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Post by archiechvyalthan on Mar 3, 2016 18:26:55 GMT
I think the premise of this scenario may be flawed. If Brienne finds Sansa in episode 1, then there will be no consequences to straying from her mission in 510. The scene of her killing Stannis becomes gratuitous. And in the pictures Sansa and Theon look to be alone, and Brienne back at the inn. I think Brienne will save Sansa without actually finding her, ie. by killing the Bolton hunters. But I admit this alternative scenario raises other questions - why does Brienne go south? I do think Jaime will end up at Winterfell in the finale. Assuming that they still want to do a similar scenario to what is in the books, including a Brienne/Jaime conflict, then someone will need to give Brienne her mission to "abduct" Jaime. So if it's not LSH, I think Sansa is a very good guess. But I agree with you. There should be some kind of consequence to Brienne's decision in 5x10... Cersei is insane - for all we know Jaime's mission this season is to go to Winterfell and sort things out, and Riverrun is only a stop on the way. If this is the case, Jaime wouldn't need to be abducted. He'd just be chasing Brienne and the Blackfish all the way north. And then UnJon or Sansa get him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 18:37:49 GMT
I think it was lukanieto . A majority of it aligns with my predictions as well, I'm just not sure that Brienne, Pod, and Jaime would be in Winterfell in the finale straight after Snowbowl. Wouldn't Jon and Sansa be dealing with the aftermath, and meeting with the Northern Lords to prepare for the WW invasion?
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Post by Zadeth on Mar 3, 2016 18:41:48 GMT
Ian McShane saying he plays the leader of a cult of "peaceful people" Small update: Ian McShane explicitly confirms his character nurses The Hound back to life. D&D won't be happy about this I A M S O F U C K I N G H Y P E D.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 18:46:58 GMT
I think it was lukanieto . A majority of it aligns with my predictions as well, I'm just not sure that Brienne, Pod, and Jaime would be in Winterfell in the finale straight after Snowbowl. Wouldn't Jon and Sansa be dealing with the aftermath, and meeting with the Northern Lords to prepare for the WW invasion? I don't buy the timing of that myself either. All we know is that Jaime won't be at Riverrun at the end of the season. But I think that's because he'll be at the Twins or elsewhere in the Riverlands, not in the north. There'll be enough to tie up up there to fit that in.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 18:47:59 GMT
And btw at McShane spelling out exactly who he's playing. The man does not mince words and I doubt HBO will even scold him over this. Because you don't fuck with Swearengen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:01:01 GMT
I think it was lukanieto . A majority of it aligns with my predictions as well, I'm just not sure that Brienne, Pod, and Jaime would be in Winterfell in the finale straight after Snowbowl. Wouldn't Jon and Sansa be dealing with the aftermath, and meeting with the Northern Lords to prepare for the WW invasion? I don't buy the timing of that myself either. All we know is that Jaime won't be at Riverrun at the end of the season. But I think that's because he'll be at the Twins or elsewhere in the Riverlands, not in the north. There'll be enough to tie up up there to fit that in. I'm entirely fucking lost on what they're doing thinking about all of this. I guess Jaime being at the Twins could be for Walder Frey's Wedding to celebrate their victory of taking Riverrun, but then there's the Red Wedding 2.0 theory and I don't think Jaime would be there for that. So after the siege of Riverrun, maybe it's possible that Jaime goes after Brienne and they're captured by the Outlaws. Then you have Meribald/Elder Brother and Sandor, which opens up the door for Cleganebowl, but if Cersei's Trial by Combat is Gregor vs. The Faith's Seven Champions instead of Cleganebowl, that would allow for Jaime and Sandor to meet sometime in the Riverlands in early S7 and go back to King's Landing together to face their siblings.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:08:17 GMT
I don't buy the timing of that myself either. All we know is that Jaime won't be at Riverrun at the end of the season. But I think that's because he'll be at the Twins or elsewhere in the Riverlands, not in the north. There'll be enough to tie up up there to fit that in. I'm entirely fucking lost on what they're doing thinking about all of this. I guess Jaime being at the Twins could be for Walder Frey's Wedding to celebrate their victory of taking Riverrun, but then there's the Red Wedding 2.0 theory and I don't think Jaime would be there for that. So after the siege of Riverrun, maybe it's possible that Jaime goes after Brienne and they're captured by the Outlaws. Then you have Meribald/Elder Brother and Sandor, which opens up the door for Cleganebowl, but if Cersei's Trial by Combat is Gregor vs. The Faith's Seven Champions instead of Cleganebowl, that would allow for Jaime and Sandor to meet sometime in the Riverlands in early S7 and go back to King's Landing together to face their siblings. Well, you know what I think about the Cleganebowl. I think the Hound and Jaime will eventually both return to KL to face their siblings but it will be well after Cersei wins her trial and Robert Strong kills either Loras, Lancel or both in combat instead.
