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Post by King Tommen on May 25, 2015 4:49:27 GMT
Just as a clarification for those asking, Sansa appeared to grab an old-timey corkscrew as her future Myranda-shivving weapon. They were walking past a number of kegs and it looked like each one of them had a similar tool on top of them to get them open when needed.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 4:50:25 GMT
Just as a clarification for those asking, Sansa appeared to grab an old-timey corkscrew as her future Myranda-shivving weapon. They were walking past a number of kegs and it looked like each one of them had a similar tool on top of them to get them open when needed. I started to reply to someone that I thought that looked like a corkscrew of some sort but then thought better of it until I could re-watch the scene and see it zoomed in. Yeah that was a keg tapper I believe!
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 25, 2015 4:58:07 GMT
I don't like Theon being written into actively betraying Sansa like that. It undercuts the importance of him feeling so much for Sansa at the end of 5.06.
I loved how Sansa was trying to get him to turn, but I think he should have just turned her down instead of going to Ramsay. It would have shown he wasn't willing to work for Ramsay but also not against Sansa, like she was getting through to Theon.
Although maybe Theon thought it was for her own good. "It can always be worse" or something, and he decided to just go tell Ramsay so she didn't do it herself and get in trouble - but how does he know he won't punish her for it by telling her? Maybe he told Ramsay that it wasn't Sansa, but that Lady's work?
I don't quite understand.
If he cries to the Weirwood in 5.08 or 5.09 about it, and explains it all it could work. It's just one of those things you have to wait and see on. The GoT writing team have really struggled this season finding ways to express internal feelings of characters in an external way for TV. There has to be at least one scene each episode so far where you just don't understand something that should be expressed.
There were a couple of moments like that this episode - Tyrion/Dany was one of them because we have no flipping idea what Dany is feeling because we don't even know if she knows who Tyrion is or what he has done.
The Tyrion/Dany scene was poorly done because it shouldn't have happened at the same time Jorah reunited with Dany. They have a history, and a very strong emotional background. While Tyrion meeting Dany is a big moment for the series, it's not for the existing story and gets totally undercut by Dany/Jorah.
If they wanted to do Tyrion/Dany this season they should have waited to do it until 5.08 or 5.09 and separated the two events. You could even have a scene where Jorah says he brought Dany Tyrion Lannister but she kind of thinks he's just lying about it. This could have been used as a springboard to give us some knowledge of what Dany thinks about Tyrion before their meeting. It would also add to the dramatic tension to Dany meeting Tyrion, because Dany would realize Jorah wasn't lying after all - yet she already made a decision.
Hell, they could have Tyrion run off and run into the Meereenese Green Grace prostitute lady. That would have made the viewer go more "oh shit" than Tyrion meeting Dany in this specific context.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 25, 2015 5:06:42 GMT
Haven't seen the episode yet but I want to say GET AWAY FROM HIM YOU BITCH I found it gratifying to know Stan actually does have a sex drive.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:06:43 GMT
I don't like Theon being written into actively betraying Sansa like that. It undercuts the importance of him feeling so much for Sansa at the end of 5.06. I loved how Sansa was trying to get him to turn, but I think he should have just turned her down instead of going to Ramsay. It would have shown he wasn't willing to work for Ramsay but also not against Sansa, like she was getting through to Theon. Although maybe Theon thought it was for her own good. "It can always be worse" or something, and he decided to just go tell Ramsay so she didn't do it herself and get in trouble - but how does he know he won't punish her for it by telling her? Maybe he told Ramsay that it wasn't Sansa, but that Lady's work? I don't quite understand. If he cries to the Weirwood in 5.08 or 5.09 about it, and explains it all it could work. It's just one of those things you have to wait and see on. The GoT writing team have really struggled this season finding ways to express internal feelings of characters in an external way for TV. There has to be at least one scene each episode so far where you just don't understand something that should be expressed. There were a couple of moments like that this episode - Tyrion/Dany was one of them because we have no flipping idea what Dany is feeling because we don't even know if she knows who Tyrion is or what he has done. It was purposely written as ambiguous you know... to keep people guessing whether or not Reek actually did rat on her or not. They didn't show that exchange between Theon and Ramsay so you could say he betrayed her, or Ramsay scared it out of him again, or threatened Sansa worse ... who knows what - but it ended with the old lady's death and that's a pretty horrible thing Theon now has over his head on top of everything else. Something's got to snap.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on May 25, 2015 5:10:42 GMT
It was purposely written as ambiguous you know... to keep people guessing whether or not Reek actually did rat on her or not. They didn't show that exchange between Theon and Ramsay so you could say he betrayed her, or Ramsay scared it out of him again, or threatened Sansa worse ... who knows what - but it ended with the old lady's death and that's a pretty horrible thing Theon now has over his head on top of everything else. Something's got to snap. Yes, I understand what they did, but what I'm saying is you leave the episode not understanding Theon's actions and not sympathizing with him at all because you just feel like he betrayed her instead of helping her. They needed or need to do something where Theon expresses why he did what he did after this event or he just looks like an ass.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:26:49 GMT
Who was the guy who freed Tyrion and why?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:28:24 GMT
The antidote? The fucking antidote? Are you kidding me? The sand snakes really are cartoon villains. They had a really good scene going. The characrers are developing amazingly and then... bang, we backtrack. Dafuq My only issue with this episode. Might have gave a 10 if not for that scene.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:32:13 GMT
EDIT: During Sansa's walk with Ramsay, I kept thinking about how she wanted to push Joffrey off the edge in the Season 1 finale when he shows her Ned's head on a spike.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:32:13 GMT
Any other episode Tyrion meeting Dany would have closed out the episode. It's monumental. Thought the same thing. Like, what...there's more??
