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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 3:21:22 GMT
Didn't Javi say that the burning bodies belonged to characters who were still alive by the end of season 5? So it can't be Stannis. He said that one of them was a character that was still alive at the end of s5 and still alive in the books. I think that left room for one of them to be someone already dead. But who knows. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 3:21:59 GMT
Sansa becoming QITN at the end of Season 6 would be way too fast anyway. Well, yes. But i don't think there's going to be much time for her to be Queen of anything. The walkers are coming, they need a military leader right now and Sansa is not equipped to do that. I do think she will help by running winterfell in the mean time before the walkers come and probably during. Maybe when the true war is over she will rule winterfell. But that's like...season 8 at this point. Also i really do think that's Roose bolton on that cross. There must be two parts to snowbowl, after the wildlings attack, lead by Tormund the Boltons are seriously impacted. Roose senses the northern lords are still not completely loyal, either by talking with littlfinger or his own spies around the castle. He sends littlefinger to send a message to the northern army that they want to make a deal. When jon and sansa say no littlefinger delivers the news back. Roose knows he is outnumbered and makes plans to head back to the dreadfort. Ramsay doesn't agree and kills him (and maybe littlefinger as well), and skins them alive for everyone to see. This causes disarray in the walls. Then in the final battle northern lords + jon's army + remaining wildlings fight and win against ramsay. Yeah I think you're right. S7 will likely be focused on Jon and Sansa trying to run Winterfell, preparing for the WW invasion, and seeking help from the Southern Houses. So maybe it's possible that Sansa will rule Winterfell when the true war is over at the end of S8. Anyway, I thought Sansa and LF ride into the battlefield at the end of Snowbowl with the KotV when Jon's army is falling in numbers and Ramsay's is purely exhausted. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 3:23:57 GMT
Well, yes. But i don't think there's going to be much time for her to be Queen of anything. The walkers are coming, they need a military leader right now and Sansa is not equipped to do that. I do think she will help by running winterfell in the mean time before the walkers come and probably during. Maybe when the true war is over she will rule winterfell. But that's like...season 8 at this point. Also i really do think that's Roose bolton on that cross. There must be two parts to snowbowl, after the wildlings attack, lead by Tormund the Boltons are seriously impacted. Roose senses the northern lords are still not completely loyal, either by talking with littlfinger or his own spies around the castle. He sends littlefinger to send a message to the northern army that they want to make a deal. When jon and sansa say no littlefinger delivers the news back. Roose knows he is outnumbered and makes plans to head back to the dreadfort. Ramsay doesn't agree and kills him (and maybe littlefinger as well), and skins them alive for everyone to see. This causes disarray in the walls. Then in the final battle northern lords + jon's army + remaining wildlings fight and win against ramsay. Yeah I think you're right. S7 will likely be focused on Jon and Sansa trying to run Winterfell, preparing for the WW invasion, and seeking help from the Southern Houses. So maybe it's possible that Sansa will rule Winterfell when the true war is over at the end of S8. Anyway, I thought Sansa and LF ride into the battlefield at the end of Snowbowl with the KotV when Jon's army is falling in numbers and Ramsay's is purely exhausted. That's if the redditor is to be believed and she and LF reunite before the Snowbowl of course. I'm not sure about that myself. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 3:30:27 GMT
Yeah I think you're right. S7 will likely be focused on Jon and Sansa trying to run Winterfell, preparing for the WW invasion, and seeking help from the Southern Houses. So maybe it's possible that Sansa will rule Winterfell when the true war is over at the end of S8. Anyway, I thought Sansa and LF ride into the battlefield at the end of Snowbowl with the KotV when Jon's army is falling in numbers and Ramsay's is purely exhausted. That's if the redditor is to be believed and she and LF reunite before the Snowbowl of course. I'm not sure about that myself. Alright, now I'm lost.  Didn't we receive spoilers that Sansa and LF ride to the battlefield? |
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Post by Belle on Mar 13, 2016 3:33:53 GMT
