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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 15:25:49 GMT
No wall or Stannis this episode? It's going to be bad!
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Post by King Tommen on May 16, 2015 0:31:57 GMT
They reportedly let Aimee Richardson read for the role and audition with everyone else so she was given a fair shot. I don't think she's a good enough actress to do what they needed Myrcella to do at this point. It's weird they would make her re-read for a role she already had, even if it was a few seasons later. I suppose I should wait and see what Newcella can do, but I just felt bad for Aimee. Just like original Tommen, Richardson was a local who they featured as an extra for the roles in the first couple seasons as they didn't really require them to do much. When it got to the point where they needed those characters to do some real acting, they needed to find professional child actors who were up to the task of playing those parts. Richardson was never intended to be much more than a featured extra but out of respect, they let her try out for the ramped up Myrcella but she (probably predictably) didn't quite have the skills necessary. The old Tommen didn't get even that courtesy so I guess she is lucky in that respect. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 3:16:51 GMT
i know this sounds bad...but i'll be disappointed if they toned down the bedding scene between Sansa and Ramsay. I don't want to really see it but i think it should be implied that he did terrible things. Otherwise it would just compromise both of their characters. Sansa is strong, she's suffered abuse and wouldn't give up easily. And Ramsay should show no mercy even if roose says so.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 3:32:31 GMT
i know this sounds bad...but i'll be disappointed if they toned down the bedding scene between Sansa and Ramsay. I don't want to really see it but i think it should be implied that he did terrible things. Otherwise it would just compromise both of their characters. Sansa is strong, she's suffered abuse and wouldn't give up easily. And Ramsay should show no mercy even if roose says so. Yikes. I guess I think I know where you're coming from, but still.. yikes. My hope is that the title of the episode refers to Sansa, as well as to Dorne's House words. (Although if anyone here makes a smirky comment about 'unbroken', I think I'll go full on Drogon.) I truly hope the show has some full-on Stark vengeance retribution going on after this ugliness is over. It's long past due. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 4:06:32 GMT
No wall or Stannis this episode? It's going to be bad! It really depends, though I would be surprised if it's stronger than High Sparrow and Kill the Boy. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 4:10:30 GMT
No wall or Stannis this episode? It's going to be bad! It really depends, though I would be surprised if it's stronger than High Sparrow and Kill the Boy. I think so. The Cogman-Podeswa collaboration last week proved to be great and this episode will be even more eventful. I'm thinking it could well be the best of the season so far, finally topping ep. 503. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 4:16:34 GMT
I think so. The Cogman-Podeswa collaboration last week proved to be great and this episode will be even more eventful, so I'm thinking it could well be the best of the season so far, finally topping ep. 503. Yeah it was a great collaboration and Tbh, I think Cogman has proven to be a better writer than D&D. Though without The Wall and Stannis, the episode will definitely feel different since it's the first time in the season we won't see them. The pace should be faster as well, but Idk all the build up hasn't really bothered me. I like seeing character interactions rather than constant action all the time. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 4:33:38 GMT
My DVR guide says "Arya begins training; Jorah and Tyrion encounter slavers; Jaime and Bronn reach their destination; the Sand Snakes attack.
No mention of Sansa.
It's also listed as Drama/Sci-fi lol.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 4:35:14 GMT
My DVR guide says "Arya begins training; Jorah and Tyrion encounter slavers; Jaime and Bronn reach their destination; the Sand Snakes attack. No mention or Sansa. It's also listed as Drama/Sci-fi lol. Yeah, that's just the synopsis. We already know Sansa is in it because of the promo. And sci-fi  |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 5:34:18 GMT
i know this sounds bad...but i'll be disappointed if they toned down the bedding scene between Sansa and Ramsay. I don't want to really see it but i think it should be implied that he did terrible things. Otherwise it would just compromise both of their characters. Sansa is strong, she's suffered abuse and wouldn't give up easily. And Ramsay should show no mercy even if roose says so. Yikes. I guess I think I know where you're coming from, but still.. yikes. My hope is that the title of the episode refers to Sansa, as well as to Dorne's House words. (Although if anyone here makes a smirky comment about 'unbroken', I think I'll go full on Drogon.) I truly hope the show has some full-on Stark vengeance retribution going on after this ugliness is over. It's long past due. well they chose to put themselves into this situation! By Ramsay not being disgusting your essentially getting him to play another character. theres no way he'd be nice to Sansa. His definition of 'nice' is killing a girl before letting the dogs eat her. |
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Post by freypies on May 16, 2015 6:57:24 GMT
From recapped.com, it doesn't sound like that scene will be particularly bad, so I'm kind of relieved. I guess most of the audience will be take what the site summarised.
