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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 10, 2015 20:58:05 GMT
Frey pies to be replaced with Myranda lemoncakes?! She is one sour little bitch, but I still don't think she's good enough for lemoncakes, LOL Oh I think she is totally pointless too. I just hope we get a spectacularly gruesome death to make up for this waste of space and screen time. Hopefully done by someone we can cheer for (so, as things stand atm, Theon or Sansa). Speaking of which, we don't know much about Theon this season do we? Yet, he will of course be embroiled in the Winterfell arc. Edit: whoops, quoted the wrong post, lol
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Post by ladyfevredream on Apr 10, 2015 21:04:03 GMT
She is one sour little bitch, but I still don't think she's good enough for lemoncakes, LOL Oh I think she is totally pointless too. I just hope we get a spectacularly gruesome death to make up for this waste of space and screen time. Hopefully done by someone we can cheer for (so, as things stand atm, Theon or Sansa). Speaking of which, we don't know much about Theon this season do we? Yet, he will of course be embroiled in the Winterfell arc. Edit: whoops, quoted the wrong post, lol I'm not the best around here, or anywhere LOL, at keeping track of all the exact spoilers and such, but I do recall lots of talk about either not seeing or not hearing much from Theon in the first four episodes? Dialogue wise, anyway. It seems a lot of the news and talk is about Sansa and LF and how that effects story in WF, with lots of trying to determine......how that will effect some of the books elements of Theon's story there. That's my round about way of saying.....no, not much specific seems to be known about Theon himself and what will happen for him.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 10, 2015 21:21:21 GMT
Oh I think she is totally pointless too. I just hope we get a spectacularly gruesome death to make up for this waste of space and screen time. Hopefully done by someone we can cheer for (so, as things stand atm, Theon or Sansa). Speaking of which, we don't know much about Theon this season do we? Yet, he will of course be embroiled in the Winterfell arc. Edit: whoops, quoted the wrong post, lol I'm not the best around here, or anywhere LOL, at keeping track of all the exact spoilers and such, but I do recall lots of talk about either not seeing or not hearing much from Theon in the first four episodes? Dialogue wise, anyway. It seems a lot of the news and talk is about Sansa and LF and how that effects story in WF, with lots of trying to determine......how that will effect some of the books elements of Theon's story there. That's my round about way of saying.....no, not much specific seems to be known about Theon himself and what will happen for him. Hah, yeah, there's no way I can keep up with all the news, so I'll just try and doggie paddle to stay afloat. Looks like my fears will be confirmed, and Sansa going to Winterfell will overshadow Theon/Reek's arc, which I thought was a great part of aDwD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 8:06:26 GMT
I kinda feel that Sansa is able to "tame" Ramsay in the beginning, but thinks are going to spin out of control and Sansa will escape with Theon.
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Post by naseridrl on Apr 11, 2015 11:06:19 GMT
I still don't understand why Roose wants a real Stark. The beauty of Jeyne was she wasn't a Stark and everyone inside knew that she was just a illusion of one for other people buy. But those who didn't know like the clans were willing to march to save her if everyone knows Sansa is Sansa in Winterfell how does that help Roose to have Winterfell hostile to him with Stannis coming? Stannis who is seemingly allied to another Stark family member.
