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Post by boojam on Mar 20, 2016 20:29:05 GMT
Don't I remember cast signing for season 7? Those who started in S1 signed a contract for Season 7 (and 8, I imagine), as the contract is normally for 6 years. There was , indeed, an announcement about certain cast , before season 5? or right after season 4? , can't find it. (Some cast seemed missing, maybe they aren't there, but some I think will be.) Anyway that was for season 7, didn't say any were signing for season 8. I think after 6 seasons it is season by season, maybe. Season 8 is a bit of mystery at this point since it's only in-the-air , D&D have only said something 7.5 and were even vague about that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 20:31:22 GMT
Those who started in S1 signed a contract for Season 7 (and 8, I imagine), as the contract is normally for 6 years. There was , indeed, an announcement about certain cast , before season 5? or right after season 4? , can't find it. (Some cast seemed missing, maybe they aren't there, but some I think will be.) Anyway that was for season 7, didn't say the were signing for season 8. Season 8 is a bit of mystery at the point since it's only in-the-air , D&D have only said something 7.5 and were even vague about that. Back then D&D probably didn't yet know about the possibility of 8 seasons. They had always said 8 seasons, but backed up just after S4 and started saying 7 seasons. Now they're talking about 8 seasons again, which will probably be the final number.
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Post by boojam on Mar 20, 2016 20:38:26 GMT
There was , indeed, an announcement about certain cast , before season 5? or right after season 4? , can't find it. (Some cast seemed missing, maybe they aren't there, but some I think will be.) Anyway that was for season 7, didn't say the were signing for season 8. Season 8 is a bit of mystery at the point since it's only in-the-air , D&D have only said something 7.5 and were even vague about that. Back then D&D probably didn't yet know about the possibility of 8 seasons. They had always said 8 seasons, but backed up just after S4 and started saying 7 seasons. Now they're talking about 8 seasons again, which will probably be the final number.Have a reference for that? Because I can't remember them saying something definite about season 8 only HBO has said that.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 20:41:58 GMT
Back then D&D probably didn't yet know about the possibility of 8 seasons. They had always said 8 seasons, but backed up just after S4 and started saying 7 seasons. Now they're talking about 8 seasons again, which will probably be the final number.Have a reference for that? Because I can't remember them saying something definite about season 8 only HBO has said that. In almost every interview they did pre-s4 they referred to the show as an eighty hour movie. And after that they still sometimes slipped up and said that eighty by accident instead of seventy which was the official line for a while. But I think it was always meant to be eight seasons myself. The endpoints of s5 set up too much for there to have been only two years left.
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Post by boojam on Mar 20, 2016 20:50:55 GMT
Have a reference for that? Because I can't remember them saying something definite about season 8 only HBO has said that. In almost every interview they did pre-s4 they referred to the show as an eighty hour movie. And after that they still sometimes slipped up and said that eighty by accident instead of seventy which was the official line for a while. But I think it was always meant to be eight seasons myself. The endpoints of s5 set up too much for their to have been only two years left. At that season 4 red carpet interview seems Dan said 'we are half way through' and David gigged him and Dan said something like 'o I meant like 7'. Seems David then started saying 7, then before season 5 , about a year ago , he came up with the 7.5 thing. Since the end of season 5 I can only remember David being asked (at the Emmys) about 10 seasons and he said 'No way!" , but he did not say anything about 8. He and Dan were asked about a movie , implying a GoT movie (I guess) they 'O we would like a movie' but that was kind of tongue and cheek. Now , yeah, I expect 8 seasons, but I just have not heard Dave or Dan make a peep about it. Have heard of no cast talking contracts for 8 seasons either.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 21, 2016 13:57:53 GMT
"Even though Thrones showrunners have repeatedly declared they hope to conclude the fantasy hit around the 70-hour mark, HBO programming president Michael Lombardo for the first time firmly proclaimed the series will go at least eight seasons." Article from July 2015I think "70 hours" was the unofficial target pretty early to be honest until after Season 3. But $$$ has a way of changing that. It was pretty to easy to envision how 7 seasons would go, especially if it mimics the flow of the books (even the unwritten ones). TWOW=Season 6/ADOS=Season 7. This is how I see it happening with 8 seasons: Season 6: Jon and the Starks reclaim the North. Season 7: Daenerys travels West and reclaims King Landing. This will be the arc of next year. The Wall will come down in 7.10. Season 8: Jon and Daenerys take on the White Walkers during the heart of Winter. To consider going to a 9th or 10th season, I don't see how they can expand the content without bordering on excessive. If they really wanted to get to Season 9 or 10, they should have considered adapting the fAegon arc. Cutting fAegon and Griff is a clear signal to me that this show was supposed to be wrapped up in 7 or 8 seasons. The movie idea works if they want a massive budget with huge CGI-battles. I'm certainly okay with it, but it doesn't sound like HBO likes the notion too much. Lombardo says "at least 8 seasons". I just hope they don't take it too far. I'd rather they wrap this series and do something else in that universe.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 14:12:36 GMT
