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Post by valyrianshadow on Apr 21, 2015 20:36:42 GMT
My favourite POVs are basically also my favourite characters (without Stannis since he's so POV character :/) - Theon - Davos - Jaime And I LOVE all Ironborn POVs, I simply love Asha as a character and reading about her visiting The Reader in AFFC and then being in Deepwood Motte and later with Stannis' host in ADWD was just wonderful, Vic's chapters are utterly hilarious for me, and Aeron had the awesome chapter about the Kingsmoot ("The Drowned Man"). But my most favourite of all time will always be Maester Cressen, in ACOK's Prologue :crying: Least favourite... probably Bran. Maester Cressen nooooo When Shireen mentioned him in ep2 I got sad all over again.
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Post by metopheles on Apr 21, 2015 20:58:09 GMT
I completely forgot, because she has only one chapter, but certainly one of these you always wanted, Melisandre. That was a surprise to get her pov.
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Post by theonionsleight on Apr 23, 2015 20:34:29 GMT
My favourite POVs are basically also my favourite characters (without Stannis since he's so POV character :/) - Theon - Davos - Jaime And I LOVE all Ironborn POVs, I simply love Asha as a character and reading about her visiting The Reader in AFFC and then being in Deepwood Motte and later with Stannis' host in ADWD was just wonderful, Vic's chapters are utterly hilarious for me, and Aeron had the awesome chapter about the Kingsmoot ("The Drowned Man"). But my most favourite of all time will always be Maester Cressen, in ACOK's Prologue :crying: Least favourite... probably Bran. Maester Cressen nooooo When Shireen mentioned him in ep2 I got sad all over again. It's was such a nice small detail to have Shireen mentioning him ^_^ I simply love that Cressen was our first POV for Dragonstone, and we got his point-of-view as introduction to this completely new place and all the new characters there; Dragonstone is such a dark, gloomy, dusky place, but Cressen brought such light to it, he was a so caring and warm-hearted person, and for me always one of the most tragical characters. He really could give us an insight - a very personal insight! - into Stannis, that not even Davos can, and oh, his quotes/thoughts... like that: That always brings tears in my eyes :sad: :crying:
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Post by valyrianshadow on Apr 23, 2015 20:40:38 GMT
^^^ ugh I know. Gets me every time! And when they make fun of him omg it's the worst!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 11:20:38 GMT
Yeah, I've hated Melisandre and Selyse ever since they laughed at Cressen.
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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2015 11:27:35 GMT
Yeah, I've hated Melisandre and Selyse ever since they laughed at Cressen. Them bitches
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Post by metopheles on Apr 24, 2015 11:54:43 GMT
I hate Melisandre, but I also love her. This mysterious evilness and riddle about her.
But showMel is annoying. Reduced to a living porn pop up. The body selfconfidence and ritualistic sex from s2 and s3 is now just ridiculous and like a porn.
Wasted talent with the great actress.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 24, 2015 12:18:53 GMT
The body self confidence is actually how Carice feels about herself, I believe.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 12:29:48 GMT
The body self confidence is actually how Carice feels about herself, I believe. It is. She refuses to wear a robe between takes during nude scene shoots. In part to make the crew more comfortable with her being naked around them so that it loses its mystique but in part also because she doesn't think its at all shameful or embarrassing to be naked in front of people.
I love both show Mel and book Mel. I think she's always been the most important part of the Stannis storyline *ducks shoe* and the mysteriousness of her character is matched only by Varys's in ASOIAF. Her POV will be EXTREMELY important in TWOW too.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 24, 2015 12:38:42 GMT
The body self confidence is actually how Carice feels about herself, I believe. It is. She refuses to wear a robe between takes during nude scene shoots. In part to make the crew more comfortable with her being naked around them so that it loses its mystique but in part also because she doesn't think its at all shameful or embarrassing to be naked in front of people.
I love both show Mel and book Mel. I think she's always been the most important part of the Stannis storyline *ducks shoe* and the mysteriousness of her character is matched only by Varys's in ASOIAF. Her POV will be EXTREMELY important in TWOW too.