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:32:51 GMT
Btw what did Sansa pick up when she was walking with Ramsay? Corkscrew
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:39:11 GMT
I think the wheel speech will be in 508.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 25, 2015 5:40:37 GMT
After this ep I'm now more sure Theon's repentance at the godswood is coming, and Sam/Gilly will be going south by the end of the season. And I feel safer about Shireen, since the show usually doesn't make a good guy/gal's demise so glaringly obvious. I don't see why D&D would sacrifice the shock value they love so much in this case.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:41:49 GMT
I think the wheel speech will be in 508. Yeah I'm pretty sure it will be too. It's making a little more sense now since Tyrion is in the picture. Tyrion will probably try to convince her that he isn't her enemy after that speech maybe.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:45:02 GMT
After this ep I'm now more sure Theon's repentance at the godswood is coming, and Sam/Gilly will be going south by the end of the season. And I feel safer about Shireen, since the show usually doesn't make a good guy/gal's demise so glaringly obvious. I don't see why D&D would sacrifice the shock value they love so much in this case. I'm not worried for Shireen at all now. They did a big Dad/Daughter moment between her and Stannis and now they're going to prove why "You are Princess Shireen of House Baratheon, and you are my daughter" is not to be taken lightly by Stannis and anyone who threatens that. He's going to be seriously tested and Melisandre's going to get pushy but he won't break. Remember: "Stannis' stubbornness prevails..."
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:47:26 GMT
After this ep I'm now more sure Theon's repentance at the godswood is coming, and Sam/Gilly will be going south by the end of the season. And I feel safer about Shireen, since the show usually doesn't make a good guy/gal's demise so glaringly obvious. I don't see why D&D would sacrifice the shock value they love so much in this case. I'm not worried for Shireen at all now. They did a big Dad/Daughter moment between her and Stannis and now they're going to prove why "You are Princess Shireen of House Baratheon, and you are my daughter" is not to be taken lightly by Stannis and anyone who threatens that. He's going to be seriously tested and Melisandre's going to get pushy but he won't break. Remember: "Stannis' stubbornness prevails..." What do you think the shot of Mel looking smug and Selyse on the ground is then?
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2015 5:51:41 GMT
I'm not worried for Shireen at all now. They did a big Dad/Daughter moment between her and Stannis and now they're going to prove why "You are Princess Shireen of House Baratheon, and you are my daughter" is not to be taken lightly by Stannis and anyone who threatens that. He's going to be seriously tested and Melisandre's going to get pushy but he won't break. Remember: "Stannis' stubbornness prevails..." What do you think the shot of Mel looking smug and Selyse on the ground is then? Those two shots are independent of one another though, aren't they? They're not at the same time. I do not think Selyse is on the ground because they're going to burn Shireen - it never connected right but I could be way wrong. But as others have stated, Mel testing Stannis with that in tonight's episode pretty much means no she's not going to die. Stannis will say no.
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Post by Admin on May 25, 2015 6:06:18 GMT
After this ep I'm now more sure Theon's repentance at the godswood is coming, and Sam/Gilly will be going south by the end of the season. And I feel safer about Shireen, since the show usually doesn't make a good guy/gal's demise so glaringly obvious. I don't see why D&D would sacrifice the shock value they love so much in this case. I'm not worried for Shireen at all now. They did a big Dad/Daughter moment between her and Stannis and now they're going to prove why "You are Princess Shireen of House Baratheon, and you are my daughter" is not to be taken lightly by Stannis and anyone who threatens that. He's going to be seriously tested and Melisandre's going to get pushy but he won't break. Remember: "Stannis' stubbornness prevails..." There is always the possibility Stannis won't be there to stop Melisandre....
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 25, 2015 6:07:25 GMT
What do you think the shot of Mel looking smug and Selyse on the ground is then? Those two shots are independent of one another though, aren't they? They're not at the same time. I do not think Selyse is on the ground because they're going to burn Shireen - it never connected right but I could be way wrong. But as others have stated, Mel testing Stannis with that in tonight's episode pretty much means no she's not going to die. Stannis will say no. Yeah, Selyse has always been the one set up as more likely to sacrifice Shireen. Maybe Mel's smug look will be destroyed by Davos the way Cersei's smugness just was, and then later Selyse collapses in shock about Team Dragonstone not being true enough to Red Rahloo.
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Post by Admin on May 25, 2015 6:37:49 GMT
Did the show Bri in this episode?
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