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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 11:50:52 GMT
The only thing that could break MY internet is  Still, regarding Unsullied, I think the WoS, FTW, Daenerys' announcement to go to Westeros and Sansa's escape from Winterfell should be enough. Also, we might have some sort of Varys' monologue to Corpse!Kevan, when he reveals his plan to be something entirely different than we expect. Like if he is preparing the realm for a WW invasion (I know nobody likes this theory, I'm just giving an example don't judge me). If the season ends with Jon "dead", Cersei broken, Sansa with Stannis, Dany going to Westeros and Varys back in the game, it could be the best finale we've ever had. (4x10 had everything to be perfect as well, but they messed it up by rushing through Tywin's death, and no ) I do hope for Varys to. The epilogue of Dance with Dragons really got me, because I never imagined that Varys would do any 'dirty work' by himself. And I feel that Conleth Hill could deliver this speech very well. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:12:00 GMT
The only thing that could break MY internet is Still, regarding Unsullied, I think the WoS, FTW, Daenerys' announcement to go to Westeros and Sansa's escape from Winterfell should be enough. Also, we might have some sort of Varys' monologue to Corpse!Kevan, when he reveals his plan to be something entirely different than we expect. Like if he is preparing the realm for a WW invasion (I know nobody likes this theory, I'm just giving an example don't judge me). If the season ends with Jon "dead", Cersei broken, Sansa with Stannis, Dany going to Westeros and Varys back in the game, it could be the best finale we've ever had. (4x10 had everything to be perfect as well, but they messed it up by rushing through Tywin's death, and no ) I do hope for Varys to. The epilogue of Dance with Dragons really got me, because I never imagined that Varys would do any 'dirty work' by himself. And I feel that Conleth Hill could deliver this speech very well. Agreed. Conleth IS Varys and he would absolutely kill this scene. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:17:58 GMT
I just can't imagine show having the fAegon speech. There are no Griffs in the show, and Dany really doesn't fit to anything Varys says fAegon is.
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 26, 2015 12:24:03 GMT
I just can't imagine show having the fAegon speech. There are no Griffs in the show, and Dany really doesn't fit to anything Varys says fAegon is. Exactly why I think Varys has an entirely different agenda. Remember how in the beginning of the season a lot of fans were ranting about LF being stupid and his plan of marrying Sansa to Ramsay being dumb, and he leaving because of the brothel was a cheap plot device. Now we have a better understanding of his motives. Maybe the same may apply to Varys. For me at this point he is a complete idiot. His actions since S1 are contradictory and his sudden love for Daenerys was very poorly written. So maybe his actions at the finale will give us a better understanding of his plot, and he may not be backing up Dany at all. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:25:59 GMT
I just can't imagine show having the fAegon speech. There are no Griffs in the show, and Dany really doesn't fit to anything Varys says fAegon is. Exactly why I think Varys has an entirely different agenda. Remember how in the beginning of the season a lot of fans were ranting about LF being stupid and his plan of marrying Sansa to Ramsay being dumb, and he leaving because of the brothel was a cheap plot device. Now we have a better understanding of his motives. Maybe the same may apply to Varys. For me at this point he is a complete idiot. His actions since S1 are contradictory and his sudden love for Daenerys was very poorly written. So maybe his actions at the finale will give us a better understanding of his plot, and he may not be backing up Dany at all. What if he is suddenly backing Stannis??? He said he hates Stannis because of Melisandre in Season 3. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:32:37 GMT
Exactly why I think Varys has an entirely different agenda. Remember how in the beginning of the season a lot of fans were ranting about LF being stupid and his plan of marrying Sansa to Ramsay being dumb, and he leaving because of the brothel was a cheap plot device. Now we have a better understanding of his motives. Maybe the same may apply to Varys. For me at this point he is a complete idiot. His actions since S1 are contradictory and his sudden love for Daenerys was very poorly written. So maybe his actions at the finale will give us a better understanding of his plot, and he may not be backing up Dany at all. What if he is suddenly backing Stannis??? He said he hates Stannis because of Melisandre in Season 3. Crackpot: He murders Melisandre to save Shireen.  |
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Post by mattpeto on May 26, 2015 12:34:08 GMT
The choice could be Melisandre saying they need to burn Shireen in order to win the war and if Stannis' doesn't do it, she's going to abandon his cause because he isn't a true believer. Stannis makes the tough decision to allow Mel to leave him and that gets her back to the Wall for the finale. Or it could be a dozen other things but Mel telling Stannis she would abandon him would certainly give him pause even if at the end of the day, he wouldn't burn Shireen. I think the foreshadowing of sacrificing Shireen is nothing more than an audience's ruse. Stannis won't let it happen. Not only does he love his daughter, she's his only heir. From his perspective, if does end up winning, who the hell is going to to pass everything on to? |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:35:53 GMT
The choice could be Melisandre saying they need to burn Shireen in order to win the war and if Stannis' doesn't do it, she's going to abandon his cause because he isn't a true believer. Stannis makes the tough decision to allow Mel to leave him and that gets her back to the Wall for the finale. Or it could be a dozen other things but Mel telling Stannis she would abandon him would certainly give him pause even if at the end of the day, he wouldn't burn Shireen. I think the foreshadowing of sacrificing Shireen is nothing more than audience's ruse. Stannis won't let it happen. Not only does he love his daughter, she's his only heir. From his perspective, if does end up winning, who the hell is going to to pass everything on to? Agreed. I said so in the Shireen thread, but any concern that I had for it possibly happening melted away as soon as Melisandre was so blatant about it. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 26, 2015 12:36:47 GMT