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Post by day dreamer on May 16, 2015 11:56:33 GMT
It's weird they would make her re-read for a role she already had, even if it was a few seasons later. I suppose I should wait and see what Newcella can do, but I just felt bad for Aimee. Just like original Tommen, Richardson was a local who they featured as an extra for the roles in the first couple seasons as they didn't really require them to do much. When it got to the point where they needed those characters to do some real acting, they needed to find professional child actors who were up to the task of playing those parts. Richardson was never intended to be much more than a featured extra but out of respect, they let her try out for the ramped up Myrcella but she (probably predictably) didn't quite have the skills necessary. The old Tommen didn't get even that courtesy so I guess she is lucky in that respect. That's interesting, I didn't know all of that. She was so vocal about it on social media that I felt bad for her. |
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Post by evenstar on May 16, 2015 12:50:20 GMT
Yikes. I guess I think I know where you're coming from, but still.. yikes. My hope is that the title of the episode refers to Sansa, as well as to Dorne's House words. (Although if anyone here makes a smirky comment about 'unbroken', I think I'll go full on Drogon.) I truly hope the show has some full-on Stark vengeance retribution going on after this ugliness is over. It's long past due. well they chose to put themselves into this situation! By Ramsay not being disgusting your essentially getting him to play another character. theres no way he'd be nice to Sansa. His definition of 'nice' is killing a girl before letting the dogs eat her. I think the show prevented that somehow actually for the show watchers and a good thing too because I'm not sure how much you can show on the screen so graphically before audience collectively throws a bit in their mouths and become disgusted. And by prevented I mean they set up Ramsey as a two faced lunatic with reasonable moments of lucidity when he knows or someone of bigger authority points out to him that what he'd like to do might not serve him well. So far we've got: Roose warning him that flaying is not the way to get what you want in the end. They let Ramsey "promise" LF that he's not going to hurt Sansa, probably because he thought his cruelty is know (?) to LF. Petyr is warning basically Ramsey that he has become "attached" to the girl and did not want any harm to come to her. And Petyr has gained Roose's alliance over the Lannisters' so Ramsey might think he's kind of dangerous to mess with. And finally they had him have sex that didn't include torture with Myranda. I can remember thinking: well, that looks almost normal before feeling nausea at watching the two psychos doing the dirty. While as a bookwalker I know how Ramsey SHOULD act to be in line with his book character, I know a few show watchers and they don't seem to be worried actually because according to them Ramsey won't cross Roose & LF. It looks like I know too much info about Ramsey whenever I talk to them :-X . Who knows how many like my friends are out there. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 16, 2015 17:52:09 GMT
Show watchers don't have as much of a reason to be worried. There is a bit more to it than that. Ramsay is a weird bag in the show. They've always kind of undercut his intimating factor a bit by making him into both a ruthless psychopath and a funny clown. As a bit of a comparison, the closest I can draw is kind of like The Joker in The Dark Night. But other than their base character attributes, they're quite different. The Joker usually always spoke with someone with whom he was intimidating, hurting, or playing. His laughs always came off as creepy and menacing. With Ramsay in the show, he had almost all scenes like this back in S3, although they were a bit extensive by some viewers accounts and a little "overdriven." Since then, his only real on-screen menacing act was the Tansy scene back in 4.02 with Reek and Myranda on the hunt. We really haven't gotten any actual "Ramsay actions" on-screen since then. The flaying of the ironborn at Moat Cailin and Lord Cerwyn in 5.03 were both off. He's teased a few people, but otherwise his most predominant actions are being the clown Ramsay. Scenes with Roose also help this because he's not going to do anything to Roose. Speculation: Or so we think. I wouldn't put it past the show to have him walk over to Roose's chambers right after the Sansa scene and murder him for what he did to his mother. Thus, they've tricked the audience into not knowing better by both presenting a rational reason for Ramsay to not harm Sansa and not showing him committing any heinous actions for a season and a half. The funny acts and his forgiveness of Reek in 5.05 also seems to indicate he's calmer than before. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 16, 2015 19:14:09 GMT
