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Post by boojam on Mar 11, 2016 1:33:33 GMT
I think she's there at least until the midseason. IIRC WOTW reported a scene of her and Theon fleeing being chased by Euron's men, presumably after Euron is crowned. Where they might go after that I haven't the slightest. There was some rumour on ASOIAF reddit about them going to Volantis but I never put any stock in that one. Of all the mysteries that we have yet to reveal, the whereabouts of Yara and Theon after the Kingsmoot it is one that has given me more to think. I confess I'm utterly puzzled, but so far I'd say that Volantis sounds like the likeliest place, based on the trailer, the rumours and the fact that we know that Volantis is back this season. Obviously, they would fill Victarion's role in some form, as we know there is some kind of Siege in Meereen this season. After the Kingsmoot, and realizing the true danger that Euron represents for the whole world, maybe Theon and Yara decide that they will need Dany to stop him. But... how could they convince Dany to join them? She couldn't care less about the Ironborn. Afff... My head is spinning. I just give up. I'll wait and see. I wonder about that too. We have those chapters from Winds which have some pretty heavy involvement at Meereen with the Iron Fleet. How to crank that around to Yara and Theon is mysterious. Also its odd and non book that Yara(Asha) would have to break away on her own since she does have book-wise a hard core crew of followers. So I don't know how that all works out. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 11, 2016 1:37:48 GMT
eh, Dany/Irri was through Dany's POV though and at least showed an aspect of Dany's character and emotions. Same with the Cersei/Taena scene. with this, D&D decided to take a straight woman from the books whose sexuality was actually important for her arc and character. and just have her makeout with (what looks like) a prostitute in a brothel. why exactly?????? there's no other way at looking at it. i'm not "outraged" or anything but it does make me roll my eyes. also not a fan of cersei sexually manipulating jaime after the walk of shame. really undermines that whole scene. I agree with you that it seems very unnecessary, but I prefer to wait and see how the Yara and the girl stuff is represented before making any judgement. But I must say that I found the Cersei/Taene scene very cringeworthy... Myrish swamp, anyone? i'm waiting and seeing too. that's why i'm not pissed off yet lol. but D&D just don't have a good track record with this stuff. and if they actually cared about having lesbian representation then they would have included cersei/taena imo as cersei/taena's relationship is actually quite complex even if cersei isn't a lesbian. yeah the myrish swamp was bizarre. i was shipping them before that scene happened too lol. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 11, 2016 1:39:40 GMT
People would say that anyways.  No more so than with Ellaria in s4 though. And that's certainly something GrrM is guilty of too with his Dany-Irri scene. eh, Dany/Irri was through Dany's POV though and at least showed an aspect of Dany's character and emotions. Same with the Cersei/Taena scene. with this, D&D decided to take a straight woman from the books whose sexuality was actually important for her arc and character. and just have her makeout with (what looks like) a prostitute in a brothel. why exactly?????? there's no other way at looking at it. i'm not "outraged" or anything but it does make me roll my eyes. also not a fan of cersei sexually manipulating jaime after the walk of shame. really undermines that whole scene. How could you possibly know whether or not Cersei is manipulating Jaime? We got a split second shot of her kissing him. Literally nothing to suggest that one way or the other. While I also believe that may be what's happening, don't state it as a fact to undermine the show. Besides we don't know how book Cersei acts after the walk either. She might go back to her promiscuous ways as well. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 1:43:25 GMT
Eh, did anyone seriously expect Cersei to be celibate now?  |
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Post by Belle on Mar 11, 2016 1:54:52 GMT
Eh, did anyone seriously expect Cersei to be celibate now? lol its not about celibacy, its that cersei usually uses sex to manipulate and now that she has robert strong she doesn't need to do that anymore. i will honestly be shocked if there's any cersei sex scenes in TWOW/ADOS. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 1:57:52 GMT
Eh, did anyone seriously expect Cersei to be celibate now? lol its not about celibacy, its that cersei usually uses sex to manipulate and now that she has robert strong she doesn't need to do that anymore. i will honestly be shocked if there's any cersei sex scenes in TWOW/ADOS What is or is not in TWOW/ADOS is simply irrelevant for the show. Besides that, I'm not sure if she's manipulating Jaime to begin with. I think she still has feelings for him. And even if she's manipulating him, there are things that Jaime can get done that Robert Strong simply can't. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 11, 2016 2:09:02 GMT
