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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 25, 2015 8:00:50 GMT
Time for everyone to have their own crow and eat it too!
Got Wrong:
1. I was definitely in the camp that Stoneheart would show up this season. Twas disappointed after Brienne showed up at Winterfell. Jumped off the bandwagon there.
2. Thought for sure they'd axe Kevan and have the White Raven, along with Varys back in KL. Nope.
3. Didn't think there was any chance 5.09 would be named anything except "Daznak," given "Blackwater" and "Baelor."
4. I thought Manderly would show up because he had to tie hope into the story.
5. Thought Yara would be back for sure.
6. Thought we'd get a namedrop somewhere this season for Euron.
7. After the 4 episodes leaked, I thought Brienne would show bravery with Sansa/Theon and be knighted by Stannis.
8. I thought for sure we'd get Theon and the weirwood.
9. I thought for sure Harry Lloyd would cameo for Viserys in the finale.
10. I thought Aegon VI would show up in some way, and Varys would support him over Dany. The "who said anything about him" stuff would be a fake out.
11. I did not think Littlefinger would be oblivious to Ramsay's shenanigans.
12. I expected the Freys to show up in Winterfell until 5.06 or so.
13. I thought I would really enjoy Dorne, even after episode 5.04, despite the lackluster Sand Snake scene.
14. Sam would show up in Braavos late in the season before Meryn Trant.
15. Doran would give his Fire and Blood speech.
16. Bronn would die in Dorne.
17. I thought there was a solid chance Balon would die or at least show up this season.
18. I thought Jon would in some way betray his vows.
19. Drogon would be absolutely huge when he showed up to Daznak (he looked the same size as 5.02) and I thought Daznak wouldn't be so campy.
20. I thought Strong Belwas would show up as a pitfighter (they had the perfect opportunity too with the Strong guy versus the Quick guy, and the strong guy winning. It would have been awesome if the quick guy cut the Belwas' belly and Daario was like "yeah see, see" and then Belwas took his head off, Daario got dejected, and Hizdahr could say "Heh, Belwas always lets him leave at least one cut on his belly as a trophy."
21. I did not think Dany would know Tyrion's identity at Daznak. I thought he would be presented as a gift slave to Dany and Hizdahr would insist they take him to honor their traditions, and Dany would agree under the auspicious the poor little guy would be let free after they had peace.
Got Right:
1. Sansa in Winterfell
2. We would get the Battle of Winterfell in the show (but I thought it would be like the books where we'd part one, and maybe a part two where Stannis appeared to be caught in a trap)
3. Stannis would ambiguously "die." (but didn't think it would be like that)
4. I was very certain they wouldn't mention the book name of "Ser Robert Strong" when he showed up. I thought Qyburn might end up mumbling part of it, though like "Ser Rob-hhrr- Strong, Your Grace."
5. I was concerned about the CGI surrounding Cersei's body double (it wasn't near as wonky as I wondering if it might be though)
6. I thought there was a fair chance Shireen would burn towards midseason, but not like that. At all.
7. I thought Dany's arc would end like the books, which it pretty much did.
8. I didn't believe in any of the false leaked Stoneheart-esque episode summaries (except for the midseason episode summaries that were retracted).
9. Theon and Sansa, with Sansa kind of helping to save Theon through convincing him he was still Theon, rather him just rescuing her like a damsel in distress.
10. Sam would go to Oldtown.
11. Myrcella would not escape unscathed like she appeared in the behind the scenes 5.09 shot. (but I didn't think she'd presumably die)
12. I thought there was a real 50%+ chance we wouldn't get the Pink Letter.
13. Thought there was a better chance than not Jorah would get greyscale after 5.03.
14. Hardhome would be really awesome.
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2015 8:02:39 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 8:21:49 GMT
I'll just step in to once more eat crow about being so wrong about how the WF arc would play out when everyone was theorizing that Sansa would marry Rams and I was in extreme denial. Funny thing was I ended up really loving that arc.