He can't be stupid enough to think she'd actually be willing to work with him, I don't get whats in it for him.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 11, 2015 11:15:57 GMT
I still don't understand why Roose wants a real Stark. The beauty of Jeyne was she wasn't a Stark and everyone inside knew that she was just a illusion of one for other people buy. But those who didn't know like the clans were willing to march to save her if everyone knows Sansa is Sansa in Winterfell how does that help Roose to have Winterfell hostile to him with Stannis coming? Stannis who is seemingly allied to another Stark family member. He can't be stupid enough to think she'd actually be willing to work with him, I don't get whats in it for him. It's the same principle, really. The Winterfell Lords in the books are a bit miffed that they never see 'Arya' anymore because she is kept in her room. The lords are also hostile because of the Red Wedding and Frey presence; its a badly kept secret that Roose was involved. I mean, thousands slaughtered at the wedding and Roose just so happens to survive and be given powre? Yeah, sure Roose, you weren't involved at all... The Mountain Clans would of course still March with Stannis to save The Ned's Little Girl, even if it's a different daughter. He doesn't need Sansa to work with him. He just needs the legitimacy that marriage to a Stark brings to the table. In fact, a real Stark works better than a fake one, because there is less chance of the whole plan falling through if someone realises and can prove she is fake.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 11:20:45 GMT
I still don't understand why Roose wants a real Stark. The beauty of Jeyne was she wasn't a Stark and everyone inside knew that she was just a illusion of one for other people buy. But those who didn't know like the clans were willing to march to save her if everyone knows Sansa is Sansa in Winterfell how does that help Roose to have Winterfell hostile to him with Stannis coming? Stannis who is seemingly allied to another Stark family member. He can't be stupid enough to think she'd actually be willing to work with him, I don't get whats in it for him. It's the same principle, really. The Winterfell Lords in the books are a bit miffed that they never see 'Arya' anymore because she is kept in her room. The lords are also hostile because of the Red Wedding and Frey presence; its a badly kept secret that Roose was involved. I mean, thousands slaughtered at the wedding and Roose just so happens to survive and be given powre? Yeah, sure Roose, you weren't involved at all... The Mountain Clans would of course still March with Stannis to save The Ned's Little Girl, even if it's a different daughter. He doesn't need Sansa to work with him. He just needs the legitimacy that marriage to a Stark brings to the table. In fact, a real Stark works better than a fake one, because there is less chance of the whole plan falling through if someone realises and can prove she is fake. So by the looks of it Sansa will try to outsmart the Boltons and she will fail miserably.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 11:33:04 GMT
I still don't understand why Roose wants a real Stark. The beauty of Jeyne was she wasn't a Stark and everyone inside knew that she was just a illusion of one for other people buy. But those who didn't know like the clans were willing to march to save her if everyone knows Sansa is Sansa in Winterfell how does that help Roose to have Winterfell hostile to him with Stannis coming? Stannis who is seemingly allied to another Stark family member. He can't be stupid enough to think she'd actually be willing to work with him, I don't get whats in it for him. I suppose he would also have a similar plan to Tywin: have Sansa produce a Stark heir (oh god please don't let her be pregnant) and then have her killed. He'd probably orchestrate an "accident".
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 11, 2015 11:36:52 GMT
I still don't see how this is even a smart idea for the Boltons. Sansa is wanted for murder, fArya wasn't. So wouldn't the Boltons having the real Sansa cause a rift between them and the Lannisters, the ones that made him Warden in the North in the first place? Couldn't they realistically take that title away?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 11:48:52 GMT
Yeah, that's just one of the many reasons why this is dumb, but ah well. One of the spoilers says that Roose or LF acknowledges how having Sansa marry Ramsay might impact his relationship with the Lannisters. And then LF is called down to King's Landing by Cersei. LOL. I can't see how Cersei wouldn't know he had the she-wolf she thinks killed her son under his protection for so long by the time he gets there.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 12:27:47 GMT
I don't know why the Boltons risk their alliance with the Lannisters. LF won't probably say a word about Sansa to Cersei. This marriage makes no sense to anyone.
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Post by ladyfevredream on Apr 11, 2015 12:54:42 GMT
I don't know why the Boltons risk their alliance with the Lannisters. LF won't probably say a word about Sansa to Cersei. This marriage makes no sense to anyone. ITA, none of it makes much sense from any characters' perspective, but......it will be fun to watch some fans
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 11, 2015 13:10:34 GMT
I don't know why the Boltons risk their alliance with the Lannisters. LF won't probably say a word about Sansa to Cersei. This marriage makes no sense to anyone. Because with Tywin dead, the Lannisters are a sinking ship? Possibly anyway (I'm thinking Lord Borrel's reasoning in Dance here, to try and make sense of this. I agree it seems a weird move for them)
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Post by naseridrl on Apr 11, 2015 13:18:34 GMT
With LF giving Robin away to Royce I'd have thought he'd be doing everything to keep Sansa within his grasp and under his control, but he seems to be doing the total opposite and throwing away two of his most valuable pieces He has what he has because of the Lanniaters.
They can easily take it all away from him far easier than they can take anything from the Bolton's, but even the Boltons will have the North baying for them if its made very clear they no longer enjoy the crown's support. this marriage seems like its in no ones best interest except to just have Sansa in more ugly circumstances yet again.
