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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 2:13:48 GMT
I think he was just some random survivor they put in there to make it look like Ramsay actually did something in the battle ... and as a convenient catch for the abrupt cut from Brienne's sword swinging down on Stannis. Ramsay and Roose should have been the ones to get the killing blow on him so they were messing with us by showing Ramsay stabbing some helpless idiot unfortunate enough to not already be dead.
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Post by Nezzer on Jun 17, 2015 2:17:29 GMT
Still better than Brienne, who appeared only for 8 seconds between episodes 5 and 10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 8:47:05 GMT
Ah, it's that sad time of year again when I have to delete all of Abyss's GoT trailer gifs from my favourites sidebar. They won't do any of us any good now with the season over and out. We probably won't have any s6 gifs until December.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 11:39:22 GMT
What song played during FTW?
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 17, 2015 11:46:55 GMT
What song played during FTW? I think it was called "A Stab for You and Me" but I may be misremembering.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 11:58:27 GMT
What song played during FTW? It was one of the Stark theme tracks, perhaps Winter is Coming or Winterfell, don't remember exact one now
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Post by Basil on Jun 17, 2015 12:04:55 GMT
What song played during FTW? This one, I think: It's the same track that played during that beautiful scene in Season 1, where Catelyn had this amazing, goosebumps inducing line, "And then we will kill them all."
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 12:10:05 GMT
Has Martin said anything about the finale?
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Post by boojam on Jun 17, 2015 12:45:22 GMT
Has Martin said anything about the finale? Has Martin said anything about season 5?! I wonder what George's contract says about what percentage he gets for a successful show? I frankly don't think George is ever gonna say anything, as long as the electronic bank transfers are coming. I'm still think it's a conspiracy, "Say, D&D, you guys are gonna spoil Winds of Winter, so make up some weird shit and we'll both be sitting in the cat bird seat!"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 12:50:51 GMT
What song played during FTW? "Goodbye Brother" from Season 1
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 12:51:28 GMT
Has Martin said anything about the finale? Has Martin said anything about season 5?! I wonder what George's contract says about what percentage he gets for a successful show? I frankly don't think George is ever gonna say anything, as long as the electronic bank transfers are coming. I'm still think it's a conspiracy, "Say, D&D, you guys are gonna spoil Winds of Winter, so make up some weird shit and we'll both be sitting in the cat bird seat!" Yeah he said lots of things, how books are books and shows are show and something about not having any influence over what the writers are saying
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Post by janicia on Jun 17, 2015 14:13:12 GMT
I think the show missed an opportunity to parallel Dany's and Cersei's small councils in 5x10. With both queens away and sizeable swathes of both populations in rebellion against the queens, both small councils are in similar positions, but they're dealing with the situations completely differently.
Dany's small council still has a competency problem and a tendency toward putting Dany on too high a pedestal. But they're gung-ho to get their queen back, they're trying to respect her wishes in the meantime, they speak to each other honestly, and they make meritocratic decisions.
The Kings Landing small councils tend to have competent people on them - Pycelle is less incompetent than he pretends to be and Mace is a figurehead for the competent Tyrell women. But most of the counselors are working at cross purposes to the monarchy most of the time and the small council is always notably disrespectful to the monarchy, especially during this crisis. And they make a point of avoiding honest conversations and meritocratic decisions.
Further, a Kings Landing small council meeting would have given us a check-in on the people actually running Westeros at this point, which would have been interesting.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 14:21:43 GMT
I agree, I would have loved another small council scene. They were a highlight of the first half of the season for me. Hopefully we got some good stuff with Kevan and Pycelle next season
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Post by janicia on Jun 17, 2015 18:06:14 GMT
Pushing back Sam's departure from Castle Black changes things for both Sam and Jon, but I think the show did address those changes.
In the books, it was Jon's idea to send Sam, and it was part of a slew of forward-thinking policies coming from Jon. Jon was trying to protect Maester Aemon and Mance's son, but Jon also expected that Sam would come back in a few years as a maester.
In the show, when Jon agrees for Sam to go, it is much more fatalistic and more about saving his friend. Jon doesn't really believe that there will be a Night's Watch for Sam to maester over in a few years, but he also doesn't see the point in making Sam die at the Wall and doesn't want Sam and Gilly to be murdered by night's watchmen. So the show change takes a positive decision from Jon and turns it into a fatalistic decision to spare a friend from his duty. But this is Jon's first selfish decision in a long time, and we've seen a lot of strong leadership from Jon in S4-5 - Jon can take the hit. ShowJon won that election fairly because he'd impressed the men of the Night's Watch, not through Sam's manipulation. Jon won over some Wildlings through solid diplomacy. The timing of the decision to send Sam away isn't important in terms of the bigger stuff Jon has been doing.
