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Post by breakfest on Jan 28, 2016 11:41:10 GMT
There's always concessions with these things though. Make them main characters and you need to give them more screentime to the detriment of others, it's a difficult balance. Not to say it couldn't have worked but I'm glad they didn't go that way. Im just using your own logic  they arent exactly main characters, but neither were stannis, mel and davos imo. And as konrad said earlier, I don't think Stannis' introduction worked perfectly either, even though they are much more compelling characters than anyone in Dorne. So introducing them through Jaime was a smart move in theory. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 11:49:03 GMT
Im just using your own logic they arent exactly main characters, but neither were stannis, mel and davos imo. And as konrad said earlier, I don't think Stannis' introduction worked perfectly either, even though they are much more compelling characters than anyone in Dorne. So introducing them through Jaime was a smart move in theory. Really it depends on how effective people think the introductions to Dorne and the Iron Islands were in AFFC. To a good many readers they were pretty jarring and even bewildering, especially at the time. Maybe the consensus has shifted somewhat since ADWD filled in the other half of the story location-wise and a number of essayists have made it their life's work on ASOIAF reddit and AFOIAF to argue the hidden brilliance of those two books...but there you have it. I think most show-fans would have responded similarly but we'll never know.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 11:56:21 GMT
Doran let his only son go with myrcella to kings landing. There's no plan, well nothing that resembles the book. My guess is Trystane gets killed and Doran sides with Daenerys when she comes to westeros. One more reason to see Winds of Winter. Just what does George want to do with Dorne? Dany , book wise, is aware of Dorne, well see if the show plays with this any. Since the sand snakes were introduced there is the possibility they will play their book roles. Nymeria was sent to sit on the small council. Tyene was sent to befriend the High Sparrow. Show wise these scenarios could happen , where they would go, god only knows. Obara Sand has a different mission in the books and it's not even set up on the show. So what she does is a mystery. Since the sand snakes were accessories to murder, i hope they get executed. In the book i think they will help drive cersei madder and prepare for Aegon when hearrives in KL |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 12:26:16 GMT
Doran HAS to execute the Sand Snakes. Or at least Ellaria. Otherwise he just proves that his subject's whispers are true - he is weak.
I believe the main reason why D&D chose Dorne was the popularity of Oberyn.
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Post by osentalka on Jan 28, 2016 12:42:17 GMT
I believe the main reason why D&D chose Dorne was the popularity of Oberyn. I doubt this. When S5 was written they thought they would have seven seasons. They slashed the Riverlands storyline but kept Dorne, choosing to introduce new characters rather than carry on with what they had. Logically Dorne must be more important to the final denouement than the Riverlands. I've no doubt this will be at least an attempt to ally with Dany.
Now the series has been extended to 7.5/8 seasons 5 they're reintroducing the Riverlands storyline. If S5 had bombed and the decision had gone the other way, sticking to seven seasons, I doubt the Riverrun siege and the fates of Edmure and the Blackfish would ever have been brought up.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 12:51:46 GMT
I believe the main reason why D&D chose Dorne was the popularity of Oberyn. I doubt this. When S5 was written they thought they would have seven seasons. They slashed the Riverlands storyline but kept Dorne, choosing to introduce new characters rather than carry on with what they had. Logically Dorne must be more important to the final denouement than the Riverlands. I've no doubt this will be at least an attempt to ally with Dany.
Now the series has been extended to 7.5/8 seasons 5 they're reintroducing the Riverlands storyline. If S5 had bombed and the decision had gone the other way, sticking to seven seasons, I doubt the Riverrun siege and the fates of Edmure and the Blackfish would ever have been brought up.
They always intended to at least return to the Riverlands. That was why Brienne and Jaime got up to off-book things in s5, to save their reunion for s6. And David Bradley and Tobias Menzies had said in interviews that they'd been assured they'd be coming back. So I never doubted we'd see the Riverlands again.