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Post by Admin on Apr 11, 2015 13:22:05 GMT
Yeah, that's just one of the many reasons why this is dumb, but ah well. One of the spoilers says that Roose or LF acknowledges how having Sansa marry Ramsay might impact his relationship with the Lannisters. And then LF is called down to King's Landing by Cersei. LOL. I can't see how Cersei wouldn't know he had the she-wolf she thinks killed her son under his protection for so long by the time he gets there. Mark my words - the show will make no mention of Cersei even wondering about Sansa's whereabouts. They'll assume the audience thinks she is so preoccupied with her Tyrion paranoia, Margaery and drinking that Sansa's existence simply slipped her mind
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 11, 2015 13:25:55 GMT
Yeah, that's just one of the many reasons why this is dumb, but ah well. One of the spoilers says that Roose or LF acknowledges how having Sansa marry Ramsay might impact his relationship with the Lannisters. And then LF is called down to King's Landing by Cersei. LOL. I can't see how Cersei wouldn't know he had the she-wolf she thinks killed her son under his protection for so long by the time he gets there. Mark my words - the show will make no mention of Cersei even wondering about Sansa's whereabouts. They'll assume the audience thinks she is so preoccupied with her Tyrion paranoia, Margaery and drinking that Sansa's existence simply slipped her mind "Your Grace, word has reached us that Ramsay Bolton, our supposed ally in the North, has we'd Sansa Stark. What should we do your Grace?" "...Sansa who? More wine!"
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Post by ladyfevredream on Apr 11, 2015 13:26:37 GMT
Mark my words - the show will make no mention of Cersei even wondering about Sansa's whereabouts. They'll assume the audience thinks she is so preoccupied with her Tyrion paranoia, Margaery and drinking that Sansa's existence simply slipped her mind "Your Grace, word has reached us that Ramsay Bolton, our supposed ally in the North, has we'd Sansa Stark. What should we do your Grace?" "...Sansa who? More wine!" Sense, don't look for sense, but yes......always, MORE WINE!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 13:44:52 GMT
Yeah, that's just one of the many reasons why this is dumb, but ah well. One of the spoilers says that Roose or LF acknowledges how having Sansa marry Ramsay might impact his relationship with the Lannisters. And then LF is called down to King's Landing by Cersei. LOL. I can't see how Cersei wouldn't know he had the she-wolf she thinks killed her son under his protection for so long by the time he gets there. Mark my words - the show will make no mention of Cersei even wondering about Sansa's whereabouts. They'll assume the audience thinks she is so preoccupied with her Tyrion paranoia, Margaery and drinking that Sansa's existence simply slipped her mind This is what I fear might happen
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 13:46:44 GMT
With LF giving Robin away to Royce I'd have thought he'd be doing everything to keep Sansa within his grasp and under his control, but he seems to be doing the total opposite and throwing away two of his most valuable pieces He has what he has because of the Lanniaters. They can easily take it all away from him far easier than they can take anything from the Bolton's, but even the Boltons will have the North baying for them if its made very clear they no longer enjoy the crown's support. this marriage seems like its in no ones best interest except to just have Sansa in more ugly circumstances yet again. Yeah, he just gave away all his cards. Mentally retarded Littlefinger indeed.. and yeah, in this marriage pact no one wins, absolutely no one. Damn shame.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2015 14:05:43 GMT
Yeah, that's just one of the many reasons why this is dumb, but ah well. One of the spoilers says that Roose or LF acknowledges how having Sansa marry Ramsay might impact his relationship with the Lannisters. And then LF is called down to King's Landing by Cersei. LOL. I can't see how Cersei wouldn't know he had the she-wolf she thinks killed her son under his protection for so long by the time he gets there. Mark my words - the show will make no mention of Cersei even wondering about Sansa's whereabouts. They'll assume the audience thinks she is so preoccupied with her Tyrion paranoia, Margaery and drinking that Sansa's existence simply slipped her mind Lol I bet you're right. Although, in fairness I think in the book Cersei never really spoke about her in AFFC/ADWD other than that one scene where Pycelle mentioned her. Unless I'm remembering wrong, it's been a while since I read AFFC lol.
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