One big takeaway from s5, as someone who followed the production news thoroughly, is that we shouldn't expect important roles to show up that weren't on the casting calls. Aside from Karsi who was a gender-swapped version of what showVaramyr would've been, there were no big parts this year that were outside of the casting calls, so the argument that myself and many others employed last year during s5's production that, "maybe _______ wasn't on the casting calls because they just gave it to someone more famous and didn't hold auditions for it at all" should be allowed to die. That should fix our expectations some for s6, I think.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 25, 2015 9:07:16 GMT
That kind of reminds me of a scene at the end of Casino Royale (2006) (and if anyone here hasn't seen it, go treat yourself to a good film), where at the end: M goes in to interview Bond and they discuss Le Chiffre (OMG Mads for Euron Fanboy hyypppee!) and Matthis. Le Chiffre had previously said Matthis was "his Matthis." In light of this info, Matthis was previously tasered and taken for questioning. Events unfolded that seemed to confirm Le Chiffre was full of Le Shiit, and Matthis was innocent. M says this to Bond, and Bond says it doesn't confirm he's innocent, question him. And M says, something like "you're learning." Subsequently Matthis is severely interrogated. The results are then presented in Quantum of Solace (which is a crap movie IMO), where: Matthis was really innocent. The moral of the story is just because something appears one way due to information you learn doesn't exonerate other possibilities. It may very well be that that paradigm for Season 5 won't hold up for predictions towards Season 6 due to changes in leaks due to what happened with leaks during the production of S5. However, it may very well be that that does end up holding up just the same. In any case, I'm going to approach it with the same degree of skepticism as before, but things might totally unfold differently anyway (there may not be a New Cast video at ComicCon like last year, or ever, thereby hiding a whole bunch of major castings) Furthermore, some roles are also larger or smaller than they appear. I don't think any of us really expected the Baratheon General to have such a large role this season as he did in the last episode, and others be so small. Even though the BG served the same kind of sidekick role as Areo Hotah, the Baratheon General felt like he still had a larger role with better material than Areo (at least to me, even though he only showed up in one episode). The same thing is true in the opposite direction. The "Winterfell Worker" was the biggest fart in predictions this season. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 9:14:50 GMT
That kind of reminds me of a scene at the end of Casino Royale (2006) (and if anyone here hasn't seen it, go treat yourself to a good film), where at the end: M goes in to interview Bond and they discuss Le Chiffre (OMG Mads for Euron Fanboy hyypppee!) and Matthis. Le Chiffre had previously said Matthis was "his Matthis." In light of this info, Matthis was previously tasered and taken for questioning. Events unfolded that seemed to confirm Le Chiffre was full of Le Shiit, and Matthis was innocent. M says this to Bond, and Bond says it doesn't confirm he's innocent, question him. And M says, something like "you're learning." Subsequently Matthis is severely interrogated. The results are then presented in Quantum of Solace (which is a crap movie IMO), where: Matthis was really innocent. The moral of the story is just because something appears one way due to information you learn doesn't exonerate other possibilities. It may very well be that that paradigm for Season 5 won't hold up for predictions towards Season 6 due to changes in leaks due to what happened with leaks during the production of S5. However, it may very well be that that does end up holding up just the same. In any case, I'm going to approach it with the same degree of skepticism as before, but things might totally unfold differently anyway (there may not be a New Cast video at ComicCon like last year, or ever, thereby hiding a whole bunch of major castings) Furthermore, some roles are also larger or smaller than they appear. I don't think any of us really expected the Baratheon General to have such a large role this season as he did in the last episode, and others be so small. Even though the BG served the same kind of sidekick role as Areo Hotah, the Baratheon General felt like he still had a larger role with better material than Areo (at least to me, even though he only showed up in one episode). The same thing is true in the opposite direction. The "Winterfell Worker" was the biggest fart in predictions this season. Yeah that Baratheon General was awesome. Nigel O'Neil I believe the actor's name was.
And Casino Royale is the best Bond movie of them all.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 25, 2015 9:23:20 GMT
Furthermore, just cuz I'm on a rant and I'll hijack my own thread briefly, the recasting of Myrcella was a giant waste IMO. While most people will probably not remember the original Myrcella, for all Nell Tiger Free had, she only had three real scenes, and she just acted most of the time like an upset daughter: 1. Water Gardens - Sand Snake attack. 2. Jaime/Myrcella in Jaime's room. 3. Jaime/Myrcella on a Boat, they're on a boat. Take a good hard look at the- And then you have the group scene with her in 5.09 and her leaving and getting kissed, but otherwise - that was it. I'm pretty sure Ms. Richardson could have done that stuff just fine and have made more of an emotional connection, with me at least, to be the same Myrcella from the pilot. The recasting sucked the life out of her (presumed) death, in my view, at least. But the Dornish arc in generally probably played into that mentality too. Then there was the foreboding sense that something bad was going to happen, on top of the fairly obviously poison ivy kiss plant. Also Nikolaj in that scene, egads. "Myrcella? Myrcella? I don't understand. Did you do too much coke? Myrcella? Myrcella?" Timecode Linky
