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Post by Father of Dragons on Jun 15, 2015 7:36:13 GMT
8 or 9, I'm kinda torn. My list of hated characters now includes Brienne, purely for calling Renly the rightful king, so don't get me started on Stannis' death. She joins ... actually it's just Olly on that list so she's definitely second. I guess LF will defeat the Boltons now? I would have preferred to see Stannis defeat them, but I'd rather see LF get the Boltons than Stannis. At least Dorne had a point, even if I didn't necessarily like or enjoy it. Quite liked KL and Meereen.
Actually my only major problems were Brienne, Stan's death and Olly. I've got a few minor nitpicks but nothing that would affect my rating. So it's a 9
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 8:05:25 GMT
Haven't seen it yet, but I except either a 9 or 10.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 10:44:13 GMT
if i'm being honest.
I didn't like it much at all. The points i'm giving are mostly because of Cersei, Arya and Mereen scenes.
5/10
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Post by freypies on Jun 15, 2015 13:28:51 GMT
I thought it was incredibly powerful. 10
One of my three favourite episodes of the series, actually.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 14:05:18 GMT
Putting my general disappointment about LSH's exclusion aside and just focusing on what actually made it into the episode, instead on what didn't, I must say, this is still a 10 for me. Maybe a 9,5, because no episode is perfect, but I give 10s for everything that is a 9,5 or higher. Here are the things I liked and didn't like: What I liked:- David Nutter's direction throughout the episode. It was fantastic and much, much better than in 5x09, IMO. - Arya's scenes. I actually cheered when she killed Meryn Trant. The scene was like a punch in the face, but in the best way possible. I love when Maisie gets to play this dangerous and somewhat crazy side of Arya. She was incredible. Probably my favourite arc of the season. - Cersei's scenes. Of course Lena Headey nailed her performance, but I really thought the scene itself was very well done as well. I read that some people thought it was too long and had too many "shames". I understand where you are coming from, but I thought that actually added to the scene. It really felt like Cersei was trapped in a loop of eternal humiliation. That is exactly what this scene should be and the long duration and the "shames" are the reason why it accomplished that (for me). Well done. - Jon. I really enjoyed the conversation between him and Sam. I love their friendship. For The Watch was well done and I don't get why some people (mainly on other fansites) are saying it didn't make sense. Sure, I agree that the reasons that caused FTW were better in the book, but to say that there were no reasons on the show is just plain wrong. There were reasons, they were just different ones. - Meereen. Although not much happened, I really enjoyed the dialogue here. Also Varys grades up every scene he's in. I love to see Conleth Hill and Peter Dinklage together. Emilia did a much better job than in 5x09. And by the way, is it just me or is Drogon adorable... (for a dragon)? - Dorne. Yeah, sue me, I liked it. Is it a bit dumb? Yeah probably, but I liked the dialogue between Myrcella and Jaime. I just hope that this doesn't become a plothole next season. Will they return to Dorne? How will Trystane react to Myrcella's death (is she really dead?)? Will Doran know what Ellaria did? Things I didn't like:
- Actually there was nothing I hated. I just thought that the Winterfell arc was the weakest part of the episode, but still not bad. I really needed Sansa to kill someone and there are a lot of unanswered questions, like what was the purpose of Walda's pregnancy? But I guess we will see that next season. - I was a bit disappointed that we didn't see the actual battle, but they obviously ran out of money. - I wished they had made it a bit clearer as to why exactly Melisandre abandoned Stannis all of a sudden. - Stannis's death was ok. I didn't love it, but didn't hate it either. Pretty much how I've always felt about Stannis as a character (books and show, both). I liked that he didn't beg for mercy, though and his last words were very Stannis-y. So yeah, it's a 10. I missed LSH, but I will have to let it go and make my peace with it, however difficult it may be. I also missed Tommen, the Tyrells and a resolution to Littlefinger's plans, but I guess they simply ran out of time, so it got all postponed to season 6.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 15:06:05 GMT
I wanted to write a big paragraph about my re-watch, but @kairos said everything I wanted to say.
