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Post by lordcarson on May 25, 2015 2:48:44 GMT
I can't see Lancel being the gift that Littlefinger was talking about. It just doesn't make sense for him to confront Littlefinger and then all of the sudden be in his pocket.
That being said, WHO COULD IT BE???
If it's not just boring old Lancel, dare I say...
Could it be Gendry?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 2:53:02 GMT
^ That's a good theory, actually. They've made much of the fact that a bastard can be legitimized, and now that Cersei is being exposed (heh) presumably along with her bastard children, Gendry could well be a very useful pawn in LF and Olenna's 'game.'
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Post by lordcarson on May 25, 2015 2:56:32 GMT
^ That's a good theory, actually. They've made much of the fact that a bastard can be legitimized, and now that Cersei is being exposed (heh) presumably along with her bastard children, Gendry could well be a very useful pawn in LF and Olenna's 'game.' It's probably looking too much into it, but it would be awesome if it was him. I'm trying to think of other options and the only other thing I could think of was if he could somehow get close to Tommen and influence him, but that would likely end up with Cersei being freed as well which we know isn't happening. |
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Post by janicia on May 25, 2015 2:57:18 GMT
I thought the implication was supposed to be that LF knew that Lancel knew Cersei's secrets. So LF told Olenna to talk to Lancel, and Olenna persuaded Lancel to tell the High Sparrow. Leading to Cersei's arrest.
Lancel isn't in Littlefinger's pocket; I agree with you there. But I don't see how Gendry could help Olenna get her grandchildren out of jail. Even if Gendry was a sparrow now, he can't vouch for anybody or incriminate anybody; he doesn't know any of them. And the sparrows don't care about kings.
For a longer play, maybe Olenna would have a use for Gendry. But the Tyrells are pretty committed to Tommen. And Tommen is a decent kid who is already married to Margaery, who loves and listens to her, was raised as a lord, and is officially not a bastard. It would be really hard for Gendry to be better for the Tyrells than Tommen is. Gendry is definitely a bastard, not provably Roberts, not a lord, not married to Margaery, stubborn, and disillusioned.
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Post by King Tommen on May 25, 2015 2:57:33 GMT
At the very least, we got the confirmation that they purposely skipped the first part of the LF/Cersei conversation last episode where he gave her Olyvar. That ends up tying up the loose end about why exactly she needed him to come to King's Landing.
Also though, I'm pretty certain they're referring to Lancel. I don't think it was meant that Lancel was in Lf's pocket, only that he was the one who had the dirt on Cersei and just needed a push to confess this to the High Sparrow. Possibly even by Olenna if she shamed him into doing it. All LF passed on was the information that Lancel would've been able to confess to.
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2015 3:05:43 GMT
Gendry was actually the first person who came to my mind too, but I don't know how he could be useful other than more proof Tommen isn't Robert's child.
I just don't see Lancel as part of LF's plan. He already confessed his sins to the High Sparrow.
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Post by King Tommen on May 25, 2015 3:08:14 GMT
On the "Previously on" clip, they purposely showed the scene where LF ran into Lancel, to remind us that LF is aware Lancel is here and with the Sparrows.
It's nothing deeper than that.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 3:09:55 GMT
Lancel stepped forward acter LF spoke with Olenna.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 3:13:58 GMT
Gendry was actually the first person who came to my mind too, but I don't know how he could be useful other than more proof Tommen isn't Robert's child. I just don't see Lancel as part of LF's plan. He already confessed his sins to the High Sparrow. Well, if Tommen can legitimize Ramsay, Tommen can legitimize Gendry. Tommen's a teenager, in love with Margaery, desperate to save her. If he declared Gendry a legitimate Baratheon, that would make Gendry his older brother, and thus, the heir to the throne. No doubt in my mind Tommen would throw away kingship for his lady love. What does he care about being king, he's powerless and now even his mother is powerless. All he wants is Margaery.
Such fun, all of us being in uncharted territory--who knows what will happen next?? Fun! 
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 25, 2015 3:15:21 GMT
I took it that Olenna offered the High Sparrow the information about Lancel's activities in exchange for releasing Margaery at least to not be cooped up in a black cell before her trial. The way the High Sparrow talked it sounded like Lancel was releasing information piece by piece and becoming lighter over time, that there was stuff he hadn't revealed yet.
Also, Margaery still has to be free and back in Queen's garb for her scene in the trailer where she's grabbing Tommen in shock.
I guess he could have Gendry to legitimize him as Lord of the Stormlands and rally whatever is left of those forces to aid the Tyrells but... I don't think that really helps.
