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Post by Zadeth on Jun 4, 2015 18:12:39 GMT
"EW spoke to author George R.R. Martin to get his perspective on the female characters’ storylines in his bestselling A Song of Ice and Fire novels. Keep in mind the HBO series is sometimes slammed for including scenes that Martin did not write (such as the recent rape of Sansa Stark, which happened to a minor character in Martin’s A Dance with Dragons), but likewise there are ways in which the show has made its female characters arguably more likeable (such as Sansa’s character in general), or gave them empowering new sequences (such as Brienne fighting The Hound). In general, the show and books operate from a similar creative perspective in terms of how they portray life in Westeros and Essos. Martin begins with a familiar explanation—that his saga is based on his longtime fascination with medieval Europe—but he also includes a response to those who say that since Westeros isn’t a real place, that our own history should not be used as a basis for his story. Here’s Martin: “The books reflect a patriarchal society based on the Middle Ages. The Middle Ages were not a time of sexual egalitarianism. It was very classist, dividing people into three classes. And they had strong ideas about the roles of women. One of the charges against Joan of Arc that got her burned at the stake was that she wore men’s clothing—that was not a small thing. There were, of course, some strong and competent women. It still doesn’t change the nature of the society. And if you look at the books, my heroes and viewpoint characters are all misfits. They’re outliers. They don’t fit the roles society has for them. They’re ‘cripples, bastards, and broken things‘—a dwarf, a fat guy who can’t fight, a bastard, and women who don’t fit comfortably into the roles society has for them (though there are also those who do—like Sansa and Catelyn)." You can read the full story here.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 19:29:44 GMT
"EW spoke to author George R.R. Martin to get his perspective on the female characters’ storylines in his bestselling A Song of Ice and Fire novels. Keep in mind the HBO series is sometimes slammed for including scenes that Martin did not write (such as the recent rape of Sansa Stark, which happened to a minor character in Martin’s A Dance with Dragons), but likewise there are ways in which the show has made its female characters arguably more likeable (such as Sansa’s character in general), or gave them empowering new sequences (such as Brienne fighting The Hound). In general, the show and books operate from a similar creative perspective in terms of how they portray life in Westeros and Essos. Martin begins with a familiar explanation—that his saga is based on his longtime fascination with medieval Europe—but he also includes a response to those who say that since Westeros isn’t a real place, that our own history should not be used as a basis for his story. Here’s Martin: “The books reflect a patriarchal society based on the Middle Ages. The Middle Ages were not a time of sexual egalitarianism. It was very classist, dividing people into three classes. And they had strong ideas about the roles of women. One of the charges against Joan of Arc that got her burned at the stake was that she wore men’s clothing—that was not a small thing. There were, of course, some strong and competent women. It still doesn’t change the nature of the society. And if you look at the books, my heroes and viewpoint characters are all misfits. They’re outliers. They don’t fit the roles society has for them. They’re ‘cripples, bastards, and broken things‘—a dwarf, a fat guy who can’t fight, a bastard, and women who don’t fit comfortably into the roles society has for them (though there are also those who do—like Sansa and Catelyn)." You can read the full story here.This is exactly what I've been arguing! It's awesome to see him say it. And I notice that Sam is there among the top characters (Tyrion, Jon, Dany, and Arya).
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 4, 2015 19:33:34 GMT
I am not surprised he wrote something considering the criticism the show has been getting and some of that criticism is now aiming at the books. I expect we'll be seeing some similar from Diana Gabaldon down the pike. He's always very eloquent.
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 5, 2015 15:57:16 GMT
I'm glad he said this.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2015 17:52:30 GMT
I like the misfits explanation too - it should hopefully help *some* people realize that no, actually, there ARE some very strong women figures in the story and not all women are treated like shit and raped because of misogyny which gets thrown around far too casually in my opinion which is an insult. But it's like pissing in the wind on the internet. Haters gonna hate no matter what. We just have to keep reminding ourselves that this story has been beloved now for almost 20 years and that's longer than the damn show's been around to bring the internet roaches out of the woodwork.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 16:39:08 GMT
Oh, Entertainment Weekly, I kept reading the thread title as "Ew(gross) GRRM explains why there's violence against women." Anyway, I don't understand the argument that it's misogynistic to portray rape or cruelty towards women in fiction. Context is rarely acknowledged, it should just be off limits apparently. That would be like calling Schindler's List an anti-Semite film.
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Post by Zadeth on Jun 6, 2015 16:54:50 GMT
Oh, Entertainment Weekly, I kept reading the thread title as "Ew(gross) GRRM explains why there's violence against women." Anyway, I don't understand the argument that it's misogynistic to portray rape or cruelty towards women in fiction. Context is rarely acknowledged, it should just be off limits apparently. That would be like calling Schindler's List an anti-Semite film. (Clegan)E(bo)W(l)!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 17:01:53 GMT
Oh, Entertainment Weekly, I kept reading the thread title as "Ew(gross) GRRM explains why there's violence against women." Anyway, I don't understand the argument that it's misogynistic to portray rape or cruelty towards women in fiction. Context is rarely acknowledged, it should just be off limits apparently. That would be like calling Schindler's List an anti-Semite film. (Clegan)E(bo)W(l)! Fucking confirmed!
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