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Post by Admin on Jun 3, 2015 11:31:25 GMT
Why is Jaime not writing to Cersei? Why isn't he on his way back? They need to address it - if he got a note and if he doesn't go, the reasons for it. In the books there is a reason for that the show got rid of, so who knows what happens here
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 11:33:48 GMT
Why is Jaime not writing to Cersei? Why isn't he on his way back? They need to address it - if he got a note and if he doesn't go, the reasons for it. In the books there is a reason for that the show got rid of, so who knows what happens here Maybe they're just going to go with "he doesn't know about it"? That would suck, Jaime rejected her request for help was a big moment for him, it should not be ignored. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 3, 2015 11:48:11 GMT
I think it's the pivotal moment - him kinda telling her to fuck off there. A shame there was not good build up to that on the show :/
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Post by janicia on Jun 3, 2015 12:01:30 GMT
I'm hazy on how Cersei and Qyburn thought they could get Jaime a letter while he's supposed to be sneaking around in Dorne. Did they send a rider to gallop around in Dorne asking everybody if they've seen him? Or maybe they sent the letter to wherever it was he was supposed to go to after leaving Dorne (in that case he won't get the letter)? Or maybe they know that Jaime's been arrested by Doran so they knew where to send the letter, but they're entirely at Doran's mercy on whether/when Jaime is given the letter? I guess the last case is most likely - given that Doran is trying to avoid a war, he probably felt compelled to communicate honestly with the crown once he captured Jaime. If he isn't going to kill Jaime, he's not going to be able to hush up the arrest so best to come clean promptly? So Doran's letter to Cersei explaining the Jaime situation probably arrived between episodes 7 and 8?
But Doran is under no obligation to deliver Jaime's mail to him promptly. I agree that Jaime rejecting Cersei's letter was an important moment for him. And the show needs to set him on his next path unless he's just going to go back to Kings Landing. I think there is a decent chance that Jaime gets a letter from Cersei in the finale.
I wonder if Jaime ends up abandoning Cersei because he learns about her affair with Lancel from the charges brought against her.
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 3, 2015 13:05:38 GMT
On the show, there is no letter from Cersei because he's supposed to be sneaking into Dorne and stealing Myrcella. The only time they would hear from him would be after he successfully (or unsuccessfully) leaves Dorne. He's currently a prisoner there so Doran obviously isn't going to allow him to get word to anyone about his whereabouts at least until they've had a chance to talk.
When Cersei asks Qyburn if there's been any word from Jaime it's a "do we know what the hell is going on with him?" question.
He has no idea what's going on with her and she has no idea what's going on with him.
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Post by janicia on Jun 3, 2015 13:36:13 GMT
On the show, there is no letter from Cersei because he's supposed to be sneaking into Dorne and stealing Myrcella. The only time they would hear from him would be after he successfully (or unsuccessfully) leaves Dorne. He's currently a prisoner there so Doran obviously isn't going to allow him to get word to anyone about his whereabouts at least until they've had a chance to talk. When Cersei asks Qyburn if there's been any word from Jaime it's a "do we know what the hell is going on with him?" question. He has no idea what's going on with her and she has no idea what's going on with him. Ahh that makes sense. From the way Cersei asked Quburn, I assumed that Qyburn had sent a letter. But if Jaime's mission had been successful, he should be out of Dorne by now and back into communication. |
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Post by Admin on Jun 3, 2015 15:20:10 GMT
On the show, there is no letter from Cersei because he's supposed to be sneaking into Dorne and stealing Myrcella. The only time they would hear from him would be after he successfully (or unsuccessfully) leaves Dorne. He's currently a prisoner there so Doran obviously isn't going to allow him to get word to anyone about his whereabouts at least until they've had a chance to talk. When Cersei asks Qyburn if there's been any word from Jaime it's a "do we know what the hell is going on with him?" question.He has no idea what's going on with her and she has no idea what's going on with him. That's a big assumption. |
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 3, 2015 15:35:52 GMT
On the show, there is no letter from Cersei because he's supposed to be sneaking into Dorne and stealing Myrcella. The only time they would hear from him would be after he successfully (or unsuccessfully) leaves Dorne. He's currently a prisoner there so Doran obviously isn't going to allow him to get word to anyone about his whereabouts at least until they've had a chance to talk. When Cersei asks Qyburn if there's been any word from Jaime it's a "do we know what the hell is going on with him?" question.He has no idea what's going on with her and she has no idea what's going on with him. That's a big assumption. Not really, it makes sense. He's on a secret mission so she wouldn't send him letters, but its not unreasonable for her to expect some kind of communication from him. Neither of them know that the other has been arrested and Qyburn has nowhere near the spy network that Varys had. If he was still around, I'm sure both of them would know what's happening somehow, but I think King Tommen is right in saying that she's just expecting an update on his mission. |
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 3, 2015 17:21:17 GMT
She has absolutely no way of knowing his whereabouts or how to get in touch with him. How would she send him a letter?
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Post by valyrianshadow on Jun 4, 2015 1:18:30 GMT
Hopefully this will be cleared up by next ep. I don't think she sent a letter or we would have seen a reaction. Which reminds me Jaime has only had like 4 mins of screentime ha.
Anyway I think he'll get a letter next ep maybe. But show Jaime still wants Cersei right? He would want to go as opposed to book Jaime. Depends on who he gets the info from and if he knows her accusations or not. But he has to find out about Lancel because he has to turn her down. Which is kind of a shame because he turned her down for more than just cheating in the book version (burning that tower and being batshit crazy).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 3:40:28 GMT
Cersei cannot send him a letter, it would blow his cover, right? She also doesn't know he's a prisoner of Doran - yet.