The Iron Islands is a different question but I think even with just seven seasons there'd have been some sort of return, just a much more muted one.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 12:57:25 GMT
I second what Konrad just said and would like to add that I don't think seven seasons were ever a realistic option. I think that was just D&D showing their poker face.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:03:50 GMT
I second what Konrad just said and would like to add that I don't think seven seasons were ever a realistic option. I think that was just D&D showing their poker face. I'd hoped it would just be seven for a while so that I could back to being a productive human being and out of this fandom...but yeah, in retrospect it comes off like a negotiating tactic on their part to get that last season to be a big payday for them and the main cast. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:12:01 GMT
I second what Konrad just said and would like to add that I don't think seven seasons were ever a realistic option. I think that was just D&D showing their poker face. I'd hoped it would just be seven for a while so that I could back to being a productive human being and out of this fandom...but yeah, in retrospect it comes off like a negotiating tactic on their part to get that last season to be a big payday for them and the main cast. There will be something GoT related even after S8 (new show, movies...). Mark my words. You will never leave this fandom.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:20:24 GMT
I'd hoped it would just be seven for a while so that I could back to being a productive human being and out of this fandom...but yeah, in retrospect it comes off like a negotiating tactic on their part to get that last season to be a big payday for them and the main cast. There will be something GoT related even after S8 (new show, movies...). Mark my words. You will never leave this fandom. I'd probably watch a spin-off about Robert's Rebellion or Dunk & Egg. But others? Movies and new GoT shows? No. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:23:42 GMT
There will be something GoT related even after S8 (new show, movies...). Mark my words. You will never leave this fandom. I'd probably watch a spin-off about Robert's Rebellion or Dunk & Egg. But others? Movies and new GoT shows? No. I meant RR and D&E.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 13:25:09 GMT
There will be something GoT related even after S8 (new show, movies...). Mark my words. You will never leave this fandom. I'd probably watch a spin-off about Robert's Rebellion or Dunk & Egg. But others? Movies and new GoT shows? No. Not even the Tyrion Tapdance Telethon? |
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Post by mattpeto on Jan 28, 2016 15:27:38 GMT
I'd hoped it would just be seven for a while so that I could back to being a productive human being and out of this fandom...but yeah, in retrospect it comes off like a negotiating tactic on their part to get that last season to be a big payday for them and the main cast. There will be something GoT related even after S8 (new show, movies...). Mark my words. You will never leave this fandom. You know I believe that too. The universe is a cash-cow. But...I have this lingering worry. And it's kind of complicated. We all kind of feel that the ending of this story will be epic, but it's in the hands of D&D now. It seems like their best work comes from the stuff that GRRM wrote. Sure, there are exceptions, but generally speaking the adapted content has been the best and most favorable to the fanbase. It's sad that besides the backtracking a bit with AFFC content that we are getting in S6, there's not even dialogue to copy moving forward now. No moments like the Stannis nod, that was so incredible to see. So when Game of Thrones wraps up, we're getting GRRM vision executed by D&D. This is good and bad. The good is, we're going to get the ending. The bad is, it's unadapted material besides some broad outlines. GRRM has been pretty clear that nobody is allowed to finish ASOIAF. Without him actually finishing ADOS, I doubt he's going to license other "unwritten" stories to be adapted. My hope is that he kind of pulls a George Lucas soon and sells the franchise (guessing it's not a Disney brand though) minus the last two books unless he dies. And when he's gone, I have no idea how that will work. It still boggles my mind that the first three books were released 4 years apart (1996-2000) and then we get world builder content (AFFC/ADWD/TWOIAF) over the next 16 years. It doesn't bode well guys if you want more stuff in this universe. Everything hinges on the completion of TWOW and ADOS. And just like another George, GRRM best work seems to be behind him unfortunately. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 15:34:00 GMT
