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Post by Admin on Aug 16, 2016 22:08:05 GMT
Holy shit this stuff Jared had to say about Suicide Squad during Camp Mars, I linked on previous page, was according to one fan. Thing is that the other fangirls who were there say that he didn't say that. And me being me when someone posted the quote on the SHH, I posted the source on tumblr which I saw post it And then Batman News picked up the info from SHH, I imagine. And then all hell broke loose. There are fangirls arguing with each other on tumblr and twitter now over what he did or did not say What if they find me?  Jesus Christ now mayor news outlets are reporting the story from that tumblr  On second thought I am not mentioning it in my RF at all...this never happened. NEVER HAPPENED. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 16, 2016 22:12:33 GMT
 what did you think of Harley/Joker ? Did you understand the dynamic or was it confusing? and that fucking soundtrack thoughts? The soundtrack was awful. Some of those songs are good on their own, but put together in this, it was pretty terrible. It's like they decided in post production that they wanted to cater to middle schoolers. I actually wanted to ask you about their dynamic. It's been a while since I've watched the Batman cartoon, but I remember finding their relationship to be largely one sided on Harley's part. Here he was the one pursuing her, and she honestly came off as the scarier of the two. Like Joker should've been HER mistress. They didn't gice their relationship the time to show how twisted it could've been and it was nothing like I remember it being, nor how I expected it to be. That shit during chemical bath yes? Oh God! yeah they shot a bunch of stuff with Joker abusing her but WB decided the audience cannot handle that shit. Joker - the romantic hero |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 16, 2016 23:00:35 GMT
I think their relationship was very...um, new lol, but I was very into. Comments by Jared and Margot and Ayer have kind of proven how different this JokerHarley (Jarley, I'm starting it) is.
In my mind, Harleen was always crazy, the Joker just unlocked it. He staring seducing her, drawing the craziness out of her, during their sessions, getting her to act upon ("I need a machine gun"), and finally, much to her pleasure, he fried her brains and showed her her true self.
The Joker sees her as a kindred spirit, like his muse. Ayer and Leto says he's very protective of her, and obsessed with her. She's like a trophy to him, and he's reluctantly in love with her. He hates it, and she frustrated him and annoys the shit out of him, but he just cannot get rid of her. And as much of a badass and a loner as he is, as soon as she's taken from him, all he wants to do is get her back. And if anyone tries to get between them (Monster T), they're dead.
Sorry for the essay lol
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 0:28:22 GMT
^and yet they didn't convey any of that, not that they had the time in that platform which is a shame. It just made their relationship seem so strange.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 1:13:43 GMT
Admin It's really sad how much longer my reviews get when I'm complaining about something vs gushing. I like to be concise, but it's not working for me tonight.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Aug 17, 2016 1:15:30 GMT
^and yet they didn't convey any of that, not that they had the time in that platform which is a shame. It just made their relationship seem so strange. yeah I think since Joker and Harley were the big draw to this movie, it's very frustrating that they're actually a pretty minor subplot. I'm just making assumptions based on the movie and comments from the director and actors. If they hadn't cut all the Joker scenes, maybe we'd be having a different conversation. Hopefully Blessed Batfleck will flesh them out a little more wherever they end up. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2016 5:40:37 GMT
Admin It's really sad how much longer my reviews get when I'm complaining about something vs gushing. I like to be concise, but it's not working for me tonight. I'm the same. I can shit on stuff for hours The only thing that is longer are RFs as perving is even worse with me. In other news these godless motherfuckers cut Leto in his underwear from this: http://instagram.com/p/BIrjx1xB2sW That's just...criminal |
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Post by Enid on Aug 17, 2016 13:49:41 GMT
Well, I finally went to see it (not gonna lie, I was way more excited about the film before the bad reviews) and it's pretty bad. The main problem is the editing, the poor film has been chopped to pieces, probably by someone who had a team of WB suits watching his every move instead of the director of the film, and the result is that the film is rushed and undeveloped, despite dedicating half the film to introducing the concept and the characters. The first half is the worst, because you can see that the end result is not what was planned when the filming took place. Everything points to either Waller's restaurant scene being the opening of the movie, with her presenting all the characters through that binder (the shot that shows the binder with the character files is too dynamic to be a simple detail shot like it was used in the theatrical release), including the scenes showing the abuse Harley and Deadshot suffer at the hands of the soldiers, or it was about Harley, Deadshot and others being caught and then forced into the squad. Instead we have some character introductions via exposition and flashbacks, a whole bunch of exposition, and then they quickly introduce whatever characters they forgot to introduce earlier.
Enchantress whole motivation was that she and her brother used to be treated like gods and now humanity has forgotten about them. Not that Enchantress is pissed because Waller is using her against her will and has taken her heart hostage, which doesn't end up mattering that much, because she has a convenient brother who can help her survive Waller stabbing her heart. Is also quite stupid on Waller's part to take such good care of the heart while failing to have any security measures protecting the brother's figurine.
