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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 17:55:50 GMT
I can't really think of one that's too out there really. Even if I said "I don't give a shit who lives and dies so long as the story stays good", which is true, I'm sure plenty of people would agree with me. Or if I admitted that I'm very attracted to bookCersei and book-and-showMel precisely because of how batshit they are. I'm sure that'd be an acceptable sentiment on many corners of the internet too. And voicing one's like of the Boltons is hardly controversial anymore. There's a whole subreddit for ffs. Maybe that I think Dany and Stannis are very similar characters who I like just about equally but who's cults of personality within the fandom piss me off to no end? That's not too novel an idea, come to think of it. Or that I prefer ep. 510 to ep. 508? Or that I like s5 better than s1? Yeah, that one probably counts. How about this...I'll probably never read ADOS because I imagine by the time it comes out I'll have moved on from GrrM's world and the fandom and will be happy enough with the show's ending? Is that controversial? Even still. Probably not. I've always felt that Stannis and Danny were like yin-and-yang. I'm one of the few people who love both characters, I'm surprised people get so divisive and choose one camp or the other, because they're quite similar. I love them because they're both constantly on the edge, and either could easily fall into the grips of madness. They have the ability to use their power for good or bad, either way they will feel justified in their actions because of their convictions. This makes them two of the most dangerous characters in the series. They are opposite sides of the same coin, Stannis is probably a better person than many perceive and Dany perhaps not as good of a person as she appears to be. I know extreme elements of the fandom can be obnoxious, though. When a poster gets blinded by love for a character and justifies each atrocity a character commits then it just gets scary. Stannis and Dany both did awful things, but that just makes them more compelling to me. As for riding the hype train, it's all just part of the fun. Some of the memes are created with tongue in cheek, just a colorful element of the fandom. But I know one or two posters get annoyed by my hype-mongering on this forum.   |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 20:00:53 GMT
I can't really think of one that's too out there really. Even if I said "I don't give a shit who lives and dies so long as the story stays good", which is true, I'm sure plenty of people would agree with me. Or if I admitted that I'm very attracted to bookCersei and book-and-showMel precisely because of how batshit they are. I'm sure that'd be an acceptable sentiment on many corners of the internet too. And voicing one's like of the Boltons is hardly controversial anymore. There's a whole subreddit for ffs. Maybe that I think Dany and Stannis are very similar characters who I like just about equally but who's cults of personality within the fandom piss me off to no end? That's not too novel an idea, come to think of it. Or that I prefer ep. 510 to ep. 508? Or that I like s5 better than s1? Yeah, that one probably counts. How about this...I'll probably never read ADOS because I imagine by the time it comes out I'll have moved on from GrrM's world and the fandom and will be happy enough with the show's ending? Is that controversial? Even still. Probably not. I've always felt that Stannis and Danny were like yin-and-yang. I'm one of the few people who love both characters, I'm surprised people get so divisive and choose one camp or the other, because they're quite similar. I love them because they're both constantly on the edge, and either could easily fall into the grips of madness. They have the ability to use their power for good or bad, either way they will feel justified in their actions because of their convictions. This makes them two of the most dangerous characters in the series. They are opposite sides of the same coin, Stannis is probably a better person than many perceive and Dany perhaps not as good of a person as she appears to be. I know extreme elements of the fandom can be obnoxious, though. When a poster gets blinded by love for a character and justifies each atrocity a character commits then it just gets scary. Stannis and Dany both did awful things, but that just makes them more compelling to me. As for riding the hype train, it's all just part of the fun. Some of the memes are created with tongue in cheek, just a colorful element of the fandom. But I know one or two posters get annoyed by my hype-mongering on this forum. A man does not apologise for HYPE. HYPE is not a thing to be forgave or enraged. Hype is alive inside all of us. And hype is the thing that keeps us all going from day to day. HYPE is HYPE. Also, agree on DAN and STAN. Never got why liking one automatically meant you had to hate the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 11:31:28 GMT
