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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:14:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:19:21 GMT
Fighting scene? Daznak's Pit.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 12, 2015 11:08:37 GMT
"cleverly set-up the topic of greyscale earlier this season"
By mentioning it at every possible opportunity because they realised they had never actually addressed it before now
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Post by King Tyrion I on May 12, 2015 12:13:03 GMT
I just found this on YT.
Nice work, D&D!
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 12:51:31 GMT
I just found this on YT. Nice work, D&D! They really know how to shoot scenes. That stone man stuntman jumping to the water was great. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 16:44:02 GMT
"cleverly set-up the topic of greyscale earlier this season" By mentioning it at every possible opportunity because they realised they had never actually addressed it before now Now, lets be fair. The grey scale was on Shireen up to now. I doubt nine out of ten unsullied actually remembered who she was other than "the girl who lives in the angry kings house" |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 16:48:07 GMT
Did GRRM even mention the stone men before Tyrion was on the river? I honestly don't remember
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 12, 2015 18:20:21 GMT
"cleverly set-up the topic of greyscale earlier this season" By mentioning it at every possible opportunity because they realised they had never actually addressed it before now Now, lets be fair. The grey scale was on Shireen up to now. I doubt nine out of ten unsullied actually remembered who she was other than "the girl who lives in the angry kings house" I get that Stannis/Davos couldn't just waltz into her room and say "Hey Shireen! How's that greyscale coming along?" maybe other conversations could have at least namedropped the disease - like any time Selyse spoke about her - in 402 or 407 or something. |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 18:44:51 GMT
Now, lets be fair. The grey scale was on Shireen up to now. I doubt nine out of ten unsullied actually remembered who she was other than "the girl who lives in the angry kings house" I get that Stannis/Davos couldn't just waltz into her room and say "Hey Shireen! How's that greyscale coming along?" maybe other conversations could have at least namedropped the disease - like any time Selyse spoke about her - in 402 or 407 or something. Yeah, but I honestly dont think they planned that far ahead with this kind of thing. They could have mentioned what was wrong with her to begin with, as far back as season 1 or 2. but nope. It's bad planning. Kind of like how Tyrion tells Theon how his imaginary "uncles" burned the Lannisport fleet. Also I'd say "nothing better than watching sailors burn alive" was foreshadowing the Blackwater, but I honestly think it's a coincidence. Unless it was actually one of the best future references on the show. |
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2015 19:08:26 GMT
What's really making me disappointed in this seasons's writing is that for the first time ever this is getting predictable - that Aemon's Targaryen line basically wasn't even foreshadowing, but a spoiler. And the greyscale thing - so many people guessed that this is gonna happen.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 12, 2015 19:22:34 GMT
D&D: "Subtlety? Never heard of it."
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Post by Admin on May 12, 2015 19:31:14 GMT
D&D: "Subtlety? Never heard of it." Yeah but it's worse than ever this year :/ |
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 22:06:28 GMT
D&D: "Subtlety? Never heard of it." Yeah but it's worse than ever this year :/ You know why their subtlety is getting worse? Because for the first time, they do not have an abundance of book material and George's phenomenal writing to fall back on and make their stuff look better with their twists and decisions to change things from the books. Now they are going purely on what they likely know (but not entire chapters or descriptions) from TWOW and onward. It's making their work look less clever than it was up to this point because no matter how good they are, the two of them will never match Mr. Martin word for word, plot twist for plot twist. Period.  |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 8:20:15 GMT
Other the Stonemen and Meryn Trant, I don't see how the season is any more predictable. The series has always had plot points that were easy to predict, if there weren't it wouldn't at all be satisfying. Most of the twists people complain about the most are the ones that come out of nowhere (The Shadowbaby, Aegon). I don't count R+L = J because that was always incredibly obvious in the books too, not subtle at all.
Pretty much nobody knows what's going to happen in the North. None of the Unsullied seem to have any clue what's gonna happen in Meereen, or at the Wall. Same thing with KL. These are all points that only seem predictable to book readers.
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2015 8:55:40 GMT
Other the Stonemen and Meryn Trant, I don't see how the season is any more predictable. The series has always had plot points that were easy to predict, if there weren't it wouldn't at all be satisfying. Most of the twists people complain about the most are the ones that come out of nowhere (The Shadowbaby, Aegon). I don't count R+L = J because that was always incredibly obvious in the books too, not subtle at all. Pretty much nobody knows what's going to happen in the North. None of the Unsullied seem to have any clue what's gonna happen in Meereen, or at the Wall. Same thing with KL. These are all points that only seem predictable to book readers. Other seasons had foreshadowing, even cleverly hidden or hinted at in a way so subtle they could have been the nods to bookreaders (the leech exploding in fire, next shot - Joffrey drinks wine). This season they are pointing to Olly stabbing Jon, Jon being a Targaryen, Dany getting out of dodge so strongly some of the non book readers I know who never ever thought of Jon's parents because they didn't care literally went OH MY GOD in this Aemon scene because it was so damn obvious |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 9:19:23 GMT
The joffrey hint you say is subtle really isn't subtle at all. But once again, non-readers didn't see it. Because often things that are setup don't happen in the show.
That Olly thing, I haven't seen any non-readers guessing where it will go. They had to show he was upset, but then most of the Nightswatch was. How else to demonstrate that the move was unpopular? The Dany thing is completely obvious from a narrative viewpoint, and it always has been, but they haven't been dropping any strong hints that it will happen soon at all.
As for R+L=J, it was obvious in the books, I don't see what the problem is in making it obvious in the show.
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Post by freypies on May 13, 2015 10:18:37 GMT
Now, lets be fair. The grey scale was on Shireen up to now. I doubt nine out of ten unsullied actually remembered who she was other than "the girl who lives in the angry kings house" I get that Stannis/Davos couldn't just waltz into her room and say "Hey Shireen! How's that greyscale coming along?" maybe other conversations could have at least namedropped the disease - like any time Selyse spoke about her - in 402 or 407 or something. I don't think it's important enough to be mentioned constantly though. The foreshadowing worked really well in this case imo. |
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Post by Admin on May 13, 2015 10:18:53 GMT
The joffrey hint you say is subtle really isn't subtle at all. But once again, non-readers didn't see it. Because often things that are setup don't happen in the show. That Olly thing, I haven't seen any non-readers guessing where it will go. They had to show he was upset, but then most of the Nightswatch was. How else to demonstrate that the move was unpopular? The Dany thing is completely obvious from a narrative viewpoint, and it always has been, but they haven't been dropping any strong hints that it will happen soon at all. As for R+L=J, it was obvious in the books, I don't see what the problem is in making it obvious in the show. Well it seems you and I are have different experiences when it comes to people who we know and watch the show and what they pick up on. But I think there is no way anyone who doesn't know of PW would have guessed based on that scene transition. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 10:33:14 GMT
Fair enough. Though mostly my impressions come from online unsullied forums, my friends don't do all that much predicting. Everyone is saying Olly and the Faith Militant are trouble, but I'd be surprised if anyone had guessed exactly where it was going. Perhaps the people you know are more observant.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 13, 2015 12:15:05 GMT
I get that Stannis/Davos couldn't just waltz into her room and say "Hey Shireen! How's that greyscale coming along?" maybe other conversations could have at least namedropped the disease - like any time Selyse spoke about her - in 402 or 407 or something. I don't think it's important enough to be mentioned constantly though. The foreshadowing worked really well in this case imo. Yeah, but they seemed to completely ignore it up until this point, where it's mentioned frequently. Just a quick mention here or there as to why Shireen looks like that instead of pretending it's normal (although I get that she and her family are used to it) |
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