Sansa becoming QITN at the end of Season 6 would be way too fast anyway. Well, yes. But i don't think there's going to be much time for her to be Queen of anything. The walkers are coming, they need a military leader right now and Sansa is not equipped to do that. I do think she will help by running winterfell in the mean time before the walkers come and probably during. Maybe when the true war is over she will rule winterfell. But that's like...season 8 at this point. Also i really do think that's Roose bolton on that cross. There must be two parts to snowbowl, after the wildlings attack, lead by Tormund the Boltons are seriously impacted. Roose senses the northern lords are still not completely loyal, either by talking with littlfinger or his own spies around the castle. He sends littlefinger to send a message to the northern army that they want to make a deal. When jon and sansa say no littlefinger delivers the news back. Roose knows he is outnumbered and makes plans to head back to the dreadfort. Ramsay doesn't agree and kills him (and maybe littlefinger as well), and skins them alive for everyone to see. This causes disarray in the walls. Then in the final battle northern lords + jon's army + remaining wildlings fight and win against ramsay. Belle i'm not sure, i always thought bran would be staying in the cave. now that we know thats not true- or at least that he temporarily leaves- he could go back to winterfell eventually. I still don't think any of them will go back to being kings or queens it just won't seem right to me. why did you think Bran would always stay in the cave? imo its pretty obvious that Arya and Bran's AFFC/ADWD arc was all about them going through their hero's journey of them learning their skills and becoming more powerful in order to fulfill their heroic deeds in the future. Bran's ACOK arc is heavily about him learning how to govern Winterfell and the show has also put emphasis on Sansa learning that Bran and Rickon are still alive. I think it would be very satisfying if Bran ends up rebuilding and governing Winterfell. on the other hand, Sansa becoming QITN or whatever wouldn't be satisfying at all imo as her arc started with her wanting to be queen and being really wide-eyed about the court life and the glamour of it all and then becoming less and less naive and shallow and classist as her story goes on. She's now being groomed and used by LF so he further his own goals. So Sansa getting some kind of political position and eating lemoncakes while walking on corpses of all those who wronged are just blegh to me. Honestly Sansa running away with Sandor and living w/him peacefully would be more satisfying imo. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 3:34:49 GMT
That's if the redditor is to be believed and she and LF reunite before the Snowbowl of course. I'm not sure about that myself. Alright, now I'm lost. Didn't we receive spoilers that Sansa and LF ride to the battlefield? That they're both there, yeah, but I don't think it was ever specified that they showed up there together exactly. There's a chance of that for sure and that's what that redditor said, but I can think of at least two or three other possibilities for how the each of them get there. The point being there's a lot of groundwork and leadup to the Snowbowl that we know next to nothing about. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 13, 2016 3:34:58 GMT
I wonder if and when Sansa will ever kill LF in the show. I think Sansa's season 6 arc will end with her separating from Jon and going with LF somewhere.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 3:48:52 GMT
I wonder if and when Sansa will ever kill LF in the show. I think that'll be in s7 at some point. I imagine Royce will play a part in how she outmaneuvers him too. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 13, 2016 3:56:09 GMT
I wonder if and when Sansa will ever kill LF in the show. I think that'll be in s7 at some point. I imagine Royce will play a part in how she outmaneuvers him too. Littlefinger is definitely an ep 9 or 10 kind of death. so s7ep9 or s7ep10 could be decent guesses for his death. and if Cersei dies at KL those two eps could be good guesses for her death too. how crazy would it be if LF and Cersei died in the same eps or back to back eps? the fandom would explode lol. of course i now think there's a possibility that Cersei goes to CR, so Cersei's death could be till Season 8 |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 4:22:00 GMT
Yeah I think you're right. S7 will likely be focused on Jon and Sansa trying to run Winterfell, preparing for the WW invasion, and seeking help from the Southern Houses. So maybe it's possible that Sansa will rule Winterfell when the true war is over at the end of S8. Anyway, I thought Sansa and LF ride into the battlefield at the end of Snowbowl with the KotV when Jon's army is falling in numbers and Ramsay's is purely exhausted. I don't want LF to ride beside Sansa. He betrayed her, left her at winterfell alone AND went and told Cersei all about it. If she trusts him again i will be very disappointed. I can see her ordering Royce to behead him and adding the Vale army to the North's. But riding beside LF might make me puke- but you're right, its likely to happen  Belle i'm not sure, i always thought bran would be staying in the cave. now that we know thats not true- or at least that he temporarily leaves- he could go back to winterfell eventually. I still don't think any of them will go back to being kings or queens it just won't seem right to me. why did you think Bran would always stay in the cave? imo its pretty obvious that Arya and Bran's AFFC/ADWD arc was all about them going through their hero's journey of them learning their skills and becoming more