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2015 3:17:10 GMT
I took it that Olenna offered the High Sparrow the information about Lancel's activities in exchange for releasing Margaery at least to not be cooped up in a black cell before her trial. The way the High Sparrow talked it sounded like Lancel was releasing information piece by piece and becoming lighter over time, that there was stuff he hadn't revealed yet. Also, Margaery still has to be free and back in Queen's garb for her scene in the trailer where she's grabbing Tommen in shock. I guess he could have Gendry to legitimize him as Lord of the Stormlands and rally whatever is left of those forces to aid the Tyrells but... I don't think that really helps. I kind of think that scene was cut. It seemed like it could've fit in when Loras first got arrested. |
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Post by King Tommen on May 25, 2015 3:22:53 GMT
I took it that Olenna offered the High Sparrow the information about Lancel's activities in exchange for releasing Margaery at least to not be cooped up in a black cell before her trial. The way the High Sparrow talked it sounded like Lancel was releasing information piece by piece and becoming lighter over time, that there was stuff he hadn't revealed yet. Also, Margaery still has to be free and back in Queen's garb for her scene in the trailer where she's grabbing Tommen in shock. I guess he could have Gendry to legitimize him as Lord of the Stormlands and rally whatever is left of those forces to aid the Tyrells but... I don't think that really helps. I kind of think that scene was cut. It seemed like it could've fit in when Loras first got arrested. It's definitely just a piece that was cut from the post-Loras arrest scene. They're both wearing the same clothes, she's sitting in the same chair and the light through the window is exactly the same. It also makes sense that she would embrace him at the end of this scene, they just decided to cut away before it happened. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 3:28:12 GMT
I took it that Olenna offered the High Sparrow the information about Lancel's activities in exchange for releasing Margaery at least to not be cooped up in a black cell before her trial. The way the High Sparrow talked it sounded like Lancel was releasing information piece by piece and becoming lighter over time, that there was stuff he hadn't revealed yet. Also, Margaery still has to be free and back in Queen's garb for her scene in the trailer where she's grabbing Tommen in shock. I guess he could have Gendry to legitimize him as Lord of the Stormlands and rally whatever is left of those forces to aid the Tyrells but... I don't think that really helps. But if Tommen legitimizes Gendry as a legitimate son of Robert Baratheon, that makes Gendry Tommen's 'older brother' and thus, heir to the throne ahead of Tommen, no? Which I believe Tommen would eagerly do if it somehow worked to free Margaery. |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 4:03:02 GMT
As much as I'd love to see Gendry again and completely embroiled in the legitimacy wars - I don't think that's who Littlefinger meant by "A handsome young man..." at all. I think as others have said, it's just Lancel and nothing more.
Remember, Olenna wouldn't know anything about Lancel's activities and it was Littlefinger who set Lancel up to be with Cersei AND to spike Robert's wine I believe... so much as Olenna and Littlefinger conspired to poison Joffrey, now they jointly will conspire against Cersei because of Lancel. Lancel truly is "the gift" in the biggest way ever. His confession to the faith and the fact he already joined the faith anyways makes him the most powerful weapon of all against Cersei and it trumps 'heresay' against Loras IMO. Margaery lying to protect her brother is forgivable so she'll get out of jail with Grandma and Littlefinger's help. The High Sparrow wanted Cersei more than he wants Loras. It's all part of the game.
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2015 4:23:04 GMT
I just want it to be *more* than Lancel. He said "Handsome boy" would he say that about someone with a big ass brand on his forehead?  |
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 4:39:05 GMT
I just want it to be *more* than Lancel. He said "Handsome boy" would he say that about someone with a big ass brand on his forehead? Lancel with his godawful hair, hat and stupid look was way worse though!! Remember this?  |
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Post by day dreamer on May 25, 2015 4:49:36 GMT
I just want it to be *more* than Lancel. He said "Handsome boy" would he say that about someone with a big ass brand on his forehead? Lancel with his godawful hair, hat and stupid look was way worse though!! Remember this?  |
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Post by King Tommen on May 25, 2015 4:53:10 GMT
If I was Eugene Simon, when they asked me back for this season, I would have made getting back into that gear a complete deal-breaker.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 4:55:56 GMT
If I was Eugene Simon, when they asked me back for this season, I would have made getting back into that gear a complete deal-breaker. Haha so they leveled him up with a 7 point star forehead scar and some chains on a potato sack - woohoo! |
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 25, 2015 6:20:32 GMT
I took it that Olenna offered the High Sparrow the information about Lancel's activities in exchange for releasing Margaery at least to not be cooped up in a black cell before her trial. The way the High Sparrow talked it sounded like Lancel was releasing information piece by piece and becoming lighter over time, that there was stuff he hadn't revealed yet. Also, Margaery still has to be free and back in Queen's garb for her scene in the trailer where she's grabbing Tommen in shock. I guess he could have Gendry to legitimize him as Lord of the Stormlands and rally whatever is left of those forces to aid the Tyrells but... I don't think that really helps. But if Tommen legitimizes Gendry as a legitimate son of Robert Baratheon, that makes Gendry Tommen's 'older brother' and thus, heir to the throne ahead of Tommen, no? Which I believe Tommen would eagerly do if it somehow worked to free Margaery. As Sansa told Rams, a trueborn son always has the better claim. So Tommen would have to de-legitimize himself, but that wouldn't work either since he has to be the true king to legitimize anybody. I guess he could abdicate while still being a Baratheon, but idky the Sparrows would require those conditions to free Marg. It's newly-buffed up and hotter Lancel, guys, no need to over-complicate things. LF pointed Olenna to Cersei's former boytoy, Olenna gave him the shove to confess all his sins (maybe he'd told the HS he was a fornicator and murderer but didn't name names before now), bam Cersei gets arrested. |
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