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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 21:31:25 GMT
I don't hate this theory, but I highly enjoy the notion that under Ser Robert Strong's head, is Robb Stark's head. Because Stark means Strong (well, according to the person who wrote it) and well... Robert Strong!!! It flies in the face of basic, science (dead body parts if you want to use them must be preserved). It is such a crass, disgusting theory I can't stop but laugh. I completely understand why people think Tyrion is a Targaryen- even though I really do not agree. I am, however very annoyed when people use Tyrion being a dwarf to prove their theory. It would also mean Joanna was raped by Aerys and forced to bare his child. Not a fan I personally would like to see all the Starks ruling together with equal power. Probs not going to happen, but I can dream  Stark means strong in German but aside from that it is the most ridiculous theory ever.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2016 23:08:52 GMT
Sounds like fun  Eww, gurl. No offense, but I'm 90000000% gay and am not here for any kind of BDSM activities with a woman (@kairos on the other hand...  (I'm kidding  )) Yeah... "kidding"...  |
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Post by freeparking on Feb 1, 2016 6:08:14 GMT
Tyrion being a Targ, but especially Tyrion riding a dragon. Just no no no. In fact, I am not hot on anyone other than Dany riding dragons. Let Bran warg the other two.
Any of Cat's family ever seeing LSH. Let her die again before that happens.
That Jon Connington or Shireen will cause a Greyscale plague. The types of Greyscale they have/had is the slow killing kind, and I don't see enough time passing for a full blown plague situation.
That Rickon will have a unicorn army or some shit.
That Sansa and Sandor ever get together.
Cleganebowl. I know you guys probably want this to happen, but as far as I am concerned, Gregor is dead. Robert Strong is just a golem.
That anyone other than the Boltons sent the Pink Letter. I have heard the arguments, and they all require too many hoops to jump through.
That I will care who poisoned the locusts. Nobody fucking cares.
That ADOS will be the last book, and that we would ever get it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 6:15:05 GMT
I think there's going to be a lot of dissapointed people when Tyrion gets near those dragons.....  Dragons have been brought up WAY too much in his storyline for him not be one of their riders imo. I also don't really understand why people are so against it tbh. Because he's a dwarf, and it will look funny? Honestly I would love if Dany was the only dragon rider, and she could somehow control the other 2 through Drogon or something, but I know that's not going to happen. I also don't want to see them "warged." If anyone else gets to ride a dragon I want it to be Jon and Tyrion. Sorry but I do. Also, plenty of people care who poisoned the locusts. The Meereenese Blot essays have become pretty popular among the fandom, and while I don't agree with all of the Dany one, it's a well thought out analysis, and is definitely worth reading. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 6:16:09 GMT
Tyrion being a Targ, but especially Tyrion riding a dragon. Just no no no. In fact, I am not hot on anyone other than Dany riding dragons. Let Bran warg the other two. Any of Cat's family ever seeing LSH. Let her die again before that happens. That Jon Connington or Shireen will cause a Greyscale plague. The types of Greyscale they have/had is the slow killing kind, and I don't see enough time passing for a full blown plague situation. That Rickon will have a unicorn army or some shit.That Sansa and Sandor ever get together. Cleganebowl. I know you guys probably want this to happen, but as far as I am concerned, Gregor is dead. Robert Strong is just a golem. That anyone other than the Boltons sent the Pink Letter. I have heard the arguments, and they all require too many hoops to jump through. That I will care who poisoned the locusts. Nobody fucking cares. That ADOS will be the last book, and that we would ever get it.  Wtf. People really do have strange theories. Also yeah I think it's fairly obvious that Ramsay wrote the Pink Letter. At least the show pretty much confirms it too with Ramsay saying "Winterfell is mine. Come and see." in the Stark teaser. |
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Post by freeparking on Feb 1, 2016 6:39:35 GMT
I think there's going to be a lot of dissapointed people when Tyrion gets near those dragons..... Dragons have been brought up WAY too much in his storyline for him not be one of their riders imo. I also don't really understand why people are so against it tbh. Because he's a dwarf, and it will look funny? Honestly I would love if Dany was the only dragon rider, and she could somehow control the other 2 through Drogon or something, but I know that's not going to happen. I also don't want to see them "warged." If anyone else gets to ride a dragon I want it to be Jon and Tyrion. Sorry but I do. Also, plenty of people definitely care who poisoned the locusts. The Meereenese Blot has become pretty popular among the fandom, and while I don't agree with all of it, it's definitely a well thought out analysis, and is worth reading. The "Blot" essays are popular because the fandom doesn't want to think that five books into this story GRRM's writing is declining. They will cling to anything that tells them that they just didn't get it the first time. Here is the problem though, if the fandom needs to read an essay to appreciate a part of the story, didn't the author fail? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 6:48:14 GMT