My controversial opinion has to do with Stannis as well.I don't hate him, but I absolutely don't get the love he receives from the internet. To me he has always been just a secondary character who thinks he does the right thing, but is actually a really harsh and even borderline bad man (in books and show both). The important characters in that part of the story are Davos and Mel, IMO, and not Stannis. I also don't get why Dany and Stannis are constantly compared with each other. I'm not a fan of either of them, but to me it has always been clear that Dany (a major POV character in the books) is actually of importance for the endgame. Something that cannot be said for Stannis, IMO. I also think that the parallels are rather on the Cersei/Daenerys (compare their FfC and DwD arcs) and Jon/Daenerys (ice and fire) side of things. Please don't hang me, Stannis fans. I'm sorry! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 11:44:39 GMT
My controversial opinion has to do with Stannis as well.I don't hate him, but I absolutely don't get the love he receives from the internet. To me he has always been just a secondary character who thinks he does the right thing, but is actually a really harsh and even borderline bad man (in books and show both). The important characters in that part of the story are Davos and Mel, IMO, and not Stannis. I also don't get why Dany and Stannis are constantly compared with each other. I'm not a fan of either of them, but to me it has always been clear that Dany (a major POV character in the books) is actually of importance for the endgame. Something that cannot be said for Stannis, IMO. I also think that the parallels are rather on the Cersei/Daenerys (compare their FfC and DwD arcs) and Jon/Daenerys (ice and fire) side of things. Please don't hang me, Stannis fans. I'm sorry! Do you have any last words? |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Aug 13, 2015 11:53:22 GMT
My controversial opinion has to do with Stannis as well.I don't hate him, but I absolutely don't get the love he receives from the internet. To me he has always been just a secondary character who thinks he does the right thing, but is actually a really harsh and even borderline bad man (in books and show both). The important characters in that part of the story are Davos and Mel, IMO, and not Stannis. I also don't get why Dany and Stannis are constantly compared with each other. I'm not a fan of either of them, but to me it has always been clear that Dany (a major POV character in the books) is actually of importance for the endgame. Something that cannot be said for Stannis, IMO. I also think that the parallels are rather on the Cersei/Daenerys (compare their FfC and DwD arcs) and Jon/Daenerys (ice and fire) side of things. Please don't hang me, Stannis fans. I'm sorry! Stannis is is not your Lady. He does not hang.  He burns!  |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 11:56:49 GMT
My controversial opinion has to do with Stannis as well.I don't hate him, but I absolutely don't get the love he receives from the internet. To me he has always been just a secondary character who thinks he does the right thing, but is actually a really harsh and even borderline bad man (in books and show both). The important characters in that part of the story are Davos and Mel, IMO, and not Stannis. I also don't get why Dany and Stannis are constantly compared with each other. I'm not a fan of either of them, but to me it has always been clear that Dany (a major POV character in the books) is actually of importance for the endgame. Something that cannot be said for Stannis, IMO. I also think that the parallels are rather on the Cersei/Daenerys (compare their FfC and DwD arcs) and Jon/Daenerys (ice and fire) side of things. Please don't hang me, Stannis fans. I'm sorry! I am very fond of Stan but I agree that he is in many ways a red herring (you get it? har har). I think that for sure Mel is the most important member of Team Dragonstone and that his getting her to the Wall (after his aggravating of the Wot5k in ACOK, that is) was his most important plot function. He's what leads Mel to Jon (and his leading Mel to Jon is likely why she mistook him for AA in the first place, because he is what led her to her latest AA candidate) and also a forewarning to the reader to know that it's bad news that Dany will soon become embroiled in all of this R'hollorist business. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:14:49 GMT
Also, agree on DAN and STAN. Never got why liking one automatically meant you had to hate the other. Yeah. Once I bumped into some folks at YouTube who were bitching to me why I "chose" Stannis instead of Dany. Lol what. I don't choose to like or not to like characters. I just do or do not. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:15:46 GMT