"Even though Thrones showrunners have repeatedly declared they hope to conclude the fantasy hit around the 70-hour mark, HBO programming president Michael Lombardo for the first time firmly proclaimed the series will go at least eight seasons." Article from July 2015I think "70 hours" was the unofficial target pretty early to be honest until after Season 3. But $$$ has a way of changing that. It was pretty to easy to envision how 7 seasons would go, especially if it mimics the flow of the books (even the unwritten ones). TWOW=Season 6/ADOS=Season 7. This is how I see it happening with 8 seasons: Season 6: Jon and the Starks reclaim the North. Season 7: Daenerys travels West and reclaims King Landing. This will be the arc of next year. The Wall will come down in 7.10. Season 8: Jon and Daenerys take on the White Walkers during the heart of Winter. To consider going to a 9th or 10th season, I don't see how they can expand the content without bordering on excessive. If they really wanted to get to Season 9 or 10, they should have considered adapting the fAegon arc. Cutting fAegon and Griff is a clear signal to me that this show was supposed to be wrapped up in 7 or 8 seasons. The movie idea works if they want a massive budget with huge CGI-battles. I'm certainly okay with it, but it doesn't sound like HBO likes the notion too much. Lombardo says "at least 8 seasons". I just hope they don't take it too far. I'd rather they wrap this series and do something else in that universe. I'm pretty sure the Wall will fall in 6x10.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 21, 2016 14:18:04 GMT
That's gotta the end end-of-the-show arc IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 14:20:27 GMT
I'm also pretty sure the Wall comes down in 6x10, because the North needs something to do in S7.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 21, 2016 14:23:30 GMT
I'm also pretty sure the Wall comes down in 6x10, because the North needs something to do in S7. That's what I'm getting to. It's hard to think of material that will stretch into a 9th season. It's gotta wrap up in 30 episodes. I'm guessing Jon will hand over WF to Sansa and travel south to deal with the Lannisters. The Wall stays upright for now.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 14:29:55 GMT
I'm also pretty sure the Wall comes down in 6x10, because the North needs something to do in S7. That's what I'm getting to. It's hard to think of material that will stretch into a 9th season. It's gotta wrap up in 30 episodes. I'm guessing Jon will hand over WF to Sansa and travel south to deal with the Lannisters. The Wall stays upright for now. I don't think Jon will participate in any Lannister downfall. IMO that will be a thing for the Southern Houses + Dany. My guess for S7 is that Jon and Sansa will prepare the North for a WW invasion, while shit hits the fan in the South with Dany, the Lannisters, the Martells and the other Houses.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 14:50:36 GMT
That's what I'm getting to. It's hard to think of material that will stretch into a 9th season. It's gotta wrap up in 30 episodes. I'm guessing Jon will hand over WF to Sansa and travel south to deal with the Lannisters. The Wall stays upright for now. I don't think Jon will participate in any Lannister downfall. IMO that will be a thing for the Southern Houses + Dany. My guess for S7 is that Jon and Sansa will prepare the North for a WW invasion, while shit hits the fan in the South with Dany, the Lannisters, the Martells and the other Houses. Don't you mean run around in terror while the White Walkers destroy castles? I think Bran will side with the WW.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 21, 2016 15:27:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 15:33:45 GMT
Obviously Thorne and the rest of mutineers are breaking through the door. I think Davos and the loyal brothers will kill them, while Jon later executes/orders Ghost to maul Olly.
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Post by King Tommen on Mar 21, 2016 15:40:44 GMT
Apologies for being away for so long but it's about time to get back into Thrones so I thought I'd ask about one of the plotlines I'm unsure of.
If this has been discussed, apologies again, but is there a general consensus on what Theon and Yara are up to? We know the Kingsmoot is happening and Theon will be linked up with Yara there. I'm not sure how Theon gets himself to the Iron Islands but I'm sure this will be accomplished with not much explanation after he's separated from Sansa.
But after the Kingsmoot, I take it it's believed that Yara will be dispatched in the Victarion role to go to Dany. Is Theon tagging along with her or will he stay with Euron so that we get a known POV to follow a new character?
