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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 18:21:47 GMT
I was rewatching season 4 and I can't help but feel a bit dissapointed with the Children of the Forest. I wasnt expecting an actual child. Or the Dragonball Z style fireball. It all seemed a little too fantasy for the series. Like it didn't really belong. I don't know maybe I'm being harsh, but it just bugged me how off they seem from the books. Maybe they'll improve with time, like the White Walkers after Series 1. Maybe it's just me. Anybody else feel a bit let down, or really like them?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 18:25:21 GMT
It's one of my favorite scenes of the entire series. All my Unsullied friends were going nuts. They loved it too.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 18:28:52 GMT
It's one of my favorite scenes of the entire series. All my Unsullied friends were going nuts. They loved it too. I'd probably like it more if I hadn't read the books TBH. I'm probably being a little harsh, but it just felt a little wierd to me. That said, I did love the skeleton wights and Hodor. I love a good bit of Warg-Hodor
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:40:00 GMT
I think all of us who read the books had different impressions on how the Children of the Forest would look from one another as well as how they chose to portray them on the show. It's a tough one because while George is very good at giving a lot of great detail about looks, sometimes the overall feel is still vague and somewhat mysterious which is likely intentional and that's how I always felt about the children. I sort of imagined elf-like almost dryad type fantasy based creatures who had a slightly youthful/childlike look, but not actual 'children' or even tiny. Maybe thin, and shorter but not little people!
I don't know how they would find actors who had just the right look. An "old soul" child is what they went with I think... one who could be mistaken for a child or a very small adult.
I wasn't as disappointed with the looks as I was the special effects they used for the fire balls and the wights/skeleton things. I thought those could have been done much better compared to some of the other great CGI they've done.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 23:59:27 GMT
I think all of us who read the books had different impressions on how the Children of the Forest would look from one another as well as how they chose to portray them on the show. It's a tough one because while George is very good at giving a lot of great detail about looks, sometimes the overall feel is still vague and somewhat mysterious which is likely intentional and that's how I always felt about the children. I sort of imagined elf-like almost dryad type fantasy based creatures who had a slightly youthful/childlike look, but not actual 'children' or even tiny. Maybe thin, and shorter but not little people! I don't know how they would find actors who had just the right look. An "old soul" child is what they went with I think... one who could be mistaken for a child or a very small adult. I wasn't as disappointed with the looks as I was the special effects they used for the fire balls and the wights/skeleton things. I thought those could have been done much better compared to some of the other great CGI they've done. I wasn't too upset with the CGI for the scene. I mean it could have been better, could have been worse. I just wanted to see how people felt about them. The whole Peter Pan thing was just not what I was expecting at all. Then again we've hardly seen anything of them, so its hard for me to really judge them. I always imagined them as being somewhat like elves. Wood Smurfs Who knows, maybe they'll improve on them by next series, since I'm pretty certain they're not in this one.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 1:47:07 GMT
I almost never criticize the show--I don't care if its different than the books, I don't even equate the two. I'm so thrilled that they've brought the characters to life for me, I just love this show. That said, the Asha/Yara 'rescue' of Theon that ended with the hilarious rush to the boats was... ridiculous to me. Embarrassingly clunky and hokey. And the only other scene I felt like that about, was the Children with the fireballs flying around and pop-up skeletons and the fabled, storied Bloodraven being just some old dude sitting in a tree seat. I thought it was awful, all of it. So, la-la-la-la, I just try not to think about it at all, it was so absurd to me.
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Post by day dreamer on May 14, 2015 14:19:42 GMT
I don't know, I liked their Pokemon fire balls.
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Post by King Tommen on May 14, 2015 14:28:51 GMT
The scene was fine for me except for the skeleton stabbing Jojen which ventured very closely to high comedy which I'm guessing was not the intention.