I think there's going to be a lot of dissapointed people when Tyrion gets near those dragons..... Dragons have been brought up WAY too much in his storyline for him not be one of their riders imo. I also don't really understand why people are so against it tbh. Because he's a dwarf, and it will look funny? Honestly I would love if Dany was the only dragon rider, and she could somehow control the other 2 through Drogon or something, but I know that's not going to happen. I also don't want to see them "warged." If anyone else gets to ride a dragon I want it to be Jon and Tyrion. Sorry but I do. Also, plenty of people definitely care who poisoned the locusts. The Meereenese Blot has become pretty popular among the fandom, and while I don't agree with all of it, it's definitely a well thought out analysis, and is worth reading. The "Blot" essays are popular because the fandom doesn't want to think that five books into this story GRRM's writing is declining. They will cling to anything that tells them that they just didn't get it the first time. Here is the problem though, if the fandom needs to read an essay to appreciate a part of the story, didn't the author fail? How is reading an essay any different than discussing the series on an online forum? People interpret things differently. They also miss things in a series the size of ASoIaF. I know I certainly did my first time through. I see nothing wrong with reading other people's opinions. Also, I can only speak for myself, but I enjoyed that part of the story before reading anything online about these books.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 7:36:04 GMT
I think there's going to be a lot of dissapointed people when Tyrion gets near those dragons..... Dragons have been brought up WAY too much in his storyline for him not be one of their riders imo. I also don't really understand why people are so against it tbh. Because he's a dwarf, and it will look funny? Honestly I would love if Dany was the only dragon rider, and she could somehow control the other 2 through Drogon or something, but I know that's not going to happen. I also don't want to see them "warged." If anyone else gets to ride a dragon I want it to be Jon and Tyrion. Sorry but I do. Also, plenty of people definitely care who poisoned the locusts. The Meereenese Blot has become pretty popular among the fandom, and while I don't agree with all of it, it's definitely a well thought out analysis, and is worth reading. The "Blot" essays are popular because the fandom doesn't want to think that five books into this story GRRM's writing is declining. They will cling to anything that tells them that they just didn't get it the first time. Here is the problem though, if the fandom needs to read an essay to appreciate a part of the story, didn't the author fail? That raises an interesting question. Because on one hand it's natural that people reassess AFFC and ADWD beyond their initial reactions to them as being disappointing and re-contextualize how they feel about the books after a few years. Because there is a lot of stuff in those two books that is worth delving into and analyzing. And reading about it all really CAN change or improve one's opinion of them. But on the other hand it's pretty apparent to me that people like Adam Feldman and Brynden BFish are in part doing what they're doing in reshaping the consensus about those two books because it makes it easier to ascend to the sortof "made men", Lindaario and Adam Whitehead, GrrM's inner circle level of the fandom intelligentsia. Or put another way, because it'll get them a mention in the dedications in the first few pages of TWOW.
Either way None of them have changed my opinion about those two books really. Because imo their biggest weaknesses are not what was in them but what was left out.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 7:43:21 GMT
The "Blot" essays are popular because the fandom doesn't want to think that five books into this story GRRM's writing is declining. They will cling to anything that tells them that they just didn't get it the first time. Here is the problem though, if the fandom needs to read an essay to appreciate a part of the story, didn't the author fail? That raises an interesting question. Because on one hand it's natural that people reassess AFFC and ADWD beyond their initial reactions to them as being disappointing and re-contextualize how they feel about the books after a few years. Because there is a lot of stuff in those two books that is worth delving into and analyzing. And reading about it all really CAN change or improve one's opinion of them. But on the other hand it's pretty apparent to me that people like Adam Feldman and Brynden BFish are in part doing what they're doing in reshaping the consensus about those two books because it makes it easier to ascend to the sortof "made men", Lindaario and Adam Whitehead, GrrM's inner circle level of the fandom intelligentsia. Or put another way, because it'll get them a mention in the dedications in the first few pages of TWOW.
Either way None of them have changed my opinion about those two books really. Because imo their biggest weaknesses are not what was in them but what was left out.