There will be something GoT related even after S8 (new show, movies...). Mark my words. You will never leave this fandom. You know I believe that too. The universe is a cash-cow. But...I have this lingering worry. And it's kind of complicated. We all kind of feel that the ending of this story will be epic, but it's in the hands of D&D now. It seems like their best work comes from the stuff that GRRM wrote. Sure, there are exceptions, but generally speaking the adapted content has been the best and most favorable to the fanbase. It's sad that besides the backtracking a bit with AFFC content that we are getting in S6, there's not even dialogue to copy moving forward now. No moments like the Stannis nod, that was so incredible to see. So when Game of Thrones wraps up, we're getting GRRM vision executed by D&D. This is good and bad. The good is, we're going to get the ending. The bad is, it's unadapted material besides some broad outlines. GRRM has been pretty clear that nobody is allowed to finish ASOIAF. Without him actually finishing ADOS, I doubt he's going to license other "unwritten" stories to be adapted. My hope is that he kind of pulls a George Lucas soon and sells the franchise (guessing it's not a Disney brand though) minus the last two books unless he dies. And when he's gone, I have no idea how that will work. It still boggles my mind that the first three books were released 4 years apart (1996-2000) and then we get world builder content (AFFC/ADWD/TWOIAF) over the next 16 years. It doesn't bode well guys if you want more stuff in this universe. Everything hinges on the completion of TWOW and ADOS. And just like another George, GRRM best work seems to be behind him unfortunately. IIRC George had started writing them in 1992 or so. |
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Post by Belle on Jan 28, 2016 15:52:46 GMT
as far as dorne is concerned, i thought that storyline in season 5 was cringe-worthy and (unintentionally) hilarious at some parts. i wish i could care enough to make some educated guesses about dorne and the dornish in season 6 but i cant and i feel like its a waste of time, because of how much its been changed. i mean alexander siddig already said that he has about the same amount of screentime in season 6 as he did in season 5. and he was like the best part about dorne, so........  |
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Post by boojam on Jan 28, 2016 16:54:41 GMT
There will be something GoT related even after S8 (new show, movies...). Mark my words. You will never leave this So when Game of Thrones wraps up, we're getting GRRM vision executed by D&D. This is good and bad. The good is, we're going to get the ending. The bad is, it's unadapted material besides some broad outlines. GRRM has been pretty clear that nobody is allowed to finish ASOIAF. Without him actually finishing ADOS, I doubt he's going to license other "unwritten" stories to be adapted. My hope is that he kind of pulls a George Lucas soon and sells the franchise (guessing it's not a Disney brand though) minus the last two books unless he dies. And when he's gone, I have no idea how that will work. It is complicated. George and D&D met for a long session in Santa Fe and then, the next year, GRRM met with D&D and Bryan for , I think, an even longer session , by that I mean several days. At least when George was writing episodes they had side meetings about the Whole Story. I don't know what happened last year. Supposedly D&D&B know more than just 'broad outlines' , apparently details about characters. George even noted last year he had an idea for a character that was different than what he told the trio and was trying to figure out wither to use it or not. GRRM has even noted that at least one actor on the show has changed how he would write her in Winds, that may mean the show has influenced some other parts of the story. That's even taking into account his repetition of characters alive on the page but not in the show, tho we don't know if they stay alive! On the page. So season 6 is a toss up the back bone of Winds of Winter may be there. (In fact will S7 be mostly Winds? and S8 mostly Dream?) One is curious tho, since George spent effort on Winds , how many pages written before S6 production? What has GRRM communicated to D&D? He seems still on friendly terms with them, and is still a producer, what ever communication they had last year is totally mysterious. |
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Post by morgantayler on Jan 28, 2016 23:27:25 GMT
Not news but I just thought I'd share it here.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 23:30:02 GMT
Not news but I just thought I'd share it here. ADR is voice stuff? |
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Post by morgantayler on Jan 28, 2016 23:33:37 GMT
Not news but I just thought I'd share it here. ADR is voice stuff? Yeah, they'll go back and re-record dialogue if the sound quality from filming isn't that great. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 28, 2016 23:34:50 GMT
Yeah, they'll go back and re-record dialogue if the sound quality from filming isn't that great. I think we may be getting our trailer soon  |
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they arent exactly main characters, but neither were stannis, mel and davos imo. 