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Post by Nezzer on May 14, 2015 17:27:18 GMT
I almost never criticize the show--I don't care if its different than the books, I don't even equate the two. I'm so thrilled that they've brought the characters to life for me, I just love this show. That said, the Asha/Yara 'rescue' of Theon that ended with the hilarious rush to the boats was... ridiculous to me. Embarrassingly clunky and hokey. And the only other scene I felt like that about, was the Children with the fireballs flying around and pop-up skeletons and the fabled, storied Bloodraven being just some old dude sitting in a tree seat. I thought it was awful, all of it. So, la-la-la-la, I just try not to think about it at all, it was so absurd to me. I think Yara's raid could've been great if it weren't so poorly edited. But yeah, Bloodraven was really disappointing.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 18:13:16 GMT
Yara's attack on the Dreadfort was dumb as fuck and editing had nothing to do with that. Finding Theon and getting so close to killing Ramsay only to get chased away by a bunch of dogs made Yara and the rest of the Ironborn look pathetic.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 18:19:35 GMT
Yara's attack on the Dreadfort was dumb as fuck and editing had nothing to do with that. Finding Theon and getting so close to killing Ramsay only to get chased away by a bunch of dogs made Yara and the rest of the Ironborn look pathetic. Yeah the entire thing was just really badly done. I Remember laughing at the scene afterwards and shaking my head. One of the very few times I had strong criticisms about how they played out a scene in the entire series really. I even forgave the odd way they chose to portray the Children and Bloodraven because I just shrugged it off as artistic choices I didn't agree with. But that Yara comedy exit-stage-right rapidly scene was horrible. They caught a lot of criticism for that.
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Post by King Tommen on May 14, 2015 18:23:31 GMT
Just to be clear, as they've had to explain this multiple times, Yara wasn't scared of the dogs. She left because they were in a stalemate and she knew Theon was lost. That's what she says when she gets back to the boat.
I guess they could have done a better job demonstrating this but that's what was intended. So blame the execution (which directing and editing has a lot to do with) rather than the idea.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 18:27:58 GMT
Just to be clear, as they've had to explain this multiple times, Yara wasn't scared of the dogs. She left because they were in a stalemate and she knew Theon was lost. That's what she says when she gets back to the boat. I guess they could have done a better job demonstrating this but that's what was intended. So blame the execution (which directing and editing has a lot to do with) rather than the idea. I do remember her saying that - but trying to downplay the ridiculousness of the whole thing still doesn't help make it better. It's like saying "Oh but this cake still tastes like a cake even though it's half baked!" No. No excuses. That was a crappy scene all the way around.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 18:40:41 GMT
Just to be clear, as they've had to explain this multiple times, Yara wasn't scared of the dogs. She left because they were in a stalemate and she knew Theon was lost. That's what she says when she gets back to the boat. I guess they could have done a better job demonstrating this but that's what was intended. So blame the execution (which directing and editing has a lot to do with) rather than the idea. I do remember her saying that - but trying to downplay the ridiculousness of the whole thing still doesn't help make it better. It's like saying "Oh but this cake still tastes like a cake even though it's half baked!" No. No excuses. That was a crappy scene all the way around. Agreed. And I'm not even sure I buy it as a stalemate either. Yara and the Iron Born outnumbered Ramsay and his lackies, they could have taken him and dragged Theon kicking and screaming.
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Post by day dreamer on May 14, 2015 20:02:23 GMT
That whole Yara rescue was done so terribly. Sure, they said stalemate, but the fact that they've apparently had to comment on that more than once means they didn't successfully pull it off. There's always going to be people who "don't get" a scene, but I think to the majority, it looked like those dogs ran them off. It was just poorly staged.
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Post by Nezzer on May 14, 2015 22:10:53 GMT
Ok, it was terrible, but I don't think the idea was bad. They should've ditched the dogs and make the arrival of reinforcements the thing that makes Yara run. I wouldn't mind if they kept Ramsay fighting shirtless, I actually liked that, but he should've had more backup.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 23:45:08 GMT
I personally think the Yara thing was just a bid to give the actress at least one scene in the series to justify keeping her under contract for the series. Otherwise she might commit to another project and have to be recast. Just my opinion. It was teased at the end of S3, but it definitely could of been handled better.
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Post by King Tommen on May 15, 2015 0:13:44 GMT
They basically had to find a way for her to go on the raid but maintain the status quo by not succeeding but also by not dying and getting away unscathed. There were only so many options available to accomplish that. The main point of the entire endeavour was to have Yara realize that Theon was completely off the reservation and unsalvageable and that's what happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 3:00:39 GMT
They basically had to find a way for her to go on the raid but maintain the status quo by not succeeding but also by not dying and getting away unscathed. There were only so many options available to accomplish that. The main point of the entire endeavour was to have Yara realize that Theon was completely off the reservation and unsalvageable and that's what happened. Agreed. I remember watching this with my Unsullied friends and we were freaking out. We loved it.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 3:19:49 GMT
The children were very disappointing. i wanted them to look like another race not like a human child with no eyebrows
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