Yeah he could have moved a lot of chapters from ADWD to AFFC and then ended ADWD with the Battle of Meereen and the Battle of Winterfell. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 7:49:16 GMT
That raises an interesting question. Because on one hand it's natural that people reassess AFFC and ADWD beyond their initial reactions to them as being disappointing and re-contextualize how they feel about the books after a few years. Because there is a lot of stuff in those two books that is worth delving into and analyzing. And reading about it all really CAN change or improve one's opinion of them. But on the other hand it's pretty apparent to me that people like Adam Feldman and Brynden BFish are in part doing what they're doing in reshaping the consensus about those two books because it makes it easier to ascend to the sortof "made men", Lindaario and Adam Whitehead, GrrM's inner circle level of the fandom intelligentsia. Or put another way, because it'll get them a mention in the dedications in the first few pages of TWOW.
Either way None of them have changed my opinion about those two books really. Because imo their biggest weaknesses are not what was in them but what was left out.
Yeah he could have moved a lot of chapters from ADWD to AFFC and then ended ADWD with the Battle of Meereen and the Battle of Winterfell. 
Or something more amenable like actually managing to merge the two books in some sensible order. But what's done is done. At this point s6 is my only concern.
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Post by Madeleine on Feb 1, 2016 16:08:52 GMT
AFFC / ADWD are written in a way that asks alot of questions. Not just about the Battle Of Fire / Ice... but the Faceless Men, Citadel, Sons Of The Harpy, The North, Doran, Greyjoys (mostly Aeron and Euron). The Hooded Man, who is he? Who is the Harpy? Is Doran keeping secret information regarding Sarella? The key from Pate? Is there a horn of Darkness? Who was kissing the knight in Bran's vision? What connections and experiences with magic does Euron have? So, of course people are going to dedicate hours to answer those questions. I don't think its a sign of bad writing on GRRM's part, but a sign that fans are so engaged within the story that they'll try to unlock it before GRRM unveils the key. Is it good writing GRRM didn't show us particular battles and solve mysteries? Unsure. But my curiosity is definitely high. The problem with theories such as Grand Northern Conspiracy isn't that its long and rather, at times desperate... but it twists and manipulates characters for Jon. Meereenese Blot's great, although I haven't read all of the writings. I love theories, I mean of course some are flat out offensive and can even be harmful (Bran can't walk, so he can't rule), but some are so much fun and I love speculating. Hence why I started this thread cause I love discussing them. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2016 16:12:24 GMT
AFFC / ADWD are written in a way that asks alot of questions. Not just about the Battle Of Fire / Ice... but the Faceless Men, Citadel, Sons Of The Harpy, The North, Doran, Greyjoys (mostly Aeron and Euron). The Hooded Man, who is he? Who is the Harpy? Is Doran keeping secret information regarding Sarella? The key from Pate? Is there a horn of Darkness? Who was kissing the knight in Bran's vision? What connections and experiences with magic does Euron have? So, of course people are going to dedicate hours to answer those questions. I don't think its a sign of bad writing on GRRM's part, but a sign that fans are so engaged within the story that they'll try to unlock it before GRRM unveils the key. Is it good writing GRRM didn't show us particular battles and solve mysteries? Unsure. But my curiosity is definitely high. The problem with theories such as Grand Northern Conspiracy isn't that its long and rather, at times desperate... but it twists and manipulates characters for Jon. Meereenese Blot's great, although I haven't read all of the writings. I love theories, I mean of course some are flat out offensive and can even be harmful (Bran can't walk, so he can't rule), but some are so much fun and I love speculating. Hence why I started this thread cause I love discussing them. That is most likely Old Nan and Ser Duncan the Tall. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 0:39:22 GMT
I don't like the countless "character x is a secret Targ"-theories. Imo Jon is the only secret Targ there is. That's not really a secret. |
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Post by Basil on Feb 2, 2016 0:43:20 GMT
I don't like the countless "character x is a secret Targ"-theories. Imo Jon is the only secret Targ there is. That's not really a secret. It hasn't been revealed in the books or the show yet, so yeah, it kinda is. |
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Post by freeparking on Feb 2, 2016 6:51:35 GMT