lol its not about celibacy, its that cersei usually uses sex to manipulate and now that she has robert strong she doesn't need to do that anymore. i will honestly be shocked if there's any cersei sex scenes in TWOW/ADOS What is or is not in TWOW/ADOS is simply irrelevant for the show. Besides that, I'm not sure if she's manipulating Jaime to begin with. I think she still has feelings for him. And even if she's manipulating him, there are things that Jaime can get done that Robert Strong simply can't. i do understand that the book and show are different entities at this point. but imo it still doesn't fit with show logic bc of the WOS. you're right, its true that she could be be having sex with him but i would say thats like 5% compared to the 95% of it being manipulation. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 2:14:59 GMT
What is or is not in TWOW/ADOS is simply irrelevant for the show. Besides that, I'm not sure if she's manipulating Jaime to begin with. I think she still has feelings for him. And even if she's manipulating him, there are things that Jaime can get done that Robert Strong simply can't. i do understand that the book and show are different entities at this point. but imo it still doesn't fit with show logic bc of the WOS. you're right, its true that she could be be having sex with him but i would say thats like 5% compared to the 95% of it being manipulation. I honestly don't see any relation between WoS and Cersei having sex (even for manipulation) with Jaime. At no point did I get the impression that Cersei agreed to or understood the accusations of the High Sparrow. In the context of the show it is pretty obvious that she wants revenge for the humiliation she received because of the WoS. In no way is she truly repented. If anything, she will be even "worse" post WoS, because she's that proud. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 11, 2016 2:21:53 GMT
i do understand that the book and show are different entities at this point. but imo it still doesn't fit with show logic bc of the WOS. you're right, its true that she could be be having sex with him but i would say thats like 5% compared to the 95% of it being manipulation. I honestly don't see any relation between WoS and Cersei having sex (even for manipulation) with Jaime. At no point did I get the impression that Cersei agreed to or understood the accusations of the High Sparrow. In the context of the show it is pretty obvious that she wants revenge for the humiliation she received because of the WoS. In no way is she truly repented. If anything, she will be even "worse" post WoS, because she's that proud. i guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree here. but the entire point of the WOS is to strip Cersei of her sexuality. a queen who has been seen naked by the entirety of the city and has had shit thrown at her can't use sex as a currency anymore. furthermore, while cersei's isn't broken and she's definitely going to get more unhinged doesn't mean she's still not fucked up by the experience. its pretty obvious in both the books and show that she's hurt and traumatized. idk i'll wait and see i guess, but i'm pretty tired of the show not really showing the true repercussions from the abuse that so many of the women experience. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 2:29:05 GMT
I honestly don't see any relation between WoS and Cersei having sex (even for manipulation) with Jaime. At no point did I get the impression that Cersei agreed to or understood the accusations of the High Sparrow. In the context of the show it is pretty obvious that she wants revenge for the humiliation she received because of the WoS. In no way is she truly repented. If anything, she will be even "worse" post WoS, because she's that proud. i guess we're gonna have to agree to disagree here. but the entire point of the WOS is to strip Cersei of her sexuality. a queen who has been seen naked by the entirety of the city and has had shit thrown at her can't use sex as a currency anymore. furthermore, while cersei's isn't broken and she's definitely going to get more unhinged doesn't mean she's still not fucked up by the experience. its pretty obvious in both the books and show that she's hurt and traumatized. idk i'll wait and see i guess, but i'm pretty tired of the show not really showing the true repercussions from the abuse that so many of the women experience. Well, I do think Cersei is traumatized and hurt. I just don't think that every person (I say person because this has nothing to do with gender IMO) reacts the same way to abuse. I think her reaction will be aggression instead of depression. "I choose violence" supports that. |
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Post by morgantayler on Mar 11, 2016 3:02:36 GMT
Someone try to find some crazy person who isn't afraid to talk about it lol
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Post by freeparking on Mar 11, 2016 3:06:38 GMT
They really need to include Qyburn experimenting on people on Cersei's orders. That she is even remotely sympathetic on the show is just such a fail They might include some experiments this year, but regardless, Cersei is more interesting this way for me rather than just being a raging loon. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Mar 11, 2016 3:08:35 GMT
Idk for me, Cersei is too far gone. No matter what they do to her, she's never gonna reevaluate her methods. She's set in her ways. Know what I mean?
