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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 21:18:30 GMT
IA, I think B.Cogs gets an easier time because he's written 6 aired eps to D&D's dozens. My favorite part in a Cogman ep. was Yoren's story in 2.03, which I think was actually added by D&D. I don't think Selyse's jar babies really came close to that show invention. Of course I wasn't fond of inventions such as Pod's magic dick or Tyrion's beetle monologue, but who knows what Cogsy would come up with if he had to write more than 1 or 2 eps a year? Kissed by Fire was a highlight of s3 for example, but idk if I really prefer it over And Now His Watch Is Ended. I think my fave s4 eps were all D&D's. Yeah D and D wrote Yoren's speech, Cogman said so on his commentary with Alik Sakharov for that episode. And also, according to Cogman on twitter last week, they wrote the poem about the Doom of Valyria that Tyrion and Jorah recited too.
Of course when I say "they", it likely means only one of them did. D and D actually write separately and then piece their episodes' scenes together, so it's kindof hard to think of their collaboration as just "D and D" when really their episodes are more "half one D and half the other D".
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Post by evenstar on May 16, 2015 22:08:58 GMT
Samsay.  Too cruel even for a joke! At this point I'll take SanSan and I was never a fan of that one. I wish they'll let Sansa develop without always ending up as a pawn in an insane marriage. And by insane I mean unwanted marriage with a psychopath. |
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2015 22:10:43 GMT
Sansa is shipped with everyone, I even saw a drawing of her with Stannis  Tumblr is dark and full of shipping. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 22:18:32 GMT
When I read "Samsay" and opposed to "Sansay", I thought that meant someone was shipping Sam and Ramsay. Which I'm sure someone somewhere on tumblr genuinely does...
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2015 22:20:38 GMT
When I read "Samsay" and opposed to "Sansay", I thought that meant someone was shipping Sam and Ramsay. Which I'm sure someone somewhere on tumblr genuinely does...   |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 16, 2015 23:05:02 GMT
When I read "Samsay" and opposed to "Sansay", I thought that meant someone was shipping Sam and Ramsay. Which I'm sure someone somewhere on tumblr genuinely does... Have y'all seen this tumblr post?       |
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Post by Enid on May 16, 2015 23:25:57 GMT
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 16, 2015 23:49:56 GMT
Yeah it was a great collaboration and Tbh, I think Cogman has proven to be a better writer than D&D. Though without The Wall and Stannis, the episode will definitely feel different since it's the first time in the season we won't see them. The pace should be faster as well, but Idk all the build up hasn't really bothered me. I like seeing character interactions rather than constant action all the time. I know this is a popular opinion, amongst the book fandom at least, but I've never quite understood it. In fact, if I think back, D&D have written all five of my favourite episodes of the show. I know they tend to get the meatier episodes but they have a hand in everything. They have a lot to deal with as exec producers and I find it impossible to say whether any are the better writer. My understanding that I've heard is Cogman lifts more dialogue directly from the books so they're generally perceived as more exact to ASOIAF. I don't have statistics to back that up though. He also interacts with fans more on his twitter so he has a positive reputation from that. Also not being D&D helps, so he gets to be a writer who doesn't take the brunt of the criticism. The IMDB ratings, which are finicky anyway, say he's only had one episode before this season (The Laws of Gods and Men) to score above an 8.2. graphtv.kevinformatics.com/tt0944947So pretty much he's had slightly under average for the series as a whole. Given that he hasn't had the strongest episodes to work on, that's not bad. He also came out with the killer 4.06 after three down episodes last season. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 1:51:09 GMT
well they chose to put themselves into this situation! By Ramsay not being disgusting your essentially getting him to play another character. theres no way he'd be nice to Sansa. His definition of 'nice' is killing a girl before letting the dogs eat her. I think the show prevented that somehow actually for the show watchers and a good thing too because I'm not sure how much you can show on the screen so graphically before audience collectively throws a bit in their mouths and become disgusted. And by prevented I mean they set up Ramsey as a two faced lunatic with reasonable moments of lucidity when he knows or someone of bigger authority points out to him that what he'd like to do might not serve him well. So far we've got: Roose warning him that flaying is not the way to get what you want in the end. They let Ramsey "promise" LF that he's not going to hurt Sansa, probably because he thought his cruelty is know (?) to LF. Petyr is warning basically Ramsey that he has become "attached" to the girl and did not want any harm to come to her. And Petyr has gained Roose's alliance over the Lannisters' so Ramsey might think he's kind of dangerous to mess with. And finally they had him have sex that didn't include torture with Myranda. I can remember thinking: well, that looks almost normal before feeling nausea at watching