The Last thing they really needed to worry about was Myrcella's actress. I wish I would be able to ask D&D about it's inspiration Me: What was your inspiration behind Myrcella's presumed fatal scene? Weiss: Well, we watched this one movie the night before we wrote that scene. Benioff: Yeah, I was sitting next to Dan, and we had been wondering what to do with Myrcella's final scene all night. And then this shocking death happened on screen. So I looked at Dan, and then Dan looked me, and then I looked at the TV, and then I looked back at Dan, and then at the ground, and back to Dan, and I just thought. That's it. Weiss: Yeah, there are some great dramatic ending scenes in the Final Destination Serie- Me: -OH GOD, WHY. Benioff: We did get another idea later in the movie where we would opt for another ship crashing through the hull and impaling her instead, but we ran out of budget. Me: ... Weiss: It was going to be the prow of the Iron Victory and Victarion was going to step through the hole of the wreckage clad in kraken armor and helm leading a bunch of ironborn on a reaving. Benioff: Yeah, and then Trystane and Jaime would be presented next season as POW trophies at the kingsmoot. Me: Okay, I take it back. That would have been totally awesome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 9:23:41 GMT
I was so very, very wrong about Shireen. I was positive that as soon as Melisandre made her intentions clear in 507 that was their way of making us think it would happen to get us to worry for her and that she would be fine. But no. Maybe it was there to make the audience want to puke less when it happened. I was right about Littlefinger going to Winterfell early on in the season before he went to KL. But that was way back when the trailer had just appeared |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 9:52:44 GMT
I pretty much got everything wrong
- Lf's plans and journeying during the season
- how sansa would be in winterfell
- jons overall arc was simpler than i would have thought
- sam left really late, thought he'd leave 507
- theon's confession scene...was waiting for that. hopefully its a deleted scene
- battle of winterfell very underwhelming, didn't think they'd kill stannis
- didn't think tommen and margery would consumate the marriage
- thought loras would be made kingsguard
- thought dorne would have its own version of the fire and blood speech, thought myrcella would live
- thought varys would show up in KL killing kevan and pycelle to pave the way for Dany
...the list goes on
I did get a few things right
- Selyse sticking up for Shireen
- Jorah getting greyscale
- hardhome being the big event
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Post by Admin on Jun 25, 2015 10:16:25 GMT
"Look everybody! Look how well they are doing with Stannis' storyline this year! Oh my God! No way he burns Shireen! The writers aren't this dumb! No way he burns her! No way the writing is so ridiculously bad that this 5x04 scene was another scene of eliciting sympathy before someone's death! No, it was just a good scene with no lame ulterior motives hack writers use! It's gonna be such a good season! My King is gonna kill Roose and Ramsay and marry Sansa and everything will be beautiful and Stephen will be on the show for years to come!"
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Post by boojam on Jun 25, 2015 10:36:27 GMT
From my standpoint I felt from season 2 that Tom Wlaschiha would be the 'kindly man' , I don't know why so many thought that character would be cast with anyone else. They sure played funny by hiding it , even when it was apparent it was Tom. A good job was done hiding Wlashciha!
I too felt that Yara/Asha would show up episode 10 in the team Stannis story when Theon and Sansa arrived.
Tracking Gemma Whelan unlike say Natalia Tena , Joe Dempsie or Art Parkinson , say, who earnestly said "no cast call" , Gemma seemed evasive like Wlashciha. Keep wondering if scenes were shot and not used?
I expected some surprise about the Iron Bank but Mark Gatiss get's what 10 seconds of screen time this season , that was strange?
What about surprises?
I did not expect Dorne to be such a dud. Dorne must play a role in the future of ASoIaF, I guess!
They needed a different story there, I am not a fan of Jamie's story in Feast and Dance, ok on the page, I guess, but can see the invention to keep him in the story for the show , but they needed more imagination in that story!
With the publication of excerpts from Winds I sort of thought something would happen to Ser Barristan , but not so early.
Don't see why he could not have been around even when Tyrion was there , for a little while.
Stannis's story could fall about in Winds, but I would not have predicted it at this point. Reflecting on it, seems like an event for early season 6.
The forward spoiler about The Others (they don't seem to have a collective term for them) was a surprise. IN a way getting them deeper into the story has sure lagged in the novels. So episode 8 seemed weird!
All the modifications of the past be it Arya's one-on-on with Tywin or reworking Brienne walkabout , other stuff like that , in the end, kind of sort of landing the story back on the page at the end of season 4.
But , stating the obvious , Sansa's story season 5 is a SQUARE WAVE, seemingly with connection to the book story, I guess?! That she could go north and even encounter Ramsay could happen but that gonna be a different story.