I think the decision to have her become more sexual AFTER the Walk is interesting. It really shows how little she learned, and that she's really willing to play dirty to get back at the Faith.
Or maybe she's just having sex with Jaime because she loves him and we're all wrong lmfao.
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Post by morgantayler on Mar 11, 2016 3:12:23 GMT
Someone try to find some crazy person who isn't afraid to talk about it lol It took me a bit to try to get this to finally link the tweet but I've got it now. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 4:12:07 GMT
eh, Dany/Irri was through Dany's POV though and at least showed an aspect of Dany's character and emotions. Same with the Cersei/Taena scene. with this, D&D decided to take a straight woman from the books whose sexuality was actually important for her arc and character. and just have her makeout with (what looks like) a prostitute in a brothel. why exactly?????? there's no other way at looking at it. i'm not "outraged" or anything but it does make me roll my eyes. also not a fan of cersei sexually manipulating jaime after the walk of shame. really undermines that whole scene. I agree with you that it seems very unnecessary, but I prefer to wait and see how the Yara and the girl stuff is represented before making any judgement. But I must say that I found the Cersei/Taene scene very cringeworthy... Myrish swamp, anyone? I don't think that scene was anything more than poor George's fantasy. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 11, 2016 4:16:27 GMT
Idk for me, Cersei is too far gone. No matter what they do to her, she's never gonna reevaluate her methods. She's set in her ways. Know what I mean? I think the decision to have her become more sexual AFTER the Walk is interesting. It really shows how little she learned, and that she's really willing to play dirty to get back at the Faith. Or maybe she's just having sex with Jaime because she loves him and we're all wrong lmfao. its not about "reevaluating her methods". its about it just being unrealistic for her to use sex as a weapon now. anyways a character not changing at all after something so huge is just boring. i'm willing to put good money on the notion that cersei will never use sex as weapon in the books again. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 4:16:28 GMT
I don't think Cersei ever truly loved Jaime. She only saw him as her other half.
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Post by freeparking on Mar 11, 2016 4:22:00 GMT
People would say that anyways. No more so than with Ellaria in s4 though. And that's certainly something GrrM is guilty of too with his Dany-Irri scene. eh, Dany/Irri was through Dany's POV though and at least showed an aspect of Dany's character and emotions. Same with the Cersei/Taena scene. with this, D&D decided to take a straight woman from the books whose sexuality was actually important for her arc and character. and just have her makeout with (what looks like) a prostitute in a brothel. why exactly?????? there's no other way at looking at it. i'm not "outraged" or anything but it does make me roll my eyes. also not a fan of cersei sexually manipulating jaime after the walk of shame. really undermines that whole scene. What did the Dany/Irri scene show us? That Dany misses having sex? Fine, but I don't know why we needed a fingerbang scene for that. I don't recall anyone ever saying "Thank god for that bit between Dany and Irri, otherwise I don't know why she'd be interested in Daaro." I don't remember Dany ever reflecting on that scene again. The Cersei and Taena scene was more interesting but again unnecessary. She was already mirroring Robert in the drinking, in getting fatter, in being promiscuous (sort of). Did we need to see her try to get joy out of raping Taena? No. Now them being unnecessary is fine. Not every little thing in a story needs to be necessary. But there is an issue when I compare it to the other gender. We have Loras and Jon Con, one of whom is a POV, and yet we have significant numbers of people who can miss that these two characters are gay. I think there is a problem when we have two explicit sex scenes through the POVs of straight women, while there are only mostly subtle allusions to being homosexual for the two gay men. Heck, in the Night's Watch, the closest we get is some no-name being very emotional about another no-name