The more interesting impact of the change is with Sam. The show took away Sam's big moment of manipulating the election, it is fitting that they give Sam something else. Figuring out how to save his arse is a lot less grand than getting Jon elected LC, but it is an important decision for his character. Sam never wanted to be a man of the Night's Watch, he seems to be an atheist, he doesn't feel conflicted about looking for vow loopholes, he doesn't feel family loyalty, he doesn't seem to care much about the realm - Sam just wants to take care of Gilly & lilSam and be there for his friends. But most of his friends are dead and Sam's been trying to figure out how to get away from the Wall with Gilly for a while now - he's thought it through. He's not accidentally or unwillingly abandoning Jon - he's deliberately taking advantage of a good figleaf to get the heck out of there.
Sam will feel guilty about leaving Jon alone, but he'll feel more relief that he got Gilly out in time.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 17, 2015 20:55:27 GMT
Has Martin said anything about the finale? I think after last episode (9) GRRM wrote a blog post about all the things he has going on and basically not to ask him about the things the show does. So, I doubt he will have a word to say about the finale.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 17, 2015 20:57:41 GMT
Lol wtf? Reviving Jon (possibly) makes up for burning a child alive and smiling while doing so?? Most don't care about Shireen. Reviving Jon more than makes up for burning a minor character Really? I was pretty upset about Shireen. Melisandre could revive Robb Stark, Jon, Ned and Catelyn for all I care and I would want her to die.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 17, 2015 21:06:05 GMT
I have really just come to expect the worst. I have been mentally preparing myself for the deaths of both Dany and Sansa for a while haha. Just because of a lot of people die during the story, it doesn't mean there is no chance of a happy ending. In the show at least, they wouldn't dare kill Dany. The back lash would be too massive. I think, in the books, she will leave westeros to seek the house with the red door and she will settle there. It has been foreshadowed in my opinion If Dany dies on the show...it will be a Jack Shephard kind of death...in the last episode, dying to save everyone else. I think the show ending probably has her on the throne with Tyrion as her hand but in the books...she probably dies defending Westeros from the Others. Killing off Stannis, having Tommen being a significantly weaker king, Myrcella dying thus most likely igniting a war between Lannister and Martell (and goodbye Trystane) ...pretty much clears the path for Dany to take it all. The Greyjoys might get in her way but if Balon does die next season, it's not too surprising if they align with her.
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Post by Admin on Jun 17, 2015 21:07:25 GMT
Most don't care about Shireen. Reviving Jon more than makes up for burning a minor character Really? I was pretty upset about Shireen. Melisandre could revive Robb Stark, Jon, Ned and Catelyn for all I care and I would want her to die. same here!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2015 21:08:04 GMT
Just because of a lot of people die during the story, it doesn't mean there is no chance of a happy ending. In the show at least, they wouldn't dare kill Dany. The back lash would be too massive. I think, in the books, she will leave westeros to seek the house with the red door and she will settle there. It has been foreshadowed in my opinion If Dany dies on the show...it will be a Jack Shephard kind of death...in the last episode, dying to save everyone else. I think the show ending probably has her on the throne with Tyrion as her hand but in the books...she probably dies defending Westeros from the Others. Killing off Stannis, having Tommen being a significantly weaker king, Myrcella dying thus most likely igniting a war between Lannister and Martell (and goodbye Trystane) ...pretty much clears the path for Dany to take it all. The Greyjoys might get in her way but if Balon does die next season, it's not too surprising if they align with her. Euron!!!
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 17, 2015 21:11:39 GMT
If Dany dies on the show...it will be a Jack Shephard kind of death...in the last episode, dying to save everyone else. I think the show ending probably has her on the throne with Tyrion as her hand but in the books...she probably dies defending Westeros from the Others. Killing off Stannis, having Tommen being a significantly weaker king, Myrcella dying thus most likely igniting a war between Lannister and Martell (and goodbye Trystane) ...pretty much clears the path for Dany to take it all. The Greyjoys might get in her way but if Balon does die next season, it's not too surprising if they align with her. Euron!!! This might not be the thread for this...I am thinking Euron and Victorian are merged as a character he might try to make an alliance with her...maybe. But in my heart of hearts, I would love the show to give Tommy Flanagan (Chibs from Sons of Anarchy) a look for the role.
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