hated him, and then without a mother and with a cold father who likes to troll him about being a worthless bastard and (in the books) the demented Reek.
The Mountain may be the only natural born killer. We don't really know how he was treated before he started becoming a bad boy.
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Post by TheKittenGuard on Mar 22, 2016 14:56:35 GMT
He was a broken person and had a difficult life that I sympathize with. However, there is nothing showing that he was going to be something positive if he had the throne that will raise him above a villain for me. I definitely think if he ascended the throne the 'targ madness' definitely would have dominated his personality. But i dont think he was inherently evil, but a product of hus environment growing up- learnkng mostly from the mad king during his early years that he was the most important person, then losing his whole family and being poor. I do not think any character is inherently evil regardless of how they are presented to us as readers (or viewers). On the Mountain, there were some references that he had, what we will consider, to be severe Migranes. There could be something physical going on. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 15:10:25 GMT
I definitely think if he ascended the throne the 'targ madness' definitely would have dominated his personality. But i dont think he was inherently evil, but a product of hus environment growing up- learnkng mostly from the mad king during his early years that he was the most important person, then losing his whole family and being poor. I do not think any character is inherently evil regardless of how they are presented to us as readers (or viewers). On the Mountain, there were some references that he had, what we will consider, to be severe Migranes. There could be something physical going on. IIRC that was as an adult though. I think he was bad from the start considering what he did to Sandor. And possibly his sister. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 15:15:54 GMT
Truth be told, all the villains are products of their environments. Joffrey was the product of incest and was constantly told by Cersei that the world was his and he could and should do anything he pleased. Meanwhile, neither of his fathers paid him any attention, and he hungered for attention from Robert. The only dad he really had was the Hound, an abused child all grown up with questionable babysitting skills. Ramsay was the product of rape and was raised first by a mother who hated him, and then without a mother and with a cold father who likes to troll him about being a worthless bastard and (in the books) the demented Reek. The Mountain may be the only natural born killer. We don't really know how he was treated before he started becoming a bad boy. I don't think anything supports this. According to Roose, the mother told Ramsay "how his father was unfair for forcing his son to live in a farm while he himself was Lord of the Dreadfort and that the castle should be his". In the books Ramsay has been living with Roose only for about a year. It's said that Roose took his bastard to the Dreadfort after Ramsay had killed Domeric, which happened in 298 AL, the same year Ned became the Hand. |
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Post by TheKittenGuard on Mar 22, 2016 15:32:36 GMT
I do not think any character is inherently evil regardless of how they are presented to us as readers (or viewers). On the Mountain, there were some references that he had, what we will consider, to be severe Migranes. There could be something physical going on. IIRC that was as an adult though. I think he was bad from the start considering what he did to Sandor. And possibly his sister. Well, it is a clue. We do not know when they began. Gregor was basically breed for war. His aggressions would of been encouraged throughout. Gregor is more on the fantasy side of the story for me. So it is difficult for me view his humanity so that he has Migranes point some other matter then being just a one-dimensional horrible brute though that is what he is. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 15:44:34 GMT
Truth be told, all the villains are products of their environments. Joffrey was the product of incest and was constantly told by Cersei that the world was his and he could and should do anything he pleased. Meanwhile, neither of his fathers paid him any attention, and he hungered for attention from Robert. The only dad he really had was the Hound, an abused child all grown up with questionable babysitting skills. Ramsay was the product of rape and was raised first by a mother who hated him, and then without a mother and with a cold father who likes to troll him about being a worthless bastard and (in the books) the demented Reek. The Mountain may be the only natural born killer. We don't really know how he was treated before he started becoming a bad boy. I don't think anything supports this. According to Roose, the mother told Ramsay "how his father was unfair for forcing his son to live in a farm while he himself was Lord of the Dreadfort and that the castle should be his". In the books Ramsay has been living with Roose only for about a year. It's said that Roose took his bastard to the Dreadfort after Ramsay had killed Domeric, which happened in 298 AL, the same year Ned became the Hand. It's been a long time since I last read those passages, so I could be remembering wrong. I thought that she told Roose that she refused to raise him, and that it was his job, and so he sent Reek to take care of him. It was unclear if she started disliking him before or after he started showing signs of cruelty, and it was also unclear if that started before or after Reek #1 entered his life. In the show she forced Roose to take him as a baby because she didn't want him. Either way, I'd say it's pretty bad on one's self esteem to not be wanted by one's mother. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 15:45:52 GMT
I definitely think if he ascended the throne the 'targ madness' definitely would have dominated his personality. But i dont think he was inherently evil, but a product of hus environment growing up- learnkng mostly from the mad king during his early years that he was the most important person, then losing his whole family and being poor. I do not think any character is inherently evil regardless of how they are presented to us as readers (or viewers). On the Mountain, there were some references that he had, what we will consider, to be severe Migranes. There could be something physical going on. I forgot all about his migraines. The implication was that the pain made him irritable, if I remember. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 15:54:39 GMT
I do not think any character is inherently evil regardless of how they are presented to us as readers (or viewers). On the Mountain, there were some references that he had, what we will consider, to be severe Migranes. There could be something physical going on. I forgot all about his migraines. The implication was that the pain made him irritable, if I remember. It's said here that "Many of those who have been identified with gigantism have suffered from multiple health issues." The migraines are probably because of Gregor's unnatural size. |
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I do find him very interesting though, because you have to wonder how he would have been if it wasn't for being forced into exile and poverty and having to care for a baby at a young age