It's weird they would make her re-read for a role she already had, even if it was a few seasons later. I suppose I should wait and see what Newcella can do, but I just felt bad for Aimee. Just like original Tommen, Richardson was a local who they featured as an extra for the roles in the first couple seasons as they didn't really require them to do much. When it got to the point where they needed those characters to do some real acting, they needed to find professional child actors who were up to the task of playing those parts. Richardson was never intended to be much more than a featured extra but out of respect, they let her try out for the ramped up Myrcella but she (probably predictably) didn't quite have the skills necessary. The old Tommen didn't get even that courtesy so I guess she is lucky in that respect.From what little we saw of him, Tommen 1.0 was incapable of hiding his NI brogue the way Aimee Richardson did. Even Batman voiced-LF had more control over his accent when he first started on the show, so it makes sense to me if Richardson was given more of a chance than Wharry. I do wonder what that kid looks like by now though, if he had a growth spurt like Isaac's maybe he could actually play against Nat Dormer, if he'd had the acting chops required. He shouldn't have been much younger than Isaac when they got their pilot gigs, right? Anyway, still dreading the Samsay wedding consummation since he's gross and there's at least the consent issues of Tyrion/Sansa, but it does annoy me that Ramsay comes off as less sadistic to the unspoiled than the dearly departed Good King Joff. The Jorah-Tyrion scene looks great. Good to see them getting along before the slavers show up. I hope Tyrion brings up meeting his dad btw, I never understood why he didn't in ADWD. OOO, yes! That was something I was hoping for the show to correct too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 19:23:31 GMT
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Post by Admin on May 16, 2015 20:27:04 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 20:28:18 GMT
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Post by breakfest on May 16, 2015 20:46:05 GMT
I think so. The Cogman-Podeswa collaboration last week proved to be great and this episode will be even more eventful, so I'm thinking it could well be the best of the season so far, finally topping ep. 503. Yeah it was a great collaboration and Tbh, I think Cogman has proven to be a better writer than D&D. Though without The Wall and Stannis, the episode will definitely feel different since it's the first time in the season we won't see them. The pace should be faster as well, but Idk all the build up hasn't really bothered me. I like seeing character interactions rather than constant action all the time. I know this is a popular opinion, amongst the book fandom at least, but I've never quite understood it. In fact, if I think back, D&D have written all five of my favourite episodes of the show. I know they tend to get the meatier episodes but they have a hand in everything. They have a lot to deal with as exec producers and I find it impossible to say whether any are the better writer. |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 16, 2015 21:11:27 GMT
Yeah it was a great collaboration and Tbh, I think Cogman has proven to be a better writer than D&D. Though without The Wall and Stannis, the episode will definitely feel different since it's the first time in the season we won't see them. The pace should be faster as well, but Idk all the build up hasn't really bothered me. I like seeing character interactions rather than constant action all the time. I know this is a popular opinion, amongst the book fandom at least, but I've never quite understood it. In fact, if I think back, D&D have written all five of my favourite episodes of the show. I know they tend to get the meatier episodes but they have a hand in everything. They have a lot to deal with as exec producers and I find it impossible to say whether any are the better writer. IA, I think B.Cogs gets an easier time because he's written 6 aired eps to D&D's dozens. My favorite part in a Cogman ep. was Yoren's story in 2.03, which I think was actually added by D&D. I don't think Selyse's jar babies really came close to that show invention. Of course I wasn't fond of inventions such as Pod's magic dick or Tyrion's beetle monologue, but who knows what Cogsy would come up with if he had to write more than 1 or 2 eps a year? Kissed by Fire was a highlight of s3 for example, but idk if I really prefer it over And Now His Watch Is Ended. I think my fave s4 eps were all D&D's. Samsay. Oh Lord, help us Sometimes ya gotta laugh to keep from crying/barfing, ya know? |
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