The way they changed around the Joker scenes made his subplot distracting and pointless. The way it was done in the movie, it would have been better to just have him in the final scene in which he breaks Harley out of prison. And the marketing is selling him too much.
The casting was really good though, and is a shame their work didn't end up in a better movie. I hope they release a director's cut of the film, because I'm interested in the movie this was supposed to be.
ETA: they way they used the music was very annoying too for two reasons: a) they used it way too much at the beginning of the film, it was almost like listening to a radio station and b) it didn't feel natural, it felt like they were trying to recreate GOTG except that movie is way better because the director had a clear vision of what he wanted, a good script, and a studio that allowed the director to do his damn job.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 16:18:38 GMT
Is also quite stupid on Waller's part to take such good care of the heart while failing to have any security measures protecting the brother's figurine. THIS! There were so many head scratchers with the writing in this film. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2016 16:28:00 GMT
Is also quite stupid on Waller's part to take such good care of the heart while failing to have any security measures protecting the brother's figurine. THIS! There were so many head scratchers with the writing in this film. I really think Snyder who approves stories, as friendly as he seems, may be slow People go "Ayer wrote the script in 6 weeks" and yes it is short but here is how to do a better job in 6 seconds ( sans lines ): 1. Open google 2. Type "Assault on Arham" + plot 3. Hit enter |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 16:45:20 GMT
THIS! There were so many head scratchers with the writing in this film. I really think Snyder who approves stories, as friendly as he seems, may be slow People go "Ayer wrote the script in 6 weeks" and yes it is short but here is how to do a better job in 6 seconds ( sans lines ): 1. Open google 2. Type "Assault on Arham" + plot 3. Hit enter I'm sure plenty of writers have written better scripts in less than 6 weeks, so I never got why people were making that excuse. But it's simple shit like that they should've explained. Like Deadshot choosing not to shoot Harley when everything he wanted was offered to him...that made no sense. What loyalty did he have to her? She just bailed on him. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2016 17:07:29 GMT
I really think Snyder who approves stories, as friendly as he seems, may be slow People go "Ayer wrote the script in 6 weeks" and yes it is short but here is how to do a better job in 6 seconds ( sans lines ): 1. Open google 2. Type "Assault on Arham" + plot 3. Hit enter I'm sure plenty of writers have written better scripts in less than 6 weeks, so I never got why people were making that excuse. But it's simple shit like that they should've explained. Like Deadshot choosing not to shoot Harley when everything he wanted was offered to him...that made no sense. What loyalty did he have to her? She just bailed on him. I remember that movie through a fog of disappointment and trying not to fall down whenever Leto moaned but wasn't there a line from Deadshot that he doesn't kill women and children? The real royal fuck up is Harley choosing those random hookers and saying they are her friends over Mister J being resurrected. I'd murder them all |
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Post by boojam on Aug 17, 2016 17:20:56 GMT
I really think Snyder who approves stories, as friendly as he seems, may be slow People go "Ayer wrote the script in 6 weeks" and yes it is short but here is how to do a better job in 6 seconds ( sans lines ): 1. Open google 2. Type "Assault on Arham" + plot 3. Hit enter I'm sure plenty of writers have written better scripts in less than 6 weeks, so I never got why people were making that excuse. But it's simple shit like that they should've explained. Like Deadshot choosing not to shoot Harley when everything he wanted was offered to him...that made no sense. What loyalty did he have to her? She just bailed on him. I think Ayer is a good enough screenwriter, but tell ya, I was a bit underwhelmed by Harsh Times, End of Watch and Fury ... he seems more a good journeyman , this should have been his break out film ... as of right now seems it got away from him. Like he had a target but missed it. Of course no telling what went on with Warner. The additional production time may have been interference rather than augmentation. |
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Post by Enid on Aug 17, 2016 18:09:17 GMT
I read somewhere that there are several cuts of the film the studio ordered because they had no idea what to do with it, thats why I want a directors cut, too see how badly WB fucked it up
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 18:11:47 GMT
I'm sure plenty of writers have written better scripts in less than 6 weeks, so I never got why people were making that excuse. But it's simple shit like that they should've explained. Like Deadshot choosing not to shoot Harley when everything he wanted was offered to him...that made no sense. What loyalty did he have to her? She just bailed on him. I think Ayer is a good enough screenwriter, but tell ya, I was a bit underwhelmed by Harsh Times, End of Watch and Fury I liked all three of those. I'm shocked the same person who directed those turned out this mess. |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 18:12:33 GMT
I'm sure plenty of writers have written better scripts in less than 6 weeks, so I never got why people were making that excuse. But it's simple shit like that they should've explained. Like Deadshot choosing not to shoot Harley when everything he wanted was offered to him...that made no sense. What loyalty did he have to her? She just bailed on him. I remember that movie through a fog of disappointment and trying not to fall down whenever Leto moaned but wasn't there a line from Deadshot that he doesn't kill women and children? He did say that, but I feel like if his daughter was on the table he's say "fuck that" pretty quickly. |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2016 18:29:37 GMT