As for Jaime and Brienne now and how they'll end the season it could be in any number of ways. We don't really have enough shooting info for me to make any guess beyond it involving the players we already know are in the Riverlands, the Blackfish and the BWB. But WF will be way too busy in the finale to include them showing up. I imagine we'll get Sansa talking to LF, potentially Ramsay's death if that's not in 609, Jon in the Crpyts, Mel on the WF walls and a whole host of other necessary denouement sort of scenes. Bringing Jaime and Bri up there would be too big an event to fit into the finale imho, especially when it seems like there's setup for them to act out some incarnation of their TWOW Riverlands material. If either of them runs into a Stark again, it'll be Arya.
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Post by Belle on Mar 3, 2016 19:12:11 GMT
I'm not sure if I believe in the rumor that Jaime won't be at the Riverrun at the end of the season.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:15:23 GMT
I'm entirely fucking lost on what they're doing thinking about all of this. I guess Jaime being at the Twins could be for Walder Frey's Wedding to celebrate their victory of taking Riverrun, but then there's the Red Wedding 2.0 theory and I don't think Jaime would be there for that. So after the siege of Riverrun, maybe it's possible that Jaime goes after Brienne and they're captured by the Outlaws. Then you have Meribald/Elder Brother and Sandor, which opens up the door for Cleganebowl, but if Cersei's Trial by Combat is Gregor vs. The Faith's Seven Champions instead of Cleganebowl, that would allow for Jaime and Sandor to meet sometime in the Riverlands in early S7 and go back to King's Landing together to face their siblings. Well, you know what I think about the Cleganebowl. I think the Hound and Jaime will eventually both return to KL to face their siblings but it will be well after Cersei wins her trial and Robert Strong kills either Loras, Lancel or both in combat instead.
As for Jaime and Brienne now and how they'll end the season it could be in any number of ways. We don't really have enough shooting info for me to make any guess beyond it involving the players we already know are in the Riverlands, the Blackfish and the BWB. But WF will be way too busy in the finale to include them showing up. I imagine we'll get Sansa talking to LF, potentially Ramsay's death if that's not in 609, Jon in the Crpyts, Mel on the WF walls and a whole host of other necessary denouement sort of scenes. Bringing Jaime and Bri up there would be too big an event to fit into the finale imho, especially when it seems like there's setup for them to act out some incarnation of their TWOW Riverlands material. If either of them runs into a Stark again, it'll be Arya.
It could end on that cliffhanger, though. I mean Brienne taking Jaime to WF, but we only see them arrive in S7.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:15:28 GMT
I'm not sure if I believe in the rumor that Jaime won't be at the Riverrun at the end of the season. That bit was from Javi from L7R who had access to some s6 storyboards via a source in NI. A lot of info reported on WOTW is because of that guy. So I buy it. What I don't buy is the jump that that then means he won't be in the Riverlands anymore at all, when the setup seems to point to him staying there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:16:55 GMT
Well, you know what I think about the Cleganebowl. I think the Hound and Jaime will eventually both return to KL to face their siblings but it will be well after Cersei wins her trial and Robert Strong kills either Loras, Lancel or both in combat instead.
