Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2015 0:39:41 GMT
So I'm curious to hear everyone's best guess at deciphering the prophecy given to Daenerys when she went into the House of the Undying. Now that the show has almost completely caught up with her book story arc and most of those who she saw in the visions there, it's a refreshing topic to debate. I've read some great ones over the years at ASOIF forums and would like to hear yours.
Here's an interesting video made by a fan mixing together scenes from the show and the voiceover done in the audio book (A Clash of Kings) when the Undying chapter happened. It's a great way to refresh on both the show and the book versions:
Here is the prophecy itself:
“I have come for the gift of truth,” Dany said. “In the long hall, the things I saw... were they true visions, or lies? Past things, or things to come? What did they mean?”
...the shape of shadows... morrows not yet made... drink from the cup of ice... drink from the cup of fire...
...mother of dragons... child of three...
“Three?” She did not understand.
...three heads has the dragon... the ghost chorus yammered inside her skull with never a lip moving, never a breath stirring the still blue air.... mother of dragons... child of storm... The whispers became a swirling song.... three fires must you light... one for life and one for death and one to love... Her own heart was beating in unison to the one that floated before her, blue and corrupt... three mounts must you ride... one to bed and one to dread and one to love... The voices were growing louder, she realized, and it seemed her heart was slowing, and even her breath.... three treasons will you know... once for blood and once for gold and once for love...
There were also many visions, some of which were things in the past while others were things in the future to come.
awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_of_the_Undying
So what's your best guess on who the people in her life are that the mounts and treason are referring to?
Now that we're caught up to WoW material, some of my guesses long ago have changed. Here's mine:
Three Fires: I still think this was referring to the same Fire, but three things within them: Life for her dragons, death for Mirri Maz Dur and love for Drogo. There is a chance they are symbolic fires or even fires from her dragons however since at the point she's given the prophecy, she's already hatched her dragons anyways.
Three Treasons: This one's easier now that we've seen more of her story on the show from a different angle than in the books. In the books I was certain some of the corrupt council she had would be treasonous such as Hizdahr or Reznak, etc ... but much of the political stuff was left out of the show so it's easier to narrow down the treasons now:
1. Blood: Mirri Maaz Duur - Ths is an easy one to me. MMD lied to Dany and even admitted it (vaguely) afterwards. She wanted to repay the Dothraki for murdering and raping her people so she tricked Dany into doing the blood magic to bring back Drogo but at the cost of Dany's baby... death for life. This was the first treason because Mirri had sworn herself to Dany's service. In the show it could possibly be the slave guy who counseled her and then killed the Harpy prisoner but that's less likely to me.
2. Gold: I used to think this one was Daario because he's a sellsword and it's possible he still could betray her for money and some show watchers suspect he might be behind the harpies since Hizdahr was killed off and was prime suspect. I do not think this one is Jorah because Jorah was not being paid to spy on Dany. He was doing it in hopes of getting a pardon for his exile which he got and then rejected anyways because he changed his mind. I think the treason for gold may still be coming and not realized yet.
3. Love: I've always heard people thought this one was Daario, but Daario doesn't love Daenerys nor does Dany love him. I think this one was Jorah. Jorah loves Dany but commits treason against her even after he'd sworn to protect her and was in love with her. Not until he received his royal pardon did he realize he no longer wanted to leave her but now it was too late. Jorah was hoping for a pardon for something else he did for love ... selling slaves for money to a wife he couldn't keep who did not love him.
**EDIT: I totally left out the part about the three mounts! I'll add that in later with replies from others on it!
Ok, your turn!
Here's an interesting video made by a fan mixing together scenes from the show and the voiceover done in the audio book (A Clash of Kings) when the Undying chapter happened. It's a great way to refresh on both the show and the book versions:
Here is the prophecy itself:
“I have come for the gift of truth,” Dany said. “In the long hall, the things I saw... were they true visions, or lies? Past things, or things to come? What did they mean?”
...the shape of shadows... morrows not yet made... drink from the cup of ice... drink from the cup of fire...
...mother of dragons... child of three...
“Three?” She did not understand.
...three heads has the dragon... the ghost chorus yammered inside her skull with never a lip moving, never a breath stirring the still blue air.... mother of dragons... child of storm... The whispers became a swirling song.... three fires must you light... one for life and one for death and one to love... Her own heart was beating in unison to the one that floated before her, blue and corrupt... three mounts must you ride... one to bed and one to dread and one to love... The voices were growing louder, she realized, and it seemed her heart was slowing, and even her breath.... three treasons will you know... once for blood and once for gold and once for love...
There were also many visions, some of which were things in the past while others were things in the future to come.
awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_of_the_Undying
So what's your best guess on who the people in her life are that the mounts and treason are referring to?
Now that we're caught up to WoW material, some of my guesses long ago have changed. Here's mine:
Three Fires: I still think this was referring to the same Fire, but three things within them: Life for her dragons, death for Mirri Maz Dur and love for Drogo. There is a chance they are symbolic fires or even fires from her dragons however since at the point she's given the prophecy, she's already hatched her dragons anyways.
Three Treasons: This one's easier now that we've seen more of her story on the show from a different angle than in the books. In the books I was certain some of the corrupt council she had would be treasonous such as Hizdahr or Reznak, etc ... but much of the political stuff was left out of the show so it's easier to narrow down the treasons now:
1. Blood: Mirri Maaz Duur - Ths is an easy one to me. MMD lied to Dany and even admitted it (vaguely) afterwards. She wanted to repay the Dothraki for murdering and raping her people so she tricked Dany into doing the blood magic to bring back Drogo but at the cost of Dany's baby... death for life. This was the first treason because Mirri had sworn herself to Dany's service. In the show it could possibly be the slave guy who counseled her and then killed the Harpy prisoner but that's less likely to me.
2. Gold: I used to think this one was Daario because he's a sellsword and it's possible he still could betray her for money and some show watchers suspect he might be behind the harpies since Hizdahr was killed off and was prime suspect. I do not think this one is Jorah because Jorah was not being paid to spy on Dany. He was doing it in hopes of getting a pardon for his exile which he got and then rejected anyways because he changed his mind. I think the treason for gold may still be coming and not realized yet.
3. Love: I've always heard people thought this one was Daario, but Daario doesn't love Daenerys nor does Dany love him. I think this one was Jorah. Jorah loves Dany but commits treason against her even after he'd sworn to protect her and was in love with her. Not until he received his royal pardon did he realize he no longer wanted to leave her but now it was too late. Jorah was hoping for a pardon for something else he did for love ... selling slaves for money to a wife he couldn't keep who did not love him.
**EDIT: I totally left out the part about the three mounts! I'll add that in later with replies from others on it!
Ok, your turn!