My guess from the books is that after Stannis kicks it, Theon and Asha will end up back in the Iron Islands and there will be some eventual leadership struggle with Theon reclaiming his birthright (or sacrificing himself for Asha). I think the show will get us all there eventually too which bodes well for both of them surviving the season. If they do ship Yara out to Essos to link up with Dany, it makes me curious as to what Victarion's purpose in the books is as it is mostly assumed he's simply there to deliver the Iron fleet to Dany (whereas on the show, she already has a navy waiting for her in Meereen). Maybe there needs to be a Greyjoy link for Dany that becomes more important later on. Or maybe they just need to find something for Yara to do for a season while other plotlines are catching up, it wouldn't be the first time for that.
I'd very much like Theon to be by Yara's side all season because I think the show has done a good job of building their chemistry and bond but I suspect he won't be for long.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 21, 2016 15:50:03 GMT
Obviously Thorne and the rest of mutineers are breaking through the door. I think Davos and the loyal brothers will kill them, while Jon later executes/orders Ghost to maul Olly. I fear that Dolorous Edd dies during this scene.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 21, 2016 16:14:39 GMT
Whoever updates this seems to know more than we should know at this point. Bolded some takeaways I found entertaining: Plot Winter has come. Westeros braces for a winter which may become a new Long Night, as the White Walkers and their army of the dead are poised to strike against the Wall and the realms of men. In King's Landing, Queen Cersei Lannister has been publicly shamed by the Faith of the Seven and awaits her trial for regicide and incest. Even Grand Maester Pycelle has abandoned her, and called her uncle, Ser Kevan Lannister, to rule as the new Hand of the King. Even though Cersei has been released to their custody, her inept leadership nearly destroyed House Lannister's hold on the throne and they have no intention of ever letting her wield power again. Kevan and Pycelle must attempt to mend the damage Cersei did to the Lannister-Tyrell alliance. The Lannisters and Tyrells on Kevan's Small Council maintain a shaky truce as they attempt to deal with the ongoing debt crisis to the Iron Bank of Braavos, as well as the rise of the fanatical Faith Militant due to Cersei's blunders. Cersei meanwhile, though seemingly humbled, still has a few schemes she will attempt to play to regain control. In the North, the Boltons have triumphed over King Stannis — but in the distraction, Sansa Stark and Theon Greyjoy have escaped, desperately jumping off Winterfell's castle walls. Brienne of Tarth, who executed Stannis, must now deal with the consequences of putting her vow to avenge King Renly before her oath to protect Sansa.In the Riverlands, after the Red Wedding the remaining Tully forces (who were not present at the massacre of their Northern allies) pulled back to Riverrun castle - where they have been hopelessly besieged by House Frey's army ever since. The garrison is under the command of Robb Stark's great-uncle Brynden "The Blackfish" Tully, and is the last bastion of Robb's short-lived independent kingdom that remains unconquered. Riverrun's garrison may be surrounded and alone, fighting for a dead king, but their defenses are formidable, they have enough food supplies to last for years, and their commander is one of the most experienced and skilled generals in Westeros. The Lannisters and their Frey allies cannot let the siege of Riverrun continue to drag on if they are ever to claim real control over central Westeros. In Dorne, Ellaria Sand's poisoning of Cersei's daughter, the Princess Myrcella, may now force Doran Martell into the war against the Iron Throne he has been fervently trying to avoid.Across the Narrow Sea, in the Free City of Braavos, Arya Stark killed Meryn Trant without the Faceless Men's permission — but without the proper training, the use of one of their masks has poisoned her and rendered her blind. Her training continues, as now the blind little girl must learn to rely on her other senses to survive. In Slaver's Bay, Daenerys Targaryen's attempt to liberate Meereen has resulted in massive bloodshed, with the former slave masters conspiring to retake the city. In a large scale ambush on the opening day of the games in Daznak's Pit however, Daenerys climbed onto Drogon's back to try to escape the danger — but she could not make him return to the city. Instead, the young dragon flew north to the southern border of the Dothraki Sea, the lands of his birth, where the stranded Daenerys has been surrounded by a hostile Dothraki khalasar numbering in the thousands. Jorah Mormont and Daario Naharis have set out to search for her. Meanwhile, back in the city Daenerys's advisors Tyrion Lannister, Missandei, and Grey Worm are joined by Varys in attempting to hold together rule over the city wracked by the ongoing insurgency until Daenerys returns — if she returns at all. At the Wall, Lord Commander Jon Snow attempted to prepare for the coming of the White Walkers by letting as many wildlings through to the south as he could — but tens of