As for Jaime and Brienne now and how they'll end the season it could be in any number of ways. We don't really have enough shooting info for me to make any guess beyond it involving the players we already know are in the Riverlands, the Blackfish and the BWB. But WF will be way too busy in the finale to include them showing up. I imagine we'll get Sansa talking to LF, potentially Ramsay's death if that's not in 609, Jon in the Crpyts, Mel on the WF walls and a whole host of other necessary denouement sort of scenes. Bringing Jaime and Bri up there would be too big an event to fit into the finale imho, especially when it seems like there's setup for them to act out some incarnation of their TWOW Riverlands material. If either of them runs into a Stark again, it'll be Arya.
It can end on that cliffhanger, though. I mean Brienne taking Jaime to WF, but we only see them arrive in S7. If there was evidence pointing towards this, I'd consider it. But it seems to me the setup is for them to stay in the Riverlands, where quite a few storylines seem to be meeting as well near the end of s6.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:19:49 GMT
I'm entirely fucking lost on what they're doing thinking about all of this. I guess Jaime being at the Twins could be for Walder Frey's Wedding to celebrate their victory of taking Riverrun, but then there's the Red Wedding 2.0 theory and I don't think Jaime would be there for that. So after the siege of Riverrun, maybe it's possible that Jaime goes after Brienne and they're captured by the Outlaws. Then you have Meribald/Elder Brother and Sandor, which opens up the door for Cleganebowl, but if Cersei's Trial by Combat is Gregor vs. The Faith's Seven Champions instead of Cleganebowl, that would allow for Jaime and Sandor to meet sometime in the Riverlands in early S7 and go back to King's Landing together to face their siblings. Well, you know what I think about the Cleganebowl. I think the Hound and Jaime will eventually both return to KL to face their siblings but it will be well after Cersei wins her trial and Robert Strong kills either Loras, Lancel or both in combat instead.
As for Jaime and Brienne now and how they'll end the season it could be in any number of ways. We don't really have enough shooting info for me to make any guess beyond it involving the players we already know are in the Riverlands, the Blackfish and the BWB. But WF will be way too busy in the finale to include them showing up. I imagine we'll get Sansa talking to LF, potentially Ramsay's death if that's not in 609, Jon in the Crpyts, Mel on the WF walls and a whole host of other necessary denouement sort of scenes. Bringing Jaime and Bri up there would be too big an event to fit into the finale imho, especially when it seems like there's setup for them to act out some incarnation of their TWOW Riverlands material. If either of them runs into a Stark again, it'll be Arya.
I agree. There's going to be too much going on in the North, especially with Jon and Sansa, for Jaime and Brienne to be up there right after Snowbowl happens. Also, if Jaime is arriving at Riverrun in 607, it would make sense for him to be in the Riverlands for more than a few episodes. Then again we were both in denial about Sansa going to Winterfell last season, saying that she would go to the Fingers instead, so prepare to be mind fucked.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 19:23:49 GMT
Well, you know what I think about the Cleganebowl. I think the Hound and Jaime will eventually both return to KL to face their siblings but it will be well after Cersei wins her trial and Robert Strong kills either Loras, Lancel or both in combat instead.
As for Jaime and Brienne now and how they'll end the season it could be in any number of ways. We don't really have enough shooting info for me to make any guess beyond it involving the players we already know are in the Riverlands, the Blackfish and the BWB. But WF will be way too busy in the finale to include them showing up. I imagine we'll get Sansa talking to LF, potentially Ramsay's death if that's not in 609, Jon in the Crpyts, Mel on the WF walls and a whole host of other necessary denouement sort of scenes. Bringing Jaime and Bri up there would be too big an event to fit into the finale imho, especially when it seems like there's setup for them to act out some incarnation of their TWOW Riverlands material. If either of them runs into a Stark again, it'll be Arya.