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Post by Quoth on Jun 15, 2015 15:21:46 GMT
I gave it a 4. I would have given it a 1, except I am trying hard not to appear to be a book snob. But, I'm very disappointed. There were just so many things illogical, and so "wrong" about most of the scenes.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 16:17:46 GMT
Most disappointing finale so far.
+ Sansa and Theon escape ( no epic dialogues with Theon and Stannis then? Fuck it. Ramsay is the master hunter and Stannis can't protect her..) + FTW was excellent + Cersei's scenes were tremendous, Lena was amazing, reveal of Robert Strong was great. + Varys appearing! + Meereen was alright, but still a bit slow and tacky, no need to spend so much time there in the finale + Arya going blind + Davos being pissed and shouting at everybody, don't have a clue what he'll do next season though + Mel the Human pink letter, great to see her defeated (didn't the sellswords take every horse though?)
- Dorne was so incredibly bad, Tyene is a really horrible character, Myrcella dying felt a bit cheap ---- an extremely long minus for absolutely fucking up the Northern story line and then they decided to solve it off screen? Wow. -/+ Surely Stannis can't die that cheaply and without us seeing it? - Arya scene was way too brutal and making Meryn Trant super evil wasn't really necessary - Jorah & Daario are going on an adventure!
I'm going to give it an 8. Mostly because Dorne & Battle of Winterfell were so underwhelming and bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 16:46:32 GMT
Most disappointing finale so far. + Sansa and Theon escape ( no epic dialogues with Theon and Stannis then? Fuck it. Ramsay is the master hunter and Stannis can't protect her..) + FTW was excellent + Cersei's scenes were tremendous, Lena was amazing, reveal of Robert Strong was great. + Varys appearing! + Meereen was alright, but still a bit slow and tacky, no need to spend so much time there in the finale + Arya going blind + Davos being pissed and shouting at everybody, don't have a clue what he'll do next season though + Mel the Human pink letter, great to see her defeated (didn't the sellswords take every horse though?) - Dorne was so incredibly bad, Tyene is a really horrible character, Myrcella dying felt a bit cheap ---- an extremely long minus for absolutely fucking up the Northern story line and then they decided to solve it off screen? Wow. -/+ Surely Stannis can't die that cheaply and without us seeing it? - Arya scene was way too brutal and making Meryn Trant super evil wasn't really necessary - Jorah & Daario are going on an adventure! I'm going to give it an 8. Mostly because Dorne & Battle of Winterfell were so underwhelming and bad. Arya scene was way too brutal? You're the first person I've seen say this.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 15, 2015 16:57:46 GMT
I liked the brutality of Arya's scene. I hope it was to show her as becoming a full psychopath, not a badass, but knowing D&D...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 17:01:35 GMT
I seriously don't mind the handling (length and cuts) of the BoI. Maybe because I didn't believe Stannis would have been able to win it after half of his men deserted.
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Post by janicia on Jun 15, 2015 17:02:02 GMT
I don't really think in terms of rating episodes numerically, but I did feel that this season ended on an overly bleak note. Maybe the show has always been like that and I just feel it more strongly now that there isn't book material to look forward to, but it just felt really dark to me. The downfall of Stannis was dark, Ramsay being unscathed was upsetting, the Wall was dark, the Arya stuff was dark (though not more than usual I guess, and I thought the scene with the faces was cool), the Kings Landing stuff was dark. Tt was sad that Myrcella and Shireen both died this season. It was annoying that they ended on cliffhangers when that hasn't been the show's preferred approach.
Mereen was the only bright storyline in the finale - I don't feel like Dany is in danger and the new sets of character pairings there should be fun. And I am glad that Sansa and Theon escaped, though in the show it looked a lot like suicide. I am really looking forward to Cersei / Margaery / Olenna in season 6 now that they all hate each other more.
I'm not sure I'm being rational or fair, but with both 5x09 and 5x10, at the end of the episode I had a feeling of bleakness and letdown. I think I miss the scenes where people sit around drinking and snarking at each other to balance all the sadness and brutality.