I can't really think of one that's too out there really. Even if I said "I don't give a shit who lives and dies so long as the story stays good", which is true, I'm sure plenty of people would agree with me. Or if I admitted that I'm very attracted to bookCersei and book-and-showMel precisely because of how batshit they are. I'm sure that'd be an acceptable sentiment on many corners of the internet too. And voicing one's like of the Boltons is hardly controversial anymore. There's a whole subreddit for ffs. Maybe that I think Dany and Stannis are very similar characters who I like just about equally but who's cults of personality within the fandom piss me off to no end? That's not too novel an idea, come to think of it. Or that I prefer ep. 510 to ep. 508? Or that I like s5 better than s1? Yeah, that one probably counts. How about this...I'll probably never read ADOS because I imagine by the time it comes out I'll have moved on from GrrM's world and the fandom and will be happy enough with the show's ending? Is that controversial? Even still. Probably not. I've always felt that Stannis and Danny were like yin-and-yang. I'm one of the few people who love both characters, I'm surprised people get so divisive and choose one camp or the other, because they're quite similar. I love them because they're both constantly on the edge, and either could easily fall into the grips of madness. They have the ability to use their power for good or bad, either way they will feel justified in their actions because of their convictions. This makes them two of the most dangerous characters in the series. They are opposite sides of the same coin, Stannis is probably a better person than many perceive and Dany perhaps not as good of a person as she appears to be. I know extreme elements of the fandom can be obnoxious, though. When a poster gets blinded by love for a character and justifies each atrocity a character commits then it just gets scary. Stannis and Dany both did awful things, but that just makes them more compelling to me. As for riding the hype train, it's all just part of the fun. Some of the memes are created with tongue in cheek, just a colorful element of the fandom. But I know one or two posters get annoyed by my hype-mongering on this forum. Err... I certainly don't do that with Roose! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:20:17 GMT
I've always felt that Stannis and Danny were like yin-and-yang. I'm one of the few people who love both characters, I'm surprised people get so divisive and choose one camp or the other, because they're quite similar. I love them because they're both constantly on the edge, and either could easily fall into the grips of madness. They have the ability to use their power for good or bad, either way they will feel justified in their actions because of their convictions. This makes them two of the most dangerous characters in the series. They are opposite sides of the same coin, Stannis is probably a better person than many perceive and Dany perhaps not as good of a person as she appears to be. I know extreme elements of the fandom can be obnoxious, though. When a poster gets blinded by love for a character and justifies each atrocity a character commits then it just gets scary. Stannis and Dany both did awful things, but that just makes them more compelling to me. As for riding the hype train, it's all just part of the fun. Some of the memes are created with tongue in cheek, just a colorful element of the fandom. But I know one or two posters get annoyed by my hype-mongering on this forum. Err... I certainly don't do that with Roose! I'd hate to read your rants if the show takes away Roose's agency.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:22:42 GMT
Err... I certainly don't do that with Roose! I'd hate to read your rants if the show takes away Roose's agency.. When Roose didn't say "Rue the day" or "peaceful land, a quiet people", I started yelling. But I didn't do it in Internet. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:25:46 GMT
I'd hate to read your rants if the show takes away Roose's agency.. When Roose didn't say "Rue the day" or "peaceful land, a quiet people", I started yelling. But I didn't do it in Internet. I think I scared the shit out of my neighbors by screaming when Barristan Selmy died. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:27:44 GMT
When Roose didn't say "Rue the day" or "peaceful land, a quiet people", I started yelling. But I didn't do it in Internet. I think I scared the shit out of my neighbors by screaming when Barristan Selmy died. When I first saw "The Children" I yelled two times "Y U NO TYSHA???" and "WHERE'S LSH???" |
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Post by Basil on Aug 13, 2015 12:31:46 GMT
I think I scared the shit out of my neighbors by screaming when Barristan Selmy died. When I first saw "The Children" I yelled two times "Y U NO TYSHA???" and "WHERE'S LSH???" When I first saw The Children with no LSH, I felt suicidal. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:33:28 GMT
When I first saw "The Children" I yelled two times "Y U NO TYSHA???" and "WHERE'S LSH???" When I first saw The Children with no LSH, I felt suicidal. I remember stupidly first thinking that Tywin would tell Tyrion about Tysha for some reason before he kills him, but that didn't happen. Then I thought that Varys'd tell it. Fuck. With LSH, I dumbly thought that she'd appear after the credits.. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:40:32 GMT
Is it controversial to say I like Arya's AFFC and ADWD chapters? I just love Venice so much. So when a fantasy novel gives us a pseudo-Venice, I take the bait. (And assassins in Venice brings me back to Assassin's Creed 2).