the two psychos doing the dirty. While as a bookwalker I know how Ramsey SHOULD act to be in line with his book character, I know a few show watchers and they don't seem to be worried actually because according to them Ramsey won't cross Roose & LF. It looks like I know too much info about Ramsey whenever I talk to them :-X . Who knows how many like my friends are out there. Uh no. sorry you just can't forget all the bad things he's done in the series. One of the big things they've skipped is his previous marriage to Lady Hornwood. Apart from that they really haven't shown him as a better person. Even his relationship to Myranda could be over in a blink of an eye, as long as she doesn't 'bore' him. He would kill her just as easily. I agree by having Myranda on the show it was an attempt to humanise him (because his book counterpart is horrific the producers probably thought too horrific for TV), but i don't think it worked at all other than to give him someone to talk to this season. Still the same person, and would do the same things as book Ramsay. The way Iwan Rheon plays Ramsay and the way the script is written shows him to be a little more humorous but it doesn't matter because he has STILL done terrible things to people. Promise to LF? Neither Roose or Ramsay give a shit about the happiness of Sansa. Empty promises. And LF is an idiot if he believed them. Yes, he warns Ramsay the same ways in the book if i recall correctly. He doesn't listen. He is a psychopath that will do whatever he wants. He acts good around Roose because he wants to impress daddy and has a respect for him. Not the same around other people. Just ask Reek and Jeyne Poole and Lady Hornwood....and the Ironborn at Moat Cailin. |
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Post by freypies on May 17, 2015 2:21:42 GMT
I know this is a popular opinion, amongst the book fandom at least, but I've never quite understood it. In fact, if I think back, D&D have written all five of my favourite episodes of the show. I know they tend to get the meatier episodes but they have a hand in everything. They have a lot to deal with as exec producers and I find it impossible to say whether any are the better writer. IA, I think B.Cogs gets an easier time because he's written 6 aired eps to D&D's dozens. My favorite part in a Cogman ep. was Yoren's story in 2.03, which I think was actually added by D&D. I don't think Selyse's jar babies really came close to that show invention. Of course I wasn't fond of inventions such as Pod's magic dick or Tyrion's beetle monologue, but who knows what Cogsy would come up with if he had to write more than 1 or 2 eps a year? Kissed by Fire was a highlight of s3 for example, but idk if I really prefer it over And Now His Watch Is Ended. I think my fave s4 eps were all D&D's. Oh Lord, help us Sometimes ya gotta laugh to keep from crying/barfing, ya know? Yeah, people tend to remember the particular D&D scenes that they hate, but don't remember the many great episodes they have written. The Watchers on the Wall, in my opinion, was a masterpiece. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 2:37:29 GMT
When I read "Samsay" and opposed to "Sansay", I thought that meant someone was shipping Sam and Ramsay. Which I'm sure someone somewhere on tumblr genuinely does... I love you sati, thank you for this. I'm sitting here sick as a dog on a Saturday night and feeling sorry for myself (too sick to even watch a movie or play a game always sucks) and your choice gifs together just made me guffaw. Laughter is the best medicine, I agree! Also, ladystoneboobs said ya gotta laugh so you don't barf ... that's never been truer than for me tonight. stomach bugs SUCK! I haven't puked like that since college drinking binge porcelain throne worshiping.  |
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Post by sj4iy on May 17, 2015 2:39:31 GMT
Yeah, people tend to remember the particular D&D scenes that they hate, but don't remember the many great episodes they have written. The Watchers on the Wall, in my opinion, was a masterpiece. And then they do the exact opposite with the books...they remember everything they liked and nothing of what they didn't. I don't like everything that D&D have written, but then again, I don't like everything that Martin has written. Some things the books did better, and some things the show does better. So in my mind, it all evens out. |
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 17, 2015 2:39:40 GMT
IA, I think B.Cogs gets an easier time because he's written 6 aired eps to D&D's dozens. My favorite part in a Cogman ep. was Yoren's story in 2.03, which I think was actually added by D&D. I don't think Selyse's jar babies really came close to that show invention. Of course I wasn't fond of inventions such as Pod's magic dick or Tyrion's beetle monologue, but who knows what Cogsy would come up with if he had to write more than 1 or 2 eps a year? Kissed by Fire was a highlight of s3 for example, but idk if I really prefer it over And Now His Watch Is Ended. I think my fave s4 eps were all D&D's. Sometimes ya gotta laugh to keep from crying/barfing, ya know? Yeah, people tend to remember the particular D&D scenes that they hate, but don't remember the many great episodes they have written. The Watchers on the Wall, in my opinion, was a masterpiece. True, that episode was incredible, but directing also plays quite a big part in making an episode a success - I would give more credit to Neil Marshall rather than D&D (and Dave fucking Hill  ) |
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Post by evenstar on May 17, 2015 2:51:28 GMT
