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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2015 15:52:59 GMT
LMAO if the first non-Bran Stark to warg is Sansa  (I know this won't be the case but it's a hilar scenario. Imagine the meltdowns) |
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Post by King Tommen on Sept 7, 2015 4:27:07 GMT
I'm going to continue to maintain that the show never has any Stark warg besides Bran because ultimately, the non-Bran Starks warging in the books isn't going to be essential to the endgame.
There is zero evidence on the show that they have this ability and we're now into S6. I'm not sure why people keep thinking that they're going to magically be granted this gift as it would end up looking kind of silly at this point.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 6:18:36 GMT
I'm going to continue to maintain that the show never has any Stark warg besides Bran because ultimately, the non-Bran Starks warging in the books isn't going to be essential to the endgame. There is zero evidence on the show that they have this ability and we're now into S6. I'm not sure why people keep thinking that they're going to magically be granted this gift as it would end up looking kind of silly at this point. Why would it be silly if they have latent warging powers that only come on now? First of all, it seems fitting that it would take a physical transformation to awaken the ability. For Bran it was near death, coma, and paralysis, for Arya it might be blindness, for Jon I think death & resurrection would be pretty transformational. The other thing we know is that magic is coming with Winter, which could be another reason they wouldn't have had warging abilities before but would now. They clearly had bonding abilities with their direwolves. Not saying it _will_ happen, I just see no reason to be so sure it won't. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 7, 2015 7:21:16 GMT
orell commented on jon being a warg when he was up north and jon was like 'huh?'
i would've liked for them to have explored the relationship b/w jon and ghost in the show
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Post by King Tommen on Sept 7, 2015 15:15:31 GMT
orell commented on jon being a warg when he was up north and jon was like 'huh?' i would've liked for them to have explored the relationship b/w jon and ghost in the show I don't think there was ever a scene like that, if you can link to it, that would be great. I know that they had a scene for Orell's introduction where Tormund and Ygritte explained to Jon what a warg does. I don't recall anyone ever telling Jon they thought he was one. They've had multiple chances to foreshadow this for all of the Stark kids and it looks like it's not something they're interested in doing. The most obvious choice would have been at Jon's death with Ghost and Ghost isn't even there. If it's not happening there, it's not happening. Arya going blind is a dramatic development that will be part of her overall training with the FM in order to hone her skills as well as reinforce that she is "no one". There's really no need for warging to be a part of that unless you feel like it's really necessary to the plot. I think it's very obvious they don't think it's necessary. Bran is the special, magical Stark so he's the one who gets all the powers. Pretty easy to see that's been the setup from Day 1 on the show. |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Sept 8, 2015 4:53:16 GMT
Updated with all the recent casting calls. Also added Areo and Meera.
Ellie Kendrick was at a GOT panel with Kristian Nairn very recently, and I'm guessing she wouldn't have been there if she had been recast or unceremoniously written out of the show, so I'm including her.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2015 7:50:26 GMT
I don't think there was ever a scene like that, if you can link to it, that would be great. I know that they had a scene for Orell's introduction where Tormund and Ygritte explained to Jon what a warg does. I don't recall anyone ever telling Jon they thought he was one. They've had multiple chances to foreshadow this for all of the Stark kids and it looks like it's not something they're interested in doing. The most obvious choice would have been at Jon's death with Ghost and Ghost isn't even there. If it's not happening there, it's not happening. Arya going blind is a dramatic development that will be part of her overall training with the FM in order to hone her skills as well as reinforce that she is "no one". There's really no need for warging to be a part of that unless you feel like it's really necessary to the plot. I think it's very obvious they don't think it's necessary. Bran is the special, magical Stark so he's the one who gets all the powers. Pretty easy to see that's been the setup from Day 1 on the show. You're right actually i have a bad memory, the concept of a warg was explained to Jon and Ygritte says "you've never met a warg?" and jon sort've thought about it. Here's thee scene from 1:18 |
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Sept 11, 2015 3:00:46 GMT
SNOWBOWL added!
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Post by morgantayler on Sept 14, 2015 22:12:11 GMT
The only thing really new from today is that we now know that the horse sept scene is in 606.