It's passing strange how main arcs like Daenerys , Tyrion, Jon , Arya , and Cersei , well Tyrion modified, land back on their stories on the page and Stannis, Sansa, LF , Jamie and Brienne's don't. It's hard to say where the Bolton's story lands, as this point it's not book narrative.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 25, 2015 12:59:10 GMT
 RIGHT Sansa taking Jeyne's story Arya going blind in her final scene For The Watch would close out the season Myrcella dying Barristan dying. (After that interview came out of a cast member having more to do in the books) Jaqen replacing the Kindly Man WRONG Everything with Stannis/Shireen I thought Brienne and Pod would help save Sansa I thought we'd get the Theon Godswood confession Varys didn't show up in KL like I thought he would. I thought Yara would show in the final episode I didn't foresee Olly being such a twat I thought Cersei and Jaime would start hating each other this season Everything about Dorne Basically everything. I got 95% of my predictions wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 13:50:54 GMT
its funny looking at this...its like the producers do this on purpose so we cant guess whats coming next! Like 'lets do the opposite of what they expect even if it doesn't make sense'
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2015 14:14:51 GMT
RIGHT
- Ramsay raping and abusing Sansa
- Arya's arc ending with her becoming blind
- FTW would be the ending scene
- Barristan dying
- Wun Wun appearing
- Sam leaving
- The episode name for 5x02
- Dorne would be crap
- No LSH
- I knew Olly would stab Jon (who didn't?)
WRONG
- Sansa in Winterfell, I was very much against it in AFOIAF
- I thought Varys would make his killing spree
- I thought we'd get a name drop for Urine Euron and a small scene with Balon dying
- Us getting preparations for BoI and I thought Stannis would win
- Viserion and Rhaegal escaping
- Theon's weirwood confession
- "Rue the day"
- I thought we'd get a Pink Letter
- I thought Jaime would start being resentful towards Cersei
- Didn't think Alliser would take part in FTW
- I thought Bronn, Pod, Brienne and GW would die, but didn't happen
- Stannis not burning Shireen
- Harry Lloyd cameo
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 2:47:55 GMT
Things I got right:
- Sansa going to Winterfell to Marry Ramsay
- Loras and Margaery arrests not being resolved
- Ellaria would go against Doran
- Dany would fly on Drogon and not come back to Meereen
- Jorah would get reunited / redeemed with Dany
- Littlefinger would fuck everyone over
- Varys would show up with Tyrion by season end
- Tyrion and Dany would hit it off well
Things I got wrong:
- Completed denial they would show Sansa getting raped by Ramsay
- I did not expect we'd see so much of Dany's post landing and Dothraki arrival in Sea of Grass
- Never expected Myrcella to die before next season.
- Totally did not think they would actually show Shireen being burnt alive.
- Expected "The North Remembers" old lady to be part of Northern Lords rebellion movement.
- Did not expect Brienne to kill Stannis.
- Thought we would get a big reveal from Doran/Dorne in their plan ... not poisoning Myrcella being all it was about.
My Biggest Shocker:
- Never imagined in my wildest dreams Hardhome was going to be that epic. Actually thought it would be just some bickering with the wildlings and maybe a little fighting.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Jun 27, 2015 9:14:40 GMT
its funny looking at this...its like the producers do this on purpose so we cant guess whats coming next! Like 'lets do the opposite of what they expect even if it doesn't make sense' It's funny you should say that. Before the Season began I wrote this huge series of twenty, thirty mini, mini chapters (series of paragraphs) of what the Winds of Winter be like if every fan theory turned out to be false. I paused once the season began right before the White Walkers were to appear at the Wall. I posted the first three, four? chapters elsewhere to get a critic and people enjoyed it. I've been working on it again over the past few days. Basically, once you get past all the immediate theories, then all the characters have to be magnetized together in the strangest, weird plots. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 10:15:27 GMT
Things I got right: - Completed denial they would show Sansa getting raped by Ramsay They didn't? Oh you meant you thought they'd show it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 15:18:20 GMT
My major predictions were wrong. I thought they would kill off Barristan Selmy and Stannis this year, but I really blew that one. After watching the season I was pleasantly surprised to see them both thriving. Yep, I'm man enough to admit when I was wrong.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 16:20:58 GMT
Things I got right: - Completed denial they would show Sansa getting raped by Ramsay They didn't? Oh you meant you thought they'd show it. I actually meant to put that in both sections and typed it wrong. I was in denial they were going to have her raped by Ramsay AND that they'd show it on screeen. They did have it, but right - didn't actually show it thank gods. So I was half right half wrong  |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 27, 2015 17:31:14 GMT
Another thing I got wrong - I really thought we'd see a Sean Bean cameo during Cersei's walk.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 17:33:58 GMT
Another thing I got wrong - I really thought we'd see a Sean Bean cameo during Cersei's walk. That wasn't Sean Bean whipping his dick out? |
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