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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 3, 2016 20:42:37 GMT
I think we are all forgetting a certain blue eyed Wildling who thinks Shireen and her Greyscale are dangerous and she should have been put to death. IMO she is just as likely as Mel to have Shireen killed. Or perhaps the two reach an agreement together. Would Val burn her though? Wildlings have been burning bodies to stop them becoming Wights, so not unthinkable. And if it was some collaboration with Mel it would be even more likely |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 18, 2016 16:28:20 GMT
Does anyone else think Jon's resurrection on the show was too easy? What, just some words to bring someone back to life? But to win a battle and melt some snow a child had to be burned alive? Riiight. I don't buy it. I'm thinking Shireen being sacrificed has to be involved whether it works directly or not.
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Post by mattpeto on May 18, 2016 16:54:20 GMT
Does anyone else think Jon's resurrection on the show was too easy? What, just some words to bring someone back to life? But to win a battle and melt some snow a child had to be burned alive? Riiight. I don't buy it. I'm thinking Shireen being sacrificed has to be involved whether it works directly or not. Yeah he kind of came back like relatively normal like show-book: Beric. I hope Stannis goes out like a punk in the books now. I'm over the dude personally. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 18:17:35 GMT
Does anyone else think Jon's resurrection on the show was too easy? What, just some words to bring someone back to life? But to win a battle and melt some snow a child had to be burned alive? Riiight. I don't buy it. I'm thinking Shireen being sacrificed has to be involved whether it works directly or not. I'm sure Shireen will be burned to bring back Stannis. It doesn't work but instead it wakes up Jon. Selyse kills herself out of guilt, Mel decides that Jon is AAR. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on May 18, 2016 20:53:16 GMT
Does anyone else think Jon's resurrection on the show was too easy? What, just some words to bring someone back to life? But to win a battle and melt some snow a child had to be burned alive? Riiight. I don't buy it. I'm thinking Shireen being sacrificed has to be involved whether it works directly or not. I'm sure Shireen will be burned to bring back Stannis. It doesn't work but instead it wakes up Jon. Selyse kills herself out of guilt, Mel decides that Jon is AAR. Yeah I'm thinking this is exactly how it goes too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:37:42 GMT
I think we are all forgetting a certain blue eyed Wildling who thinks Shireen and her Greyscale are dangerous and she should have been put to death. IMO she is just as likely as Mel to have Shireen killed. Or perhaps the two reach an agreement together. Would Val burn her though? i think the difference is Val wouldn't burn her alive. That would be entirely Mel because that's part of her faith. |
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2016 22:42:22 GMT
Does anyone else think Jon's resurrection on the show was too easy? What, just some words to bring someone back to life? But to win a battle and melt some snow a child had to be burned alive? Riiight. I don't buy it. I'm thinking Shireen being sacrificed has to be involved whether it works directly or not. There was obviously more to it than just Mel doing a bit of chanting. Whether it was Shireen's burning or something else, we'll never know. The mechanics behind the magic in this show/the books are deliberately ambiguous and I doubt that's ever going to change. |
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Post by lordcarson on May 18, 2016 22:43:38 GMT
Does anyone else think Jon's resurrection on the show was too easy? What, just some words to bring someone back to life? But to win a battle and melt some snow a child had to be burned alive? Riiight. I don't buy it. I'm thinking Shireen being sacrificed has to be involved whether it works directly or not. Yeah he kind of came back like relatively normal like show-book: Beric. I hope Stannis goes out like a punk in the books now. I'm over the dude personally.  |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on May 19, 2016 20:33:40 GMT
I assume it will go like this in the books: Stannis wins the Frey host at the frozen lake, but loses at the gates of Winterfell. At the Wall Mel & Selyse hear about his demise and try to resurrect him by burning Shireen alive. That does nothing for Stan, but Jon Snow opens his eyes. I don't think Shireen's death will revive Jon. Shireen's burning is based on the idea she has King's blood. However there is a really very large question mark hovering over Stannis's status. Is he a King? He has some followers, yes, but not many, and not even all of the Crownlands bannermen whose overloard he was supposed to be. He certainly was never acknowledged as King of Westeros. If Stannis is not a King, Shireen's King's blood rests on more distant ancestry. Which makes it a much less powerful thing. I don't think it has the power to work as Kingsblood magic. It would just be a burning, nothing much more.King Blood is very sketchy. Legally, Stannis is king. The whole "one true king" thing rests on that. The question you want to ask isn't whether it's legitimate, it's what qualifies as King's blood? Does it require sitting on the throne? Relation to a king? Does it require followers? Does Balon, Robb or Joffrey have king's blood? Is it to do with the Targeryens? Gendry (who is Stannis' nephew) clearly had King's blood, the leech deaths are too coincidental to be otherwise. Shireen's burning caused the snow to melt, that's nearly un-debatable, weather doesn't just dissipate like that without a cause. If you're gonna say there's no power in Kings blood, then you kind of have to disprove a of the evidence that points to the conclusion that King's blood is far more powerful than we think. After all, Mel couldn't raise the dead before this could she? The theme of the entire series is sacrifice. Sacrifice is the theme of the series, from Dany killing Drogo and burning him 'waking the dragons from stone', the faceless men and the god of death, the ritual sacrafices of R'Hollor and the ritualistic corpse circles of the White Walkers, the vows of the Night's Watch, Azor Ahai, Blood Magic, Jojen Paste theories, Ned's 'sacrifice' of his honor. To look past all of this and say "sacrifice does nothing" means that you've disregarded one of the most consistent themes in the entire story, and say Sacrifice doesn't work is too vague when you don't back it up with evidence. |
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Post by Mecha-StannisForever on May 19, 2016 20:38:11 GMT
I think we are all forgetting a certain blue eyed Wildling who thinks Shireen and her Greyscale are dangerous and she should have been put to death. IMO she is just as likely as Mel to have Shireen killed. Or perhaps the two reach an agreement together. Would Val burn her though? No, she said a mercy killing. Though, I don't think she'd be too quick to stop the burning... |
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