I thought as much, yes. I think, in general, Europe is more relaxed about being topless etc. than the U.S. At least, that is the impression I have from the few Americans I am friends with. Some of them were baffled when we went to Spain and people were sunbathing topless, was quite funny seeing their reactions. I like book Mel as a character, but wasn't sure about her POV...I think I'd have liked her to remain more mysterious. And allow us to fill in the blanks about her by ourselves. Still, I think her chapter(s) will be great in Winds. Show Mel, I don't see her as hugely different to book Mel actually. Been a bit miffed by changes like having sex with Gendry, but that's nothing to do with the character she is, more the storyline. Even in the books though, she is somewhat sexual (Stannis, Davos, Mance, Jon. She thinks about Davos' son desiring her too iirc)
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Post by Admin on Apr 24, 2015 13:12:09 GMT
The body self confidence is actually how Carice feels about herself, I believe. It is. She refuses to wear a robe between takes during nude scene shoots. In part to make the crew more comfortable with her being naked around them so that it loses its mystique but in part also because she doesn't think its at all shameful or embarrassing to be naked in front of people.
I love both show Mel and book Mel. I think she's always been the most important part of the Stannis storyline *ducks shoe* and the mysteriousness of her character is matched only by Varys's in ASOIAF. Her POV will be EXTREMELY important in TWOW too.
I bet men aren't...comfortable If I was there and say Stephen was walking around naked, I'd get nothing done. I'd also end up in jail. It is. She refuses to wear a robe between takes during nude scene shoots. In part to make the crew more comfortable with her being naked around them so that it loses its mystique but in part also because she doesn't think its at all shameful or embarrassing to be naked in front of people.
I love both show Mel and book Mel. I think she's always been the most important part of the Stannis storyline *ducks shoe* and the mysteriousness of her character is matched only by Varys's in ASOIAF. Her POV will be EXTREMELY important in TWOW too.
I thought as much, yes. I think, in general, Europe is more relaxed about being topless etc. than the U.S. At least, that is the impression I have from the few Americans I am friends with. Some of them were baffled when we went to Spain and people were sunbathing topless, was quite funny seeing their reactions. I like book Mel as a character, but wasn't sure about her POV...I think I'd have liked her to remain more mysterious. And allow us to fill in the blanks about her by ourselves. Still, I think her chapter(s) will be great in Winds. Show Mel, I don't see her as hugely different to book Mel actually. Been a bit miffed by changes like having sex with Gendry, but that's nothing to do with the character she is, more the storyline. Even in the books though, she is somewhat sexual (Stannis, Davos, Mance, Jon. She thinks about Davos' son desiring her too iirc) I think it's a Scandinavian thing. Americans are nuts about nudity - MPAA is fine with violence but show boobs in a movie and it's R rated.
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Post by Quoth on Apr 24, 2015 14:31:44 GMT
As for the books, I enjoy all the POVs with the exceptions of Bran and much of Brienne's "wander the war torn landscape" story line. Both I find tedious. But, Brienne finding and (whatever she's going to be doing with) Jaime will be facinating.
Also, new points of view initially throw me until I settle into the narrative.
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Post by metopheles on Apr 24, 2015 14:46:57 GMT
The body self confidence is actually how Carice feels about herself, I believe. It is. She refuses to wear a robe between takes during nude scene shoots. In part to make the crew more comfortable with her being naked around them so that it loses its mystique but in part also because she doesn't think its at all shameful or embarrassing to be naked in front of people.
I love both show Mel and book Mel. I think she's always been the most important part of the Stannis storyline *ducks shoe* and the mysteriousness of her character is matched only by Varys's in ASOIAF. Her POV will be EXTREMELY important in TWOW too.
Whatwhatwhatwhat? She stays a POV? I thought it was only this one? YES!!!
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Post by metopheles on Apr 24, 2015 14:52:53 GMT
But the show clearly exploits the nakedness for different reasons than nakedness being normal. That was the thing in the first seasons, but since 4 it is just over the top and no longer a social movement or statement, but purely boobs=money and controversy factor. Characters are sometimes reduced to this sex facet of them. Like Oberyn. Not a single line without sex. Or Loras. Loses all the specialness when a character does it. And I am not prude(nor American). Only if it reduces characters and plots.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 24, 2015 15:26:16 GMT
It is. She refuses to wear a robe between takes during nude scene shoots. In part to make the crew more comfortable with her being naked around them so that it loses its mystique but in part also because she doesn't think its at all shameful or embarrassing to be naked in front of people.