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Post by archiechvyalthan on Sept 14, 2015 22:19:24 GMT
The only thing really new from today is that we now know that the horse sept scene is in 606. Yes, that and that Olenna and Mace are likely involved in the scene. |
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Post by morgantayler on Sept 14, 2015 22:48:05 GMT
The only thing really new from today is that we now know that the horse sept scene is in 606. Yes, that and that Olenna and Mace are likely involved in the scene. I kind of assumed that would be the case but that's a good one to add, too. |
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Post by boojam on Sept 16, 2015 13:31:57 GMT
I don't know if anyone put this up, it kind of explains something about Varys's story that kind of obvious: Varys
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Post by boojam on Sept 16, 2015 13:40:01 GMT
I don't know if anyone put this up, it kind of explains something about Varys's story that kind of obvious: Varys
One thing about this interview , I don't remember a general statement about the show runners telling the cast to not read the books. Maybe this is more the case after Ian McElhinney complained last year. |
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Post by mattpeto on Sept 16, 2015 14:11:29 GMT
Thanks for sharing that boojam. On that same note, I think the biggest TWOW spoilers we got from Season 5 are: #1 - Young Griff is not Aegon Targaryen. It was pretty rare to find somebody who thought he was anyway. However, this was confirmed by Varys aligning with team Daenearys the last few minutes of 5.10. #2 - Stannis is not Azor Ahai. And he will not be involved in the end game. I also think it's likely: #3 - Stannis will lose BoI, even though he's "alive in TWOW" due to the chronology confusion that exists between books 5 and 6. #4 - Shireen will be sacrificed. (There is a remote chance that this was a show only inspired move by GRRM) |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 14:28:56 GMT
I don't think anyone really thought that Stannis was AA. Not even majority of his fans. Most likely only one of ten Stannis fans believed he was the saviour.
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Post by boojam on Sept 16, 2015 15:04:28 GMT
Thanks for sharing that boojam. On that same note, I think the biggest TWOW spoilers we got from Season 5 are: #1 - Young Griff is not Aegon Targaryen. It was pretty rare to find somebody who thought he was anyway. However, this was confirmed by Varys aligning with team Daenearys the last few minutes of 5.10. #2 - Stannis is not Azor Ahai. And he will not be involved in the end game. I also think it's likely: #3 - Stannis will lose BoI, even though he's "alive in TWOW" due to the chronology confusion that exists between books 5 and 6. #4 - Shireen will be sacrificed. (There is a remote chance that this was a show only inspired move by GRRM) One of the more significant things for season 6 is , it seems for sure, the elimination of the Breaking-of-the-Siege at Meereen (sometimes call the 2nd battle of Meereen, other names). Barristan Selmy has two chapters in Winds, even if he is killed at the battle , as a reader I can see why Ian McElhinney was confused. If Selmy is alive at the end of Winds I will also be confused! I still think it's odd that we have four chapters from Winds about the 2nd battle of Meereen , with the implication that there is one more or several more! So that's a lot of story 'invention' for season 6. But David says all will converge. I am curious how. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 15:44:16 GMT
Thanks for sharing that boojam. On that same note, I think the biggest TWOW spoilers we got from Season 5 are: #1 - Young Griff is not Aegon Targaryen. It was pretty rare to find somebody who thought he was anyway. However, this was confirmed by Varys aligning with team Daenearys the last few minutes of 5.10. #2 - Stannis is not Azor Ahai. And he will not be involved in the end game. I also think it's likely: #3 - Stannis will lose BoI, even though he's "alive in TWOW" due to the chronology confusion that exists between books 5 and 6. #4 - Shireen will be sacrificed. (There is a remote chance that this was a show only inspired move by GRRM) One of the more significant things for season 6 is , it seems for sure, the elimination of the Breaking-of-the-Siege at Meereen (sometimes call the 2nd battle of Meereen, other names). Barristan Selmy has two chapters in Winds, even if he is killed at the battle , as a reader I can see why Ian McElhinney was confused. If Selmy is alive at the end of Winds I will also be confused! I still think it's odd that we have four chapters from Winds about the 2nd battle of Meereen , with the implication that there is one more or several more! So that's a lot of story 'invention' for season 6. But David says all will converge. I am curious how. I'm pretty sure 2nd siege of Meereen was cut for time. Also Barristan propably dies in it. |
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Post by boojam on Sept 17, 2015 13:20:27 GMT
Another thing about season 6. Sam does not stop at home , so does Sam in Winds of Winter?
I mean by this on his way back from the Citadel?
It's always bothered me that timing seems off , unless there is a 6 weeks crash course in becoming a Maester.
The Others seem on the march, implied in Dance , but is it delayed in Winds?
If Sam was gone for years ... might not even be a Wall to come back to!
We shall see on the show but seems Sam goes straight to Oldtown a story I would like to know about.
Archmaester Marwyn was going somewhere ... that's been up in the air for a long time.
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Post by boojam on Sept 17, 2015 13:21:37 GMT
Another thing about season 6. Bookwise Sam does not stop at home , so does Sam in Winds of Winter? I mean by this on his way back from the Citadel? It's always bothered me that timing seems off , unless there is a 6 weeks crash course in becoming a Maester. The Others seem on the march, implied in Dance , but is it delayed in Winds? If Sam was gone for years ... might not even be a Wall to come back to! We shall see on the show but seems Sam goes ,almost, straight to Oldtown a story I would like to know about. Archmaester Marwyn was going somewhere ... that's been up in the air for a long time. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2015 14:47:03 GMT
Just checking in on all the updates. So glad we have dedicated fans in our group to keep things sorted! I made a photo album in my scenes/set photos thread for a few of the interesting 6x06 shots we got to see. Especially the very end ones where we did finally get to see Jaime on horseback and even riding with Mace Tyrell on his horse too. That's a significant spoiler to me because I wasn't sure if Jaime would be opposing or allying with Tyrells in this scene.
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