Well, I finally went to see it (not gonna lie, I was way more excited about the film before the bad reviews) and it's pretty bad. The main problem is the editing, the poor film has been chopped to pieces, probably by someone who had a team of WB suits watching his every move instead of the director of the film, and the result is that the film is rushed and undeveloped, despite dedicating half the film to introducing the concept and the characters. The first half is the worst, because you can see that the end result is not what was planned when the filming took place. Everything points to either Waller's restaurant scene being the opening of the movie, with her presenting all the characters through that binder (the shot that shows the binder with the character files is too dynamic to be a simple detail shot like it was used in the theatrical release), including the scenes showing the abuse Harley and Deadshot suffer at the hands of the soldiers, or it was about Harley, Deadshot and others being caught and then forced into the squad. Instead we have some character introductions via exposition and flashbacks, a whole bunch of exposition, and then they quickly introduce whatever characters they forgot to introduce earlier. Enchantress whole motivation was that she and her brother used to be treated like gods and now humanity has forgotten about them. Not that Enchantress is pissed because Waller is using her against her will and has taken her heart hostage, which doesn't end up mattering that much, because she has a convenient brother who can help her survive Waller stabbing her heart. Is also quite stupid on Waller's part to take such good care of the heart while failing to have any security measures protecting the brother's figurine. The way they changed around the Joker scenes made his subplot distracting and pointless. The way it was done in the movie, it would have been better to just have him in the final scene in which he breaks Harley out of prison. And the marketing is selling him too much. The casting was really good though, and is a shame their work didn't end up in a better movie. I hope they release a director's cut of the film, because I'm interested in the movie this was supposed to be. ETA: they way they used the music was very annoying too for two reasons: a) they used it way too much at the beginning of the film, it was almost like listening to a radio station and b) it didn't feel natural, it felt like they were trying to recreate GOTG except that movie is way better because the director had a clear vision of what he wanted, a good script, and a studio that allowed the director to do his damn job. Actually it's not even the studio who edited the movie. The execs liked the Bohemian Rhapsody trailer so much....they gave the movie to edit to the production company which made the trailer. I don't think it even ever happened before. That level of stupidity is quite literally unprecedentent. Yep, having mentioned Joker only and him showing up in the end, preferably with people not even knowing Leto was cast would drive people nuts. Even if the film was as bad as it was with him showing up surprisingly and the reveal Leto is playing the Joker people would be shitting themselves. But they wanted all NOW - not set up the universe properly and just roll with everything they have - Batman facing Superman, Justice League and Joker in a movie all at the beginning. It's horrible planning. I'm sure Leto would be cool with just a cameo for now but they pitched him a big supporting role so he did his thing, worked hard and then the studio totally butchered his work and removed his scenes WHILE still involving him in marketing. It's just...there are no words. I read somewhere that there are several cuts of the film the studio ordered because they had no idea what to do with it, thats why I want a directors cut, too see how badly WB fucked it up They have to release DC now. If only because as the state of affairs is Leto is being pitied and considered a victim. People imagine the film really is good with his scenes in. They should release it because then there will be people who will consider his whole performance bad (it's just my luck ), now the benefit of the doubt goes to the Academy award winning actor not to the studio that has fucked up massively |
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Post by Admin on Aug 17, 2016 18:49:15 GMT
tumblr outrage. Launch bombs at WB fellow crazy fans |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 17, 2016 19:41:52 GMT
I feel shoved into a corner regarding the Joker. On one hand, more of him would've helped Harley's story and may have made it a bit more coherent, but then there would be more of a Joker I didn't care for. If they hadn't centered marketing around him, I'd wonder if the reason they cut his scenes was because they weren't happy with this version? Like maybe it was too different?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Aug 17, 2016 19:43:28 GMT
I agree wrt the music, especially at the start. Obviously they wanted to give each character their own song, but it really didn't work and was inserted in a really clunky way that meant that part of the film didn't flow at all. Like, you could almost imagine a child gluing together bits of paper to make an image, but not lining the edges up properly. That's how that opening sequence ended up looking.
Amanda Waller, for all she was badass and villainous, was monumentally stupid for not protecting Enchantress' brothers' effigy. And Enchantress surviving Waller stabbing the heart was equally eye roll inducing. What was the point of her being bound by Waller's control of the heart if it was going to be overcome so easily. And if Enchantress can get military records from top secret and presumably highly secure locations many many miles away, why the hell cant she just take her heart back herself?
Also, what was her "weapon" actually supposed to be, and how exactly was she "building" it? Far as I could tell she just did some weird kind of modern techno dancing while there were some crazy disco lights and a swirling ring of confetti above her. I mean, confetti cannons and strobe lighting have been known to floor me whilst inebriated, but I don't think they quite cut the mustard for issuing in the darkness and enslaving humanity
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