Exactly why I think Varys has an entirely different agenda. Remember how in the beginning of the season a lot of fans were ranting about LF being stupid and his plan of marrying Sansa to Ramsay being dumb, and he leaving because of the brothel was a cheap plot device. Now we have a better understanding of his motives. Maybe the same may apply to Varys. For me at this point he is a complete idiot. His actions since S1 are contradictory and his sudden love for Daenerys was very poorly written. So maybe his actions at the finale will give us a better understanding of his plot, and he may not be backing up Dany at all. What if he is suddenly backing Stannis??? He said he hates Stannis because of Melisandre in Season 3. I think it's possible he reveals to be backing the WW. Crackpot, I know, but it would set him as a major mastermind, bring the WW topic to a higher priority and set a huge hype for season 6. If he is backing Dany and kills Kevan and Pycelle, this scene will be very... Well... Disposable. I mean, what would be the meaning of such scene? |
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Post by mattpeto on May 26, 2015 12:46:28 GMT
What if he is suddenly backing Stannis??? He said he hates Stannis because of Melisandre in Season 3. I think it's possible he reveals to be backing the WW. Crackpot, I know, but it would set him as a major mastermind, bring the WW topic to a higher priority and set a huge hype for season 6. If he is backing Dany and kills Kevan and Pycelle, this scene will be very... Well... Disposable. I mean, what would be the meaning of such scene? I think if Kevan has proved to re-align the Lannisters with the Tyrells again, his death by Varys will be worthwhile as it will demonstrate mass chaos again. And Varys motive can parallel the books, but in this case he's supporting the real Targaryen. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:46:34 GMT
What if he is suddenly backing Stannis??? He said he hates Stannis because of Melisandre in Season 3. I think it's possible he reveals to be backing the WW. Crackpot, I know, but it would set him as a major mastermind, bring the WW topic to a higher priority and set a huge hype for season 6. If he is backing Dany and kills Kevan and Pycelle, this scene will be very... Well... Disposable. I mean, what would be the meaning of such scene? No offense, but Varys is Joffrey's mother is more plausible than this. They could have ADwD epilogue scene, but without or with altered monologue. |
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 12:49:00 GMT
The epilogue will happen, just with different dialogue. WTF was the point in bringing Kevan back if he wasn't going to get killed by Varys in the finale?
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 26, 2015 12:50:54 GMT
I think it's possible he reveals to be backing the WW. Crackpot, I know, but it would set him as a major mastermind, bring the WW topic to a higher priority and set a huge hype for season 6. If he is backing Dany and kills Kevan and Pycelle, this scene will be very... Well... Disposable. I mean, what would be the meaning of such scene? No offense, but Varys is Joffrey's mother is more plausible than this. They could have ADwD epilogue scene, but without or with altered monologue. None taken! I'm just brainstorming the break the internet thing. It's not a theory I support  |
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Post by Admin on May 26, 2015 19:35:27 GMT
Added the poll with (?) being speculation. You can choose up to 3 options
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 8:01:21 GMT
if shireen gets burnt and this brings back jon i think it WILL break the internet. for everyone, because the book readers will just cry. (okay i will)
Lady stoneheart is basically confirmed out so it wont be that
the unsullied will die when jon gets stabbed but 'breaking the internet?'. Yep i think its enough. the real unsullied like the casual watchers in my family only know a few names. Jon is one of the most popular characters.
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2015 8:36:29 GMT
if shireen gets burnt and this brings back jon i think it WILL break the internet. for everyone, because the book readers will just cry. (okay i will) Lady stoneheart is basically confirmed out so it wont be that the unsullied will die when jon gets stabbed but 'breaking the internet?'. Yep i think its enough. the real unsullied like the casual watchers in my family only know a few names. Jon is one of the most popular characters. You know before yesterday some would say Euron was 'confirmed out' |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 11:16:28 GMT
Yeah, I'm going with For The Watch on this one. Jon is seriously popular with many of the unsullied, and despite all the attention on Olly which book readers have noticed, the unsullied generally aren't seeing it coming. If they leave it as the cliffhanger for episode 10? Man, that would get a crazy reaction. Especially coming off the big White Walker show down and all the R+L=J hints
I think Varys' return will get more of a "ah, so that's where he is" sort of reaction. Unless he kills someone major, but even that won't have shit on Jon getting murderised
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Post by Admin on May 27, 2015 11:20:17 GMT
Yeah, I'm going with For The Watch on this one. Jon is seriously popular with many of the unsullied, and despite all the attention on Olly which book readers have noticed, the unsullied generally aren't seeing it coming. If they leave it as the cliffhanger for episode 10? Man, that would get a crazy reaction. Especially coming off the big White Walker show down and all the R+L=J hints I think Varys' return will get more of a "ah, so that's where he is" sort of reaction. Unless he kills someone major, but even that won't have shit on Jon getting murderised The thing though is that Jon getting killed or something bad happening to him is very predictable, especially if Sansa manages to escape and heads his way. Varys showing up and going ninja is a total WTF but without the epic 'here is my master plan' reveal to both the characters and us I wonder what they will replace it with. I truly hope Aegon is out of the show but it looks unlikely. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 11:25:18 GMT
I'm sure it will get somewhat of a reaction, but it's not the kind of thing that will set casual viewers on fire. And I really think TrystAegon is happening
Whearas I truly do think they aren't expecting Jon to die, even with all the hints. He's been built up so much, and a lot of people know about the whole R+L=J thing now. As far as most of the Unsullied know, people are upset with him, but not to the point of murder. A lot of the speculation I've seen involves Jon fighting the White Walkers next season (which is probably going to happen anyway), I haven't seen people saying he'll die. And that's the more attentive viewers. People generally weren't expecting the Red Wedding either, despite all the hints.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 11:30:29 GMT
I really don't think TrystAegon is happening. It hasn't been hinted at at all that he's someone other than Doran's son and for something so huge there would have to be something.
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