thousands more were killed and resurrected as undead wights at Hardhome. The leading Night's Watch officers, increasingly upset at Jon's proposed alliance with the wildlings, have staged a mutiny "for the Watch" and stabbed Jon multiple times until he fell. Just before the mutiny against Jon Snow, he sent away Samwell Tarly to go to the Citadel in Oldtown in order to train to be a new maester to replace Maester Aemon after his passing. Samwell takes Gilly and her young son with him, rather than leave them in the path of the White Walkers. Oldtown, Westeros's second largest city, is located in the southwest of the Reach, not far away from Sam's former home, the House Tarly castle-seat at Horn Hill. Samwell and Gilly, however, face a long and difficult sea voyage before they get to the Citadel.Distracted by the political intrigues in King's Landing, the exhausted lords of Westeros must now brace for the rise of the kraken — the ironborn led by House Greyjoy. Early in the War of the Five Kings, Balon Greyjoy declared the Iron Islands' independence and raided the North while the Stark's army was fighting in the south. Ha ving remained relatively uninvolved ever since, the ironborn's massive fleet remains at full strength, a fact lost on the major powers of the mainland, who have been nearly exhausted fighting each other.All of this changes with the sudden return of Balon's exiled younger brother Euron Greyjoy — cunning, ruthless, manipulative, and more than a little insane, he strikes fear even into the other ironborn. He pushes for the ironborn to launch massive new offensives against the other kingdoms, not simply to raid, but to hold and conquer territory, as Euron's ultimate ambition is nothing less than to conquer all of the Seven Kingdoms. He is opposed by Balon's daughter Yara Greyjoy, who urges that the Iron Islands must preserve their strength and engage in diplomacy with the mainland if they are to survive.And as the winds of winter begin to sweep through the south, far Beyond the Wall the young Bran Stark has been staying with the last of the Children of the Forest and his new mentor, the Three-eyed raven, in order to hone his abilities. Bran will not walk again, but he has learned to fly.
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Post by mattpeto on Mar 21, 2016 16:19:20 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 16:22:09 GMT
Whoever updates this seems to know more than we should know at this point. Bolded some takeaways I found entertaining: Plot Winter has come. Westeros braces for a winter which may become a new Long Night, as the White Walkers and their army of the dead are poised to strike against the Wall and the realms of men. In King's Landing, Queen Cersei Lannister has been publicly shamed by the Faith of the Seven and awaits her trial for regicide and incest. Even Grand Maester Pycelle has abandoned her, and called her uncle, Ser Kevan Lannister, to rule as the new Hand of the King. Even though Cersei has been released to their custody, her inept leadership nearly destroyed House Lannister's hold on the throne and they have no intention of ever letting her wield power again. Kevan and Pycelle must attempt to mend the damage Cersei did to the Lannister-Tyrell alliance. The Lannisters and Tyrells on Kevan's Small Council maintain a shaky truce as they attempt to deal with the ongoing debt crisis to the Iron Bank of Braavos, as well as the rise of the fanatical Faith Militant due to Cersei's blunders. Cersei meanwhile, though seemingly humbled, still has a few schemes she will attempt to play to regain control. In the North, the Boltons have triumphed over King Stannis — but in the distraction, Sansa Stark and Theon Greyjoy have escaped, desperately jumping off Winterfell's castle walls. Brienne of Tarth, who executed Stannis, must now deal with the consequences of putting her vow to avenge King Renly before her oath to protect Sansa.In the Riverlands, after the Red Wedding the remaining Tully forces (who were not present at the massacre of their Northern allies) pulled back to Riverrun castle - where they have been hopelessly besieged by House Frey's army ever since. The garrison is under the command of Robb Stark's great-uncle Brynden "The Blackfish" Tully, and is the last bastion of Robb's short-lived independent kingdom that remains unconquered. Riverrun's garrison may be surrounded and alone, fighting for a dead king, but their defenses are formidable, they have enough food supplies to last for years, and their commander is one of the most experienced and skilled generals in Westeros. The Lannisters and their Frey allies cannot let the siege of Riverrun continue to drag on if they are ever to claim real control over central Westeros. In Dorne, Ellaria Sand's poisoning of Cersei's daughter, the Princess Myrcella, may now force Doran Martell into the war against the Iron Throne he has been fervently trying to avoid.Across the Narrow Sea, in the Free City of Braavos, Arya Stark killed Meryn Trant without the Faceless Men's permission — but without the proper training, the use of one of their masks has poisoned her and rendered her blind. Her training continues, as now the blind little girl must learn to rely on her other senses to survive. In Slaver's Bay, Daenerys Targaryen's attempt to liberate