I do think that the season worked well on the whole. I really liked what they did with Sansa, Mereen, Kings Landing, Arya, and the Wall. It was a shame they skipped Manderly, but understandable. Dorne was problematic but the criticism of Dorne is overblown and they didn't spend that much time on it.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 17:14:21 GMT
Most disappointing finale so far. + Sansa and Theon escape ( no epic dialogues with Theon and Stannis then? Fuck it. Ramsay is the master hunter and Stannis can't protect her..) + FTW was excellent + Cersei's scenes were tremendous, Lena was amazing, reveal of Robert Strong was great. + Varys appearing! + Meereen was alright, but still a bit slow and tacky, no need to spend so much time there in the finale + Arya going blind + Davos being pissed and shouting at everybody, don't have a clue what he'll do next season though + Mel the Human pink letter, great to see her defeated (didn't the sellswords take every horse though?) - Dorne was so incredibly bad, Tyene is a really horrible character, Myrcella dying felt a bit cheap ---- an extremely long minus for absolutely fucking up the Northern story line and then they decided to solve it off screen? Wow. -/+ Surely Stannis can't die that cheaply and without us seeing it? - Arya scene was way too brutal and making Meryn Trant super evil wasn't really necessary - Jorah & Daario are going on an adventure! I'm going to give it an 8. Mostly because Dorne & Battle of Winterfell were so underwhelming and bad. Arya scene was way too brutal? You're the first person I've seen say this. Sorry, next time I won't give up on my opinion.
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Post by Admin on Jun 15, 2015 19:09:06 GMT
Arya scene was way too brutal? You're the first person I've seen say this. Sorry, next time I won't give up on my opinion.
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Post by serpounce on Jun 15, 2015 19:16:14 GMT
Most disappointing finale so far. + Sansa and Theon escape ( no epic dialogues with Theon and Stannis then? Fuck it. Ramsay is the master hunter and Stannis can't protect her..) + FTW was excellent + Cersei's scenes were tremendous, Lena was amazing, reveal of Robert Strong was great. + Varys appearing! + Meereen was alright, but still a bit slow and tacky, no need to spend so much time there in the finale + Arya going blind + Davos being pissed and shouting at everybody, don't have a clue what he'll do next season though + Mel the Human pink letter, great to see her defeated (didn't the sellswords take every horse though?) - Dorne was so incredibly bad, Tyene is a really horrible character, Myrcella dying felt a bit cheap ---- an extremely long minus for absolutely fucking up the Northern story line and then they decided to solve it off screen? Wow. -/+ Surely Stannis can't die that cheaply and without us seeing it? - Arya scene was way too brutal and making Meryn Trant super evil wasn't really necessary - Jorah & Daario are going on an adventure! I'm going to give it an 8. Mostly because Dorne & Battle of Winterfell were so underwhelming and bad. I can't believe so little came of Sansa's story line. Not a complete waste but I really expected to see more from her. I believe that D&D were too eager to show Jeyne Poole because I really doubt Ramsey would have locked up the daughter of Winterfell like a prisoner or that Roose would have allowed it. They should have made some bigger modifications to that story line, imo. But yeah, it's done now so let's see what comes next. Dorne was an even bigger disappointment since I was really eager to see a different take on medieval culture. I don't think the finale was the worst ever but there were these two disappointing ends. All and all, not bad.
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Post by Admin on Jun 15, 2015 20:10:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 20:47:53 GMT
I really liked some things in the episode and hated some, you can guess what.