I love both show Mel and book Mel. I think she's always been the most important part of the Stannis storyline *ducks shoe* and the mysteriousness of her character is matched only by Varys's in ASOIAF. Her POV will be EXTREMELY important in TWOW too.
Whatwhatwhatwhat? She stays a POV? I thought it was only this one? YES!!!Well she isn't confirmed, but it's a safe bet to assume she is. Apart from the stabbity-stabbity with Jon making it likely someone else will offer eyes on the Wall temporarily, Martin also said he regretted Arys Oakheart's POV because he wasn't able to develop him much in only one chapter, so O don't think we will get anymore single chapter POVs (except prologue/epilogue, obviously). As for the nudity, well, I thought her bath scene in S4 was very good actually. It was a great way to show Mel's power and confidence; even in a situation in which most people would feel they are in the weaker/more vulnerable position (I.e. Being naked) she was in absolute control of things, clearly the more powerful party of her and Selyse. And let's face it, she's an arrogant old toad in the books too.
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Post by metopheles on Apr 24, 2015 15:47:40 GMT
Whatwhatwhatwhat? She stays a POV? I thought it was only this one? YES!!!Well she isn't confirmed, but it's a safe bet to assume she is. Apart from the stabbity-stabbity with Jon making it likely someone else will offer eyes on the Wall temporarily, Martin also said he regretted Arys Oakheart's POV because he wasn't able to develop him much in only one chapter, so O don't think we will get anymore single chapter POVs (except prologue/epilogue, obviously). As for the nudity, well, I thought her bath scene in S4 was very good actually. It was a great way to show Mel's power and confidence; even in a situation in which most people would feel they are in the weaker/more vulnerable position (I.e. Being naked) she was in absolute control of things, clearly the more powerful party of her and Selyse. And let's face it, she's an arrogant old toad in the books too. We could have a prologue character telling Jon's ressurrection. Or Jon's mind. A chapter titled Ghost that turns out to be Jon, similar to the Reek or Alayne chapters, know what I mean? I do of course welcome another pov from the Red Woman, too. That's sad about Oakheart. I enjoyed his the most of the Dornish ones. (weren't there two or three of Arys?) Her bath scene was boarderline. I liked it aswell, because it really went with the confidence and the sassy way and how Selyse accepts it. Hides her anger and decides to like it. And the potions mention. But the showrunners just do too much well written sex scenes. They should focus more on well written plot scenes. And the inclusion of iconic sentences instead of fanfic sex scenes. I still think Mel in the books is a deeper character and uses more methods of seduction and playing with people's minds than her sex appeal. She becomes sort of like a Liana Taillefer from Ninth Gate. But even then, cannot deny that the actress really is the best choice for the role. That haunting accent. The delivery of her lines. Her movements.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2015 22:01:52 GMT
Well she isn't confirmed, but it's a safe bet to assume she is. Apart from the stabbity-stabbity with Jon making it likely someone else will offer eyes on the Wall temporarily, Martin also said he regretted Arys Oakheart's POV because he wasn't able to develop him much in only one chapter, so O don't think we will get anymore single chapter POVs (except prologue/epilogue, obviously). As for the nudity, well, I thought her bath scene in S4 was very good actually. It was a great way to show Mel's power and confidence; even in a situation in which most people would feel they are in the weaker/more vulnerable position (I.e. Being naked) she was in absolute control of things, clearly the more powerful party of her and Selyse. And let's face it, she's an arrogant old toad in the books too. We could have a prologue character telling Jon's ressurrection. Unless Jeyne Westerling has traveled to the Wall, this is not likely.
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Post by metopheles on Apr 28, 2015 22:51:51 GMT
We could have a prologue character telling Jon's ressurrection. Unless Jeyne Westerling has traveled to the Wall, this is not likely. huh?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 28, 2015 23:02:00 GMT
GRRM confirmed last year that Jeyne Westerling will appear in the prologue of Winds (he did not say she would be the prologue character, just that she would appear). I believe he also made some comments regarding the "all prologue characters die" pattern, suggesting it may not necessarily be the case.
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Post by metopheles on Apr 29, 2015 0:21:25 GMT
Jeyne Westerling? Not Poole?
please no more King in the North revival attempts. Just let that idea die, Westerosis of the North and GRRM.
EDIT: Ah, so not a prologue around the wall, but with Westerling. My bad.
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