powerful in order to fulfill their heroic deeds in the future. Bran's ACOK arc is heavily about him learning how to govern Winterfell and the show has also put emphasis on Sansa learning that Bran and Rickon are still alive. I think it would be very satisfying if Bran ends up rebuilding and governing Winterfell. on the other hand, Sansa becoming QITN or whatever wouldn't be satisfying at all imo as her arc started with her wanting to be queen and being really wide-eyed about the court life and the glamour of it all and then becoming less and less naive and shallow and classist as her story goes on. She's now being groomed and used by LF so he further his own goals. So Sansa getting some kind of political position and eating lemoncakes while walking on corpses of all those who wronged are just blegh to me. Honestly Sansa running away with Sandor and living w/him peacefully would be more satisfying imo. Well i thought Bran's arc was building him up to be some big hero, and i thought he would be most useful using his greenseer abilities to help the war against the walkers in the cave. Even though bran was lord in winterfell in ACOK, he always wanted to be a knight, in other words- to do brave deeds and save the day or sacrifice himself for the good of others. And i think he knows he can do the most good by learning everything he can from the weirnet, COTF and BR. I think Sansa still wants to be a lady of a house though. It's just who she is. But i agree that her goal won't be to be Queen again and she is learning how to play the game, i think most of the reason behind this is so that she doesn't get hurt again, she wants to protect herself. So i think a position of power is probably where she is heading. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 4:31:56 GMT
Yeah I think you're right. S7 will likely be focused on Jon and Sansa trying to run Winterfell, preparing for the WW invasion, and seeking help from the Southern Houses. So maybe it's possible that Sansa will rule Winterfell when the true war is over at the end of S8. Anyway, I thought Sansa and LF ride into the battlefield at the end of Snowbowl with the KotV when Jon's army is falling in numbers and Ramsay's is purely exhausted. I don't want LF to ride beside Sansa. He betrayed her, left her at winterfell alone AND went and told Cersei all about it. If she trusts him again i will be very disappointed. I can see her ordering Royce to behead him and adding the Vale army to the North's. But riding beside LF might make me puke- but you're right, its likely to happen I can't see Sansa trusting him again, especially after she's reunited with Jon, who will very likely hear about LF leaving her alone at Winterfell with the Boltons. She might pretend to trust LF for now and then end up killing him in S7. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 4:37:20 GMT
I don't want LF to ride beside Sansa. He betrayed her, left her at winterfell alone AND went and told Cersei all about it. If she trusts him again i will be very disappointed. I can see her ordering Royce to behead him and adding the Vale army to the North's. But riding beside LF might make me puke- but you're right, its likely to happen I can't see Sansa trusting him again, especially after she's reunited with Jon, who will very likely hear about LF leaving her alone at Winterfell with the Boltons. She might pretend to trust LF for now and then end up killing him in S7. Jon's very much like Ned, definitely not a political genius. So i think Sansa will be able to show him a few things in the politics department. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 4:50:10 GMT
I don't want LF to ride beside Sansa. He betrayed her, left her at winterfell alone AND went and told Cersei all about it. If she trusts him again i will be very disappointed. I can see her ordering Royce to behead him and adding the Vale army to the North's. But riding beside LF might make me puke- but you're right, its likely to happen I can't see Sansa trusting him again, especially after she's reunited with Jon, who will very likely hear about LF leaving her alone at Winterfell with the Boltons. She might pretend to trust LF for now and then end up killing him in S7. So long as he has some control over the Knights of the Vale he'll be kept alive, I imagine. But the way the show's set it up, the Valemen's trust in him is solely based on her testimony. Which can be quickly reversed if she cares to. For the sake of poetic justice I'd like it to be something to do with his Valyrian steel dagger that is his downfall. Either way, I don't see him surviving s7. |
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Post by Nezzer on Mar 13, 2016 5:02:19 GMT
I can't see Sansa trusting him again, especially after she's reunited with Jon, who will very likely hear about LF leaving her alone at Winterfell with the Boltons. She might pretend to trust LF for now and then end up killing him in S7. So long as he has some control over the Knights of the Vale he'll be kept alive, I imagine. But the way the show's set it up, the Valemen's trust in him is solely based on her testimony. Which can be quickly reversed if she cares to. For the sake of poetic justice I'd like it to be something to do with his Valyrian steel dagger that is his downfall. Either way, I don't see him surviving s7. Yeah, LF has to be killed by Sansa or Robin. Him dying at the hands of the Boltons would be very anticlimatic. |