dying. I am not counting Satin because we don't really know what his sexuality is. The problem is that it promotes the status quo in (male) society: That lesbianism is more acceptable and is exciting to see, but gay sex between men is gross. I am not claiming GRRM is a homophobe, mind you, but it is disappointing seeing people defend these scenes in the books. People complain about not being equal opportunity in the show, but I am not seeing it in the books. I also dispute that Asha's sexuality is important. Yes, we got a sex scene between her and Qarl, but has that led anywhere? Has it mattered? If you cut that out, does it affect anything? It might matter in the future, but thus far, I am not seeing what difference it makes. Sorry about posting all of that, but the Yara/whoever scene in the trailer kicked up a lot of the same arguments I saw you make. I felt the need to put my thoughts down somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2016 4:27:57 GMT
eh, Dany/Irri was through Dany's POV though and at least showed an aspect of Dany's character and emotions. Same with the Cersei/Taena scene. with this, D&D decided to take a straight woman from the books whose sexuality was actually important for her arc and character. and just have her makeout with (what looks like) a prostitute in a brothel. why exactly?????? there's no other way at looking at it. i'm not "outraged" or anything but it does make me roll my eyes. also not a fan of cersei sexually manipulating jaime after the walk of shame. really undermines that whole scene. What did the Dany/Irri scene show us? That Dany misses having sex? Fine, but I don't know why we needed a fingerbang scene for that. I don't recall anyone ever saying "Thank god for that bit between Dany and Irri, otherwise I don't know why she'd be interested in Daaro." I don't remember Dany ever reflecting on that scene again. The Cersei and Taena scene was more interesting but again unnecessary. She was already mirroring Robert in the drinking, in getting fatter, in being promiscuous (sort of). Did we need to see her try to get joy out of raping Taena? No. Now them being unnecessary is fine. Not every little thing in a story needs to be necessary. But there is an issue when I compare it to the other gender. We have Loras and Jon Con, one of whom is a POV, and yet we have significant numbers of people who can miss that these two characters are gay. I think there is a problem when we have two explicit sex scenes through the POVs of straight women, while there are only mostly subtle allusions to being homosexual for the two gay men. Heck, in the Night's Watch, the closest we get is some no-name being very emotional about another no-name dying. I am not counting Satin because we don't really know what his sexuality is. The problem is that it promotes the status quo in (male) society: That lesbianism is more acceptable and is exciting to see, but gay sex between men is gross. I am not claiming GRRM is a homophobe, mind you, but it is disappointing seeing people defend these scenes in the books. People complain about not being equal opportunity in the show, but I am not seeing it in the books. I also dispute that Asha's sexuality is important. Yes, we got a sex scene between her and Qarl, but has that led anywhere? Has it mattered? If you cut that out, does it affect anything? It might matter in the future, but thus far, I am not seeing what difference it makes. Sorry about posting all of that, but the Yara/whoever scene in the trailer kicked up a lot of the same arguments I saw you make. I felt the need to put my thoughts down somewhere. This may seem unfair, but I think there're no gay sex scenes in the books because GRRM as a straight man doesn't want to write gay sex scenes, while writing lesbian scenes is ok for him. |
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Post by Belle on Mar 11, 2016 4:33:32 GMT
I don't think Cersei ever truly loved Jaime. She only saw him as her other half. i think book cersei loved him and still does love him but that love obviously isn't ideal and unhealthy. but at the same time i dont think jaime's love for cersei was ever ideal or healthy either. #unpopular opinion freeparking i'll write you a response tomorrow, i have to sleep now lol |
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No more so than with Ellaria in s4 though. And that's certainly something GrrM is guilty of too with his Dany-Irri scene.