Meereen has resulted in massive bloodshed, with the former slave masters conspiring to retake the city. In a large scale ambush on the opening day of the games in Daznak's Pit however, Daenerys climbed onto Drogon's back to try to escape the danger — but she could not make him return to the city. Instead, the young dragon flew north to the southern border of the Dothraki Sea, the lands of his birth, where the stranded Daenerys has been surrounded by a hostile Dothraki khalasar numbering in the thousands. Jorah Mormont and Daario Naharis have set out to search for her. Meanwhile, back in the city Daenerys's advisors Tyrion Lannister, Missandei, and Grey Worm are joined by Varys in attempting to hold together rule over the city wracked by the ongoing insurgency until Daenerys returns — if she returns at all. At the Wall, Lord Commander Jon Snow attempted to prepare for the coming of the White Walkers by letting as many wildlings through to the south as he could — but tens of thousands more were killed and resurrected as undead wights at Hardhome. The leading Night's Watch officers, increasingly upset at Jon's proposed alliance with the wildlings, have staged a mutiny "for the Watch" and stabbed Jon multiple times until he fell. Just before the mutiny against Jon Snow, he sent away Samwell Tarly to go to the Citadel in Oldtown in order to train to be a new maester to replace Maester Aemon after his passing. Samwell takes Gilly and her young son with him, rather than leave them in the path of the White Walkers. Oldtown, Westeros's second largest city, is located in the southwest of the Reach, not far away from Sam's former home, the House Tarly castle-seat at Horn Hill. Samwell and Gilly, however, face a long and difficult sea voyage before they get to the Citadel.Distracted by the political intrigues in King's Landing, the exhausted lords of Westeros must now brace for the rise of the kraken — the ironborn led by House Greyjoy. Early in the War of the Five Kings, Balon Greyjoy declared the Iron Islands' independence and raided the North while the Stark's army was fighting in the south. Ha ving remained relatively uninvolved ever since, the ironborn's massive fleet remains at full strength, a fact lost on the major powers of the mainland, who have been nearly exhausted fighting each other.All of this changes with the sudden return of Balon's exiled younger brother Euron Greyjoy — cunning, ruthless, manipulative, and more than a little insane, he strikes fear even into the other ironborn. He pushes for the ironborn to launch massive new offensives against the other kingdoms, not simply to raid, but to hold and conquer territory, as Euron's ultimate ambition is nothing less than to conquer all of the Seven Kingdoms. He is opposed by Balon's daughter Yara Greyjoy, who urges that the Iron Islands must preserve their strength and engage in diplomacy with the mainland if they are to survive.And as the winds of winter begin to sweep through the south, far Beyond the Wall the young Bran Stark has been staying with the last of the Children of the Forest and his new mentor, the Three-eyed raven, in order to hone his abilities. Bran will not walk again, but he has learned to fly. Sorry, that's just a dick named The Dragon Demands writing a plot for Season 6 basing everything on the books. He doesn't know more than us, it's more likely that we know more than him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 16:23:07 GMT
Apologies for being away for so long but it's about time to get back into Thrones so I thought I'd ask about one of the plotlines I'm unsure of. If this has been discussed, apologies again, but is there a general consensus on what Theon and Yara are up to? We know the Kingsmoot is happening and Theon will be linked up with Yara there. I'm not sure how Theon gets himself to the Iron Islands but I'm sure this will be accomplished with not much explanation after he's separated from Sansa. But after the Kingsmoot, I take it it's believed that Yara will be dispatched in the Victarion role to go to Dany. Is Theon tagging along with her or will he stay with Euron so that we get a known POV to follow a new character? My guess from the books is that after Stannis kicks it, Theon and Asha will end up back in the Iron Islands and there will be some eventual leadership struggle with Theon reclaiming his birthright (or sacrificing himself for Asha). I think the show will get us all there eventually too which bodes well for both of them surviving the season. If they do ship Yara out to Essos to link up with Dany, it makes me curious as to what Victarion's purpose in the books is as it is mostly assumed he's simply there to deliver the Iron fleet to Dany (whereas on the show, she already has a navy waiting for her in Meereen). Maybe there needs to be a Greyjoy link for Dany that becomes more important later on. Or maybe they just need to find something for Yara to do for a season while other plotlines are catching up, it wouldn't be the first time for that. I'd very much like Theon to be by Yara's side all season because I think the show has done a good job of building their chemistry and bond but I suspect he won't be for long. According to rumours they'll end up in Volantis at some point.
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