The "Blot" essays are popular because the fandom doesn't want to think that five books into this story GRRM's writing is declining. They will cling to anything that tells them that they just didn't get it the first time. Here is the problem though, if the fandom needs to read an essay to appreciate a part of the story, didn't the author fail? How is reading an essay any different than discussing the series on an online forum? People interpret things differently. They also miss things in a series the size of ASoIaF. I know I certainly did my first time through. I see nothing wrong with reading other people's opinions. Also, I can only speak for myself, but I enjoyed that part of the story before reading anything online about these books. Yes, people can obviously change their opinions about parts of the story based on rereads and other things they read online. The problem is when parts of the fandom are desperate to find a reason to claim there is nothing wrong with clearly questionable parts of the story. The recent poll results on the WOTW, Reddit, and other sites regarding who poisoned the locusts are telling I think. With the sole exception of The Tower of the Hand, Don't Know/Care received roughly 30% of the vote, and the write-ins had things like "Fuck Meereen" and "Who cares?" (Neither were mine, by the way.) Dany in Meereen is routinely brought up by people as one of their least liked parts of the books. If GRRM's desire was to make a significant chunk of the fandom dread turning the page in ADWD and see Dany's name pop up, then congratulations to him. Otherwise, he didn't get across what he wanted to. |
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Post by freeparking on Feb 2, 2016 7:16:25 GMT
AFFC / ADWD are written in a way that asks alot of questions. Not just about the Battle Of Fire / Ice... but the Faceless Men, Citadel, Sons Of The Harpy, The North, Doran, Greyjoys (mostly Aeron and Euron). The Hooded Man, who is he? Who is the Harpy? Is Doran keeping secret information regarding Sarella? The key from Pate? Is there a horn of Darkness? Who was kissing the knight in Bran's vision? What connections and experiences with magic does Euron have? So, of course people are going to dedicate hours to answer those questions. I don't think its a sign of bad writing on GRRM's part, but a sign that fans are so engaged within the story that they'll try to unlock it before GRRM unveils the key. Is it good writing GRRM didn't show us particular battles and solve mysteries? Unsure. But my curiosity is definitely high. The problem with theories such as Grand Northern Conspiracy isn't that its long and rather, at times desperate... but it twists and manipulates characters for Jon. Meereenese Blot's great, although I haven't read all of the writings. I love theories, I mean of course some are flat out offensive and can even be harmful (Bran can't walk, so he can't rule), but some are so much fun and I love speculating. Hence why I started this thread cause I love discussing them. The entire series is set up that way. GRRM loves his mysteries. Fantasy readers usually do as well. Some of them will get nigh obsessed with the prophecies, trying to solve them like a rubix cube. Sometimes GRRM does a great job paying them off like LF and Lysa starting the whole story, but other times the resolution is weak like Joffrey sending the assassin. My problem is the series is starting to become like Lost. I stopped watching it several seasons in because it became clear to me that they had too many mysteries juggling in the air and were too hesitant to give answers. Based on what I heard on how it ended, I made the right choice. I don't want ASOIAF to become like Lost. It is easy to start a mystery but harder to end it in a satisfying way. On a side note, trying to Google for something GOT/ASOIAF related when you don't know the exact wording is a pain in the ass. |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Feb 2, 2016 14:21:52 GMT
The long wait between books is another reason for so many crazy theories and speculations. People get bored waiting years and try to over analyze every little detail, searching for answers or another conspiracy theory. I seriously doubt GRRRM will ever finish the books, so sadly I think we may never get answers for so many questions about the series... My life would be pretty sad without the TV show. Now, at least I can rest assured knowing that I will have an ending for this story that I love so much.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2016 14:34:33 GMT
The long wait between books is another reason for so many crazy theories and speculations. People get bored waiting years and try to over analyze every little detail, searching for answers or another conspiracy theory. I seriously doubt GRRRM will ever finish the books, so sadly I think we may never get answers for so many questions about the series... My life would be pretty sad without the TV show. Now, at least I can rest assured knowing that I will have an ending for this story that I love so much. I was in denial for a long time, but I think the show will be the only ending we will get. Sucks, but it is what it is.  |
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Post by barristanwhitebeard on Feb 2, 2016 15:20:44 GMT
The long wait between books is another reason for so many crazy theories and speculations. People get bored waiting years and try to over analyze every little detail, searching for answers or another conspiracy theory. I seriously doubt GRRRM will ever finish the books, so sadly I think we may never get answers for so many questions about the series... My life would be pretty sad without the TV show. Now, at least I can rest assured knowing that I will have an ending for this story that I love so much. I was in denial for a long time, but I think the show will be the only ending we will get. Sucks, but it is what it is. The good thing is that I learned a lesson: never again start a book series without being completed. By the way, is that a Kurosawa film in your signature? |
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Post by day dreamer on Feb 2, 2016 15:22:30 GMT
I'm glad so many mentioned Sandor/Sansa hooking up as a theory they hate, because ewwwwwwwwwww
And yeah, Tyrion isn't riding a dragon, I'm sorry. I'll eat crow if I need to, but I'm not on board with that one either.
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Wtf. People really do have strange theories.