Even if she did send a message directly to him at the Watergardens or Sunspear or wherever - wouldn't it get intercepted by Doran and he could just refuse to give it to Jaime?
I suppose Jaime could have sent a message to her without her sending one to him first but as a prisoner, still, I don't think they're going to let him communicate with anyone.
I also agree the fact that Jaime voluntarily refused to come help her was a really big and important moment in their relationship and Jaime's character progression.
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Post by lordcarson on Jun 4, 2015 3:47:03 GMT
Maybe Doran says something to Jaime or he hears/sees what happens in King's Landing at some point and that prompts him to reject Cersei. Maybe he returns to King's Landing at the beginning of season 6 and she sends for him and he rejects her then and that kicks off whatever he does in TWOW. There's no way Cersei can get in touch with him right now and he doesn't necessarily need to find out that she needs him until closer to her trial next season.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2015 3:50:31 GMT
It's also possible that if Jaime doesn't trust Doran or whoever's word that she's been arrested for sleeping with Lancel, that Bronn could substantiate the info. I imagine he knew what was up when Tyrion was blackmailing Lancel back in s2.
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 6, 2015 13:40:17 GMT
On the show, there is no letter from Cersei because he's supposed to be sneaking into Dorne and stealing Myrcella. The only time they would hear from him would be after he successfully (or unsuccessfully) leaves Dorne. He's currently a prisoner there so Doran obviously isn't going to allow him to get word to anyone about his whereabouts at least until they've had a chance to talk. When Cersei asks Qyburn if there's been any word from Jaime it's a "do we know what the hell is going on with him?" question.He has no idea what's going on with her and she has no idea what's going on with him. That's a big assumption. I have to agree with King Tommen and lordcarson, he was sent on a secret mission to Dorne (granted he was found out), why would she send him a letter at this moment? I took it to mean that she was wondering if he sent any news of how things are going. And now that he's a prisoner in Dorne, so to speak, why would Doran let him send a letter to Cersei with any news unless it was one Doran "helped" him draft. Plus, the show has not set up any reason for Jaime to be disillusioned with Cersei at this point. He and Tyrion did not have their confrontation when he released Tyrion at the end of season 4 (a scene that could have been great but the show didn't do)...so no line of Cersei has been doing everybody from the Kettlebacks to Moon Boy. And there has been no confession from Lancel to Jaime of his affair with Cersei which starts to confirm things in Jaime's mind. Edit to add, he has not been in Kings Landing to even be concerned about how Cersei was running things too. That's not to say that Doran doesn't do a big bombshell drop with Jaime, which is entirely possible on the show. |
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Post by day dreamer on Jun 6, 2015 13:51:30 GMT
I have to agree with King Tommen and lordcarson, he was sent on a secret mission to Dorne (granted he was found out), why would she send him a letter at this moment? I took it to mean that she was wondering if he sent any news of how things are going. And now that he's a prisoner in Dorne, so to speak, why would Doran let him send a letter to Cersei with any news unless it was one Doran "helped" him draft. Plus, the show has not set up any reason for Jaime to be disillusioned with Cersei at this point. He and Tyrion did not have their confrontation when he released Tyrion at the end of season 4 (a scene that could have been great but the show didn't do)...so no line of Cersei has been doing everybody from the Kettlebacks to Moon Boy. And there has been no confession from Lancel to Jaime of his affair with Cersei which starts to confirm things in Jaime's mind. Edit to add, he has not been in Kings Landing to even be concerned about how Cersei was running things too. That's not to say that Doran doesn't do a big bombshell drop with Jaime, which is entirely possible on the show. This is how I took it too, like she was just looking for a status update. It still irks me because I don't like how the show handles Jaime and Cersei's relationship. I supposed if Doran relays news of Cersei's arrest to Jaime, he might become disillusioned with her. But I'm not sure if it will be worthy of the letter burning moment in the book. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 17:27:36 GMT
This is how I took it too, like she was just looking for a status update. This is why Westeros needs Facebook. |
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Post by King Tommen on Jun 6, 2015 17:46:55 GMT
"Jaime Lannister has changed his status to 'fucked'"
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Post by arthucus on Jun 6, 2015 18:13:35 GMT
This is how I took it too, like she was just looking for a status update. This is why Westeros needs Facebook. If D&D did the weirwood.net training, Westeros would have FB for show fans. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 22:19:51 GMT
I have to agree with King Tommen and lordcarson, he was sent on a secret mission to Dorne (granted he was found out), why would she send him a letter at this moment? I took it to mean that she was wondering if he sent any news of how things are going. And now that he's a prisoner in Dorne, so to speak, why would Doran let him send a letter to Cersei with any news unless it was one Doran "helped" him draft. Plus, the show has not set up any reason for Jaime to be disillusioned with Cersei at this point. He and Tyrion did not have their confrontation when he released Tyrion at the end of season 4 (a scene that could have been great but the show didn't do)...so no line of Cersei has been doing everybody from the Kettlebacks to Moon Boy. And there has been no confession from Lancel to Jaime of his affair with Cersei which starts to confirm things in Jaime's mind. Edit to add, he has not been in Kings Landing to even be concerned about how Cersei was running things too. That's not to say that Doran doesn't do a big bombshell drop with Jaime, which is entirely possible on the show. This is how I took it too, like she was just looking for a status update. It still irks me because I don't like how the show handles Jaime and Cersei's relationship. I supposed if Doran relays news of Cersei's arrest to Jaime, he might become disillusioned with her. But I'm not sure if it will be worthy of the letter burning moment in the book. Jaime's going to find out about Lancel, we know that much for sure. Whether it happens this season or next, I think that will be the final straw for him and it will go just as it did in the books, he'll be done with her and reject her. |
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