I think the show prevented that somehow actually for the show watchers and a good thing too because I'm not sure how much you can show on the screen so graphically before audience collectively throws a bit in their mouths and become disgusted. And by prevented I mean they set up Ramsey as a two faced lunatic with reasonable moments of lucidity when he knows or someone of bigger authority points out to him that what he'd like to do might not serve him well. So far we've got: Roose warning him that flaying is not the way to get what you want in the end. They let Ramsey "promise" LF that he's not going to hurt Sansa, probably because he thought his cruelty is know (?) to LF. Petyr is warning basically Ramsey that he has become "attached" to the girl and did not want any harm to come to her. And Petyr has gained Roose's alliance over the Lannisters' so Ramsey might think he's kind of dangerous to mess with. And finally they had him have sex that didn't include torture with Myranda. I can remember thinking: well, that looks almost normal before feeling nausea at watching the two psychos doing the dirty. While as a bookwalker I know how Ramsey SHOULD act to be in line with his book character, I know a few show watchers and they don't seem to be worried actually because according to them Ramsey won't cross Roose & LF. It looks like I know too much info about Ramsey whenever I talk to them :-X . Who knows how many like my friends are out there. Uh no. sorry you just can't forget all the bad things he's done in the series. One of the big things they've skipped is his previous marriage to Lady Hornwood. Apart from that they really haven't shown him as a better person. Even his relationship to Myranda could be over in a blink of an eye, as long as she doesn't 'bore' him. He would kill her just as easily. I agree by having Myranda on the show it was an attempt to humanise him (because his book counterpart is horrific the producers probably thought too horrific for TV), but i don't think it worked at all other than to give him someone to talk to this season. Still the same person, and would do the same things as book Ramsay. The way Iwan Rheon plays Ramsay and the way the script is written shows him to be a little more humorous but it doesn't matter because he has STILL done terrible things to people. Promise to LF? Neither Roose or Ramsay give a shit about the happiness of Sansa. Empty promises. And LF is an idiot if he believed them. Yes, he warns Ramsay the same ways in the book if i recall correctly. He doesn't listen. He is a psychopath that will do whatever he wants. He acts good around Roose because he wants to impress daddy and has a respect for him. Not the same around other people. Just ask Reek and Jeyne Poole and Lady Hornwood....and the Ironborn at Moat Cailin. I probably was not clear. I was not talking about humanizing Ramsey. Though they did toned down his actions. I was saying that the it was pointed out to me that Ramsey would not cross Roose or Petyr based on show scenes only. I couldn't argue with that bringing book arguments to the table simply because I cannot prove that Ramsey would. Also to bring up Jayne Poole or Lady Hornwood would mean jack shit to a show only watcher. And I never thought of brining up the Ironborn at Moat Cailin since that was a result of an enemy conflict and Sansa as a northwoman would know that is what the Boltons usually do to their enemies they flay people. Though that's actually a good point. Anyway, I couldn't find anything in the show to prove that Ramsey would defy his father who thinks they need Sansa (probably unharmed) to hold the North or that he'd mess with Petyr Baelish's wish other than he's a psychopath. If you can, kudos to you. I found their arguments plausible and something I've never considered. There is no need for "Umm sorry". I wasn't trying for smartass. |
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Post by sj4iy on May 17, 2015 3:20:59 GMT
Yeah, people tend to remember the particular D&D scenes that they hate, but don't remember the many great episodes they have written. The Watchers on the Wall, in my opinion, was a masterpiece. True, that episode was incredible, but directing also plays quite a big part in making an episode a success - I would give more credit to Neil Marshall rather than D&D (and Dave fucking Hill ) I wouldn't. They aren't just writers- they are producers, too. That means that they are on set, everyday, somewhere. And no doubt, one or both of them were integral to shooting that episode. Marshal was amazing, but I'm not about to short D&D by saying "well, they only wrote it"...because they didn't just write it. |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 4:05:05 GMT
Alright. Maybe I was wrong when I said that Cogman is a better writer than D&D as Cogman only wrote 1 episode that was in my Top 10, but I still think he is a great writer and should write more episodes. The only reason I said it is that I assumed Sansa going to Winterfell was mostly D&D's idea and at first it seemed like it wouldn't work on screen, but after seeing Kill the Boy, I think it's a lot more interesting than I imagined due to Turner, McElhatton, Rheon, and Allen's acting as well as Cogman's writing.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 4:08:49 GMT
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Post by Nezzer on May 17, 2015 4:23:29 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 4:24:17 GMT
Is that a promotional gif from HBO? Strange that they'd promote ep. 506 with a gif from ep. 505... |
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2015 10:12:39 GMT
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