I agree. There's going to be too much going on in the North, especially with Jon and Sansa, for Jaime and Brienne to be up there right after Snowbowl happens. Also, if Jaime is arriving at Riverrun in 607, it would make sense for him to be in the Riverlands for more than a few episodes. Then again we were both in denial about Sansa going to Winterfell last season, saying that she would go to the Fingers instead, so prepare to be mind fucked. Though keep in mind there was absolutely no production info to support that at the time so everyone was spitballing about that storyline. I'd say this is example more like me trying to argue there was a chance that Jaime could still go to RR in s5 after Dorne. Which was something I did propose until shooting info proved me otherwise. The point being we know Jaime will be in RR until ep. 608. Which travel-time wise of course means it's possible he could go to any number of places. But my point is about the setup that seems to be at play here.
I wouldn't mind being wrong about this at all though. I just think screentime will be consolidated in the Riverlands at the end of s6 is all and that's best done by keeping the character who are there...there.
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Post by boojam on Mar 3, 2016 19:27:57 GMT
A couple of BIG meet ups there. Tho both sound reasonable. Yara in the North , near Winterfell, wonder how they explain that? That Sansa and Jon meet sounds possible too. That would be quite an emotional moment. If true that sequence of dialog would be most intriguing.
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Post by boojam on Mar 3, 2016 19:36:12 GMT
I agree. There's going to be too much going on in the North, especially with Jon and Sansa, for Jaime and Brienne to be up there right after Snowbowl happens. Also, if Jaime is arriving at Riverrun in 607, it would make sense for him to be in the Riverlands for more than a few episodes. Then again we were both in denial about Sansa going to Winterfell last season, saying that she would go to the Fingers instead, so prepare to be mind fucked. Though keep in mind there was absolutely no production info to support that at the time so everyone was spitballing about that storyline. I'd say this is example more like me trying to argue there was a chance that Jaime could still go to RR in s5 after Dorne. Which was something I did propose until shooting info proved me otherwise. The point being we know Jaime will be in RR until ep. 608. Which travel-time wise of course means it's possible he could go to any number of places. But my point is about the setup that seems to be at play here.
I wouldn't mind being wrong about this at all though. I just think screentime will be consolidated in the Riverlands at the end of s6 is all and that's best done by keeping the character who are there...there.
If the OthersWalkers are becoming more prominent in the story , how does this all fit together? Matters settled in Kings Landing by the end of S6? Then what? My guess has been that the OtherWalkers will 'breach' the Wall in E10? Maybe before with only a pitiful handful of Crows and a group of Wildlings to face them? With Dany on the way ? The confluence is all by season 8? What happens in season 7?
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Post by day dreamer on Mar 3, 2016 19:52:20 GMT
I really hope that isn't true, tbh. I don't want them giving any of Lady Stoneheart's story to Sansa. That's always been something I've been firmly against. Plus, that's a lot of teleporting for Jaime and Brienne.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 20:06:13 GMT
I really hope that isn't true, tbh. I don't want them giving any of Lady Stoneheart's story to Sansa. That's always been something I've been firmly against. Plus, that's a lot of teleporting for Jaime and Brienne. It's not really out of sorts with travel-times as they were first established in s1. I'm not convinced by it for other reasons. But if Luka is right in his speculation, there'd be a lot more than Sansa to judge Jaime. Jon would be there, a host of Northern lords, LF and the Knights of the Vale and many others who'd have reason to want to see the Kingslayer punished. So it wouldn't be an exact one-on-one analogue to anyone taking up that role exactly. Still, I don't think it'll happen.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 20:10:28 GMT
day dreamer ... But they HAVE to write around LSH and give elements of that storyline to other characters (Sansa, Arya, Blackfish). There's no other way around it (well, except if they had LSH of course).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 20:14:14 GMT
The Dragon Demands in the WOTW comments is freaking out that HBO's handlers would let McShane get away with saying a spoiler like that. I guess TDD doesn't know who he's dealing with here.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2016 21:02:48 GMT
And once again all of the comments are "TRAILER PLEASE!"
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