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Post by boojam on Mar 13, 2016 10:32:34 GMT
No. They cannot kill Rickon.   Just. no. I'm gonna be so pissed if they kill of Rickon just so they can make Sansa QITN lol. You know George has said he would was influenced by Natalia Tena (back in season 1) to write Osha differently in the future. As much as he has said he is not influenced by the show he has never retracted the statement about Osha. So with Natalia and a way older Art back for S6 I am really curious what their story is. I hope it's not another drool story! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 13:16:13 GMT
So long as he has some control over the Knights of the Vale he'll be kept alive, I imagine. But the way the show's set it up, the Valemen's trust in him is solely based on her testimony. Which can be quickly reversed if she cares to. For the sake of poetic justice I'd like it to be something to do with his Valyrian steel dagger that is his downfall. Either way, I don't see him surviving s7. Yeah, LF has to be killed by Sansa or Robin. Him dying at the hands of the Boltons would be very anticlimatic. I wouldn't mind Roose flaying him tbh. But that's not going to happen anyway. |
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Post by kingeomer on Mar 13, 2016 13:40:12 GMT
The team banner I'm on. Because, seriously, enough Starks have died. Time for some other families to die off. I have a list if the show needs ideas.  The Starks have suffered enough. imo the tyrells need to GO. i feel pretty confident that loras will die in season 6, but its margaery that really needs to go. when she dies i will legit celebrate, i cant stand her lol Well, you might get your wish on the show with Loras since Finn Jones is going to be the Iron Fist  I'd say since the show cut out the older two Tyrell brothers (Willas and Garlan, much to GRRM's consternation)...if Loras dies, Margarey lives and if Margarey dies, Loras lives but I am guessing with Finn's new gig...should that happen...Loras will live off screen. About Sansa and her future...book and show. I always found the one thought of Jaime's to be striking...that Sansa Stark would be better off marrying a blacksmith and changing her name. For her own safety (given that in the book everyone thinks she's the last Stark alive). So I think in the books, she has to separate from Littlefinger at best and I think she will return to Winterfell and be instrumental in rebuilding it...whether she rules, I have no idea. Show wise...I will be curious to see how she interacts with LF this season if they do meet up because she should be pissed at him. But I won't be surprised if they have her being "QITN" assisted by Jon and holding it until it's Bran's time or something.But I guess all of that depends on what happens with KL and the eventual arrival of Dany and Co and how it all goes down in the North. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 13, 2016 14:13:04 GMT
imo the tyrells need to GO. i feel pretty confident that loras will die in season 6, but its margaery that really needs to go. when she dies i will legit celebrate, i cant stand her lol Well, you might get your wish on the show with Loras since Finn Jones is going to be the Iron Fist I'd say since the show cut out the older two Tyrell brothers (Willas and Garlan, much to GRRM's consternation)...if Loras dies, Margarey lives and if Margarey dies, Loras lives but I am guessing with Finn's new gig...should that happen...Loras will live off screen. About Sansa and her future...book and show. I always found the one thought of Jaime's to be striking...that Sansa Stark would be better off marrying a blacksmith and changing her name. For her own safety (given that in the book everyone thinks she's the last Stark alive). So I think in the books, she has to separate from Littlefinger at best and I think she will return to Winterfell and be instrumental in rebuilding it...whether she rules, I have no idea. Show wise...I will be curious to see how she interacts with LF this season if they do meet up because she should be pissed at him. But I won't be surprised if they have her being "QITN" assisted by Jon and holding it until it's Bran's time or something.But I guess all of that depends on what happens with KL and the eventual arrival of Dany and Co and how it all goes down in the North. yeah it's finn jones' netflix gig that convinced me that loras will die this season. i don't expect margaery to die this season unfortunately but a part of me still can't help but hope for it. |
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Post by Admin on Mar 13, 2016 15:31:12 GMT
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Post by Admin on Mar 13, 2016 15:32:11 GMT
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Didn't we receive spoilers that Sansa and LF ride to the battlefield?
The Starks have suffered enough.
I'd say since the show cut out the older two Tyrell brothers (Willas and Garlan, much to GRRM's consternation)...if Loras dies, Margarey lives and if Margarey dies, Loras lives but I am guessing with Finn's new gig...should that happen...Loras will live off screen.