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:42:35 GMT
I actually stopped watching episode 10 after Stannis died and watched the rest later.
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Post by Basil on Aug 13, 2015 12:43:10 GMT
When I first saw The Children with no LSH, I felt suicidal. I remember stupidly first thinking that Tywin would tell Tyrion about Tysha for some reason before he kills him, but that didn't happen. Then I thought that Varys'd tell it. Fuck. With LSH, I dumbly thought that she'd appear after the credits.. When Brienne encountered Arya and Clegane, I secretly knew that there was no hope left for my beloved UnCat ...  I would've liked it, if they had given us the Tysha backstory, but I honestly can't say that I miss the whole "Where do whores go?" thing Tyrion had going on in the books. That's actually one aspect of the show I think they did better than the books, Tyrion's journey in ADwD was tiresome. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:50:26 GMT
I remember stupidly first thinking that Tywin would tell Tyrion about Tysha for some reason before he kills him, but that didn't happen. Then I thought that Varys'd tell it. Fuck. With LSH, I dumbly thought that she'd appear after the credits.. When Brienne encountered Arya and Clegane, I secretly knew that there was no hope left for my beloved UnCat ... I would've liked it, if they had given us the Tysha backstory, but I honestly can't say that I miss the whole "Where do whores go?" thing Tyrion had going on in the books. That's actually one aspect of the show I think they did better than the books, Tyrion's journey in ADwD was tiresome. True. The journey was lots better and tbh I also don't really miss that line. But the reason for killing Tywin in the show was basically "u r mean and don't like me, u wanted me ded, i kill u now", which Tyrion has known since he was a toddler. If I were him, I had killed Cersei for accusing him in the first place. Tywin knew Tyrion didn't do it, he just used the opportunity to get Tyrion out of his world, either to the Wall or the Seven Hells. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2015 12:55:17 GMT
Two of my favorite characters who I rarely mention are favorite characters (because they're second tier behind the usual suspects) are the Hound and Brienne. So when they fought each other in the show, I watched it through my fingers. I was terrified one of them was going to kill the other. I was so happy when it ended with Sandor falling off the cliff and getting left by Arya, because I fully believe he'll be back as the gravedigger.
Now that I know how it ends, I like watching that scene over and over.
I love Cersei. I hate her, but I love her.
I caught on to R+L=J all by myself on the my first reading of Game of Thrones. I'm pretty proud of that. I never would have guessed the Hound was the gravedigger without having read it on a forum first. But now that I know the theory, it seems really obvious to me.
I believe that Jon, Dany, and Tyrion are the three heads of the dragon, and the three of them together are necessary to fulfill the prophesy of AA, the Prince that was Promised, etc.
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Post by Basil on Aug 13, 2015 13:03:36 GMT
But the reason for killing Tywin in the show was basically "u r mean and don't like me, u wanted me ded, i kill u now", which Tyrion has known since he was a toddler. If I were him, I had killed Cersei for accusing him in the first place. Tywin knew Tyrion didn't do it, he just used the opportunity to get Tyrion out of his world, either to the Wall or the Seven Hells. I agree with that, and as I said, I wish Jaime had mentioned Tysha and I wish the scenes between him and Tyrion, and the one between Tyrion and Tywin, had played out more or less the same way as in the books. Although, let's be real, it probably wouldn't have worked. In the books, Tyrion thinks about Tysha a lot, so the reader always knows who she is and what happened to her. In the show, she was mentioned ... once, I think, back in Season 1, so most people have most likely forgotten about her already. Compared to many other changes (no LSH, no Riverlands so far, no northern lords, Dorne, Selmy's death, the whole Stannis/Shireen thing, etc.) - this one doesn't bother me in the slightest. On the contrary, I'm glad Show!Tyrion didn't make the search for Tysha his new top priority in life. |
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