Pros and cons:
Pros + Stannis!!! + Stannis realizing he can't win but still trying + Epic aerial shot of Battle of Ice: Stannis vs the Boltons + Though wounded, he still managed to kill two guys + "Do your duty" + Myranda's death + THEON is back, bitches + Jon & Sam talking + Jaime & Myrcella + Cersei's Walk + Pycelle's pervy look after seeing Cersei naked + CLEGANEBOWL!!! GET HYPE!!! + Varys + Peter and Conleth together are gold + Drogon + Dothraki are back + Trant's death + Davos yelling, I think he kills Mel next season + Mention of Benjen + For the Watch Cons - No Roose - No Battle of Ice, running out of money is lame. How about having less dragon scenes? We had them like every second episode! Truly, I'd take full scale BoI over Daznak any day. - Sansa left her door open - Stan losing, @konradsmith was right - Brienne of fucking Tarth killing Mannis, at least my man Roose the Manoose is alive - No proper death scene for him - No weirwood confession - Sam trying to find ways to break his vows - Ellaria you are dead - Why would Myrcella be happy about the incest? - No one freed V&R - Stannis dying
I'll give this one a 10. Should have given 9 for Stannis' death but I'm not that biased.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 21:02:35 GMT
I agree with everything you said.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 15, 2015 21:06:12 GMT
I really liked some things in the episode and hated some, you can guess what. Pros and cons: Pros + Stannis!!! + Stannis realizing he can't win but still trying + Epic aerial shot of Battle of Ice: Stannis vs the Boltons + Though wounded, he still managed to kill two guys + "Do your duty" + Myranda's death + THEON is back, bitches + Jon & Sam talking + Jaime & Myrcella + Cersei's Walk + Pycelle's pervy look after seeing Cersei naked + CLEGANEBOWL!!! GET HYPE!!! + Varys + Peter and Conleth together are gold + Drogon + Dothraki are back + Trant's death + Davos yelling, I think he kills Mel next season + Mention of Benjen + For the Watch Cons - No Roose - No Battle of Ice, running out of money is lame. How about having less dragon scenes? We had them like every second episode! Truly, I'd take full scale BoI over Daznak any day. - Sansa left her door open - Stan losing, @konradsmith was right - Brienne of fucking Tarth killing Mannis, at least my man Roose the Manoose is alive - No proper death scene for him - No weirwood confession - Sam trying to find ways to break his vows - Ellaria you are dead - Why would Myrcella be happy about the incest? - No one freed V&R - Stannis dying I'll give this one a 10. Should have given 9 for Stannis' death but I'm not that biased. I was more than pleased with the little they gave us of the BoI. At leasty we got an EPIC air shot with an EPIC Bolton charge with the EPIC Bolton theme and Stannis's EPIC last stand, so it's infinitely better than all of Robb's battles. They didn't really need to show us the fighting, the movement of the troops was enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 21:18:09 GMT
I really liked some things in the episode and hated some, you can guess what. Pros and cons: Pros + Stannis!!! + Stannis realizing he can't win but still trying + Epic aerial shot of Battle of Ice: Stannis vs the Boltons + Though wounded, he still managed to kill two guys + "Do your duty" + Myranda's death + THEON is back, bitches + Jon & Sam talking + Jaime & Myrcella + Cersei's Walk + Pycelle's pervy look after seeing Cersei naked + CLEGANEBOWL!!! GET HYPE!!! + Varys + Peter and Conleth together are gold + Drogon + Dothraki are back + Trant's death + Davos yelling, I think he kills Mel next season + Mention of Benjen + For the Watch Cons - No Roose - No Battle of Ice, running out of money is lame. How about having less dragon scenes? We had them like every second episode! Truly, I'd take full scale BoI over Daznak any day. - Sansa left her door open - Stan losing, @konradsmith was right - Brienne of fucking Tarth killing Mannis, at least my man Roose the Manoose is alive - No proper death scene for him - No weirwood confession - Sam trying to find ways to break his vows - Ellaria you are dead - Why would Myrcella be happy about the incest? - No one freed V&R - Stannis dying I'll give this one a 10. Should have given 9 for Stannis' death but I'm not that biased. I was more than pleased with the little they gave us of the BoI. At leasty we got an EPIC air shot with an EPIC Bolton charge with the EPIC Bolton theme and Stannis's EPIC last stand, so it's infinitely better than all of Robb's battles. They didn't really need to show us the fighting, the movement of the troops was enough for me. Agreed.
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