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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 21:12:31 GMT
Do we think there is a possibility D&D don't know of her other names? Surely they know, right? Even if they didn't, they can't be so stupid as to not realise that LSH would be the first thing many people think of when they hear "mother's mercy". |
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Post by Admin on May 28, 2015 21:24:37 GMT
Do we think there is a possibility D&D don't know of her other names? Surely they know, right? Even if they didn't, they can't be so stupid as to not realise that LSH would be the first thing many people think of when they hear "mother's mercy". Oh, you have way more faith in them than I do  |
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Post by greatjon on May 28, 2015 21:28:59 GMT
I think they are clearly trolling. There will be no LS.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 28, 2015 21:45:51 GMT
"Mother's Mercy"? You have got to be kidding
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Post by Nezzer on May 28, 2015 22:31:13 GMT
I don't know, I like their work, but D&D strike me as huge dickheads for some reason. I wouldn't be surprised if they trolled us again on purpose.
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Post by greatjon on May 28, 2015 22:52:46 GMT
I wouldn't expect anything else from them to be honest.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 2:27:01 GMT
I don't know, I like their work, but D&D strike me as huge dickheads for some reason. I wouldn't be surprised if they trolled us again on purpose. I doubt it even occurred to them that they were referencing Stoneheart. "Mother Merciless" is said maybe once I think I really don't think they're trying to troll hardcore fans of the books. I doubt they care at all about what Stoneheart fans think. |
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Post by Paid Debt Lannister on May 29, 2015 2:56:20 GMT
Oh if she is not in, that was intentional. There is no way this is a coincidence, with all the suspense and stuff. We know they are jackasses from interviews anyway
(If she is in I'll never rise a word against them, though)
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 3:00:50 GMT
Here are all the things I came up with that "Mother's Mercy" could mean ... 1. Cersei's walk of shame and begging the Mother's forgiveness in front of the Sparrows and probably all of King's Landing.2. Arya's "Mercy" chapter and House of Black and White Gods (they've played up the statues a lot in there)
3 . Dorne: Ellaria begs for mercy for herself and her daughter to Doran (the kneeling scene)4. Daenerys: showing mercy to Tyrion, possibly Jorah, her chained up children, slavers ... who knows! 5. Winterfell: ... Walda's going to be a Mother... will Ramsay do something awful?? - nah.  6. Winterfell: Maybe Sansa praying in the sept for mercy from the Mother due to her continued abuse - (she did a lot of that in the books) ... she desperately needs the Mother's Mercy but the Mother she needs won't show up ... again.  7. Selyse preventing Shireen from burning as speculated previously? 8. The Wall - Gilly's the only Mother there so unless something goes terribly wrong for her baby ... ugh. Nothin' here. 9. Jon Snow ... R+L=J REVEAL..... (yes I am trolling)  10. Lady Stoneheart .... trolling (I don't think they're gonna do it, sadly ). Don't hate on me. Just trying to come up with some sort of reasonable speculations here!  EDIT: Re-arranged my list in order of which I felt were most likely and highlighted ... |
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Post by King Tommen on May 29, 2015 3:02:59 GMT
Even Elio didn't see the connection and that guy can tell you every Targaryen king in successive order and who all their siblings were.
If you're an obsessive LSH fan, then I can see how this can feel like trolling. For 99.99% of the rest of the audience, this is directly referencing a major event that will happen in the episode which both the show and books have called "Mother's Mercy".
So it's up to you whether you want to see what you want to see from this and get bent out of shape when it inevitably doesn't happen. I'll probably just enjoy the episode.
And for anyone who truly follows the comments and actions of D&D, you know in your heart that they don't intentionally troll book fans, they are way too busy and have their heads in the sand when it comes to what they need to do on the show to bother with that.
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Post by Nezzer on May 29, 2015 3:04:41 GMT
Maybe Sansa will find out she's pregnant and will show mercy to her Bolton baby (rofl)
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 3:07:40 GMT
Highlighted my top three most likely interpretations of "Mother's Mercy" in my list from last post...
I think this is pretty straightforward main reference to walk of shame with some minor symbolic references to mercy given to characters who we have speculated were in serious trouble.
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Post by King Tommen on May 29, 2015 3:09:47 GMT
I mean if I was a hardcore Aegon fan (I'm not), wouldn't I think that the E9 title "The Dance of Dragons" is totally trolling me? I mean, I know it's about Daznak's but the titles always have dual meanings right? Why would they do this to me unless they intentionally wanted to screw with me? There can't be any other reason. I've been waiting for a long time for Aegon to show up and they shouldn't be faking me out like this.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 3:50:45 GMT
Yeah, I really don't think a choice in episode title constitutes trolling. Very few people involved in the show's production read fandom forums (I know D and D and GrrM sure don't) so I doubt they know that we all read as much into episode titles as we do. And as much as I like episode titles to refer to many different storylines, most times they don't. I don't think they go, "Will this episode title be somewhat misleading for some people online who put two and two together", the episodes just have to have name and sometimes they come up with good ones and sometimes they don't.
(I still wish the Garden of Bones had've been called the Hour of the Wolf because of Robb's victory and Tyrion saying that phrase to Lancel).
As much as I think LSH would've made for good tv, I really don't see how she could possibly fit into s5, particularly into a 61 minute episode that'll already be packed to the brim resolving the seasons' many storylines. Mother's Mercy refers most obviously to Cersei pleading for just that from the Faith, perhaps to Arya if she takes the name "Mercy" in the show and to Dany given the whole "the dragon's mercy", Mhysa vs. Mother of Dragons self-questioning of her Dothraki sea chapter.
If it turns out to mean more than that I'll be pleasantly surprised but I really don't see how it could at this point. Anyhow, there's enough good stuff in the episode and I don't want to ruin it for myself by glancing at my clock and going "When'll LSH show up? When'll LSH show up?" while it airs like I did for the last two finales.
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Post by Admin on May 29, 2015 4:21:27 GMT
Even Elio didn't see the connection and that guy can tell you every Targaryen king in successive order and who all their siblings were. If you're an o bsessive LSH fan, then I can see how this can feel like trolling. For 99.99% of the rest of the audience, this is directly referencing a major event that will happen in the episode which both the show and books have called "Mother's Mercy". So it's up to you whether you want to see what you want to see from this and get bent out of shape when it inevitably doesn't happen. I'll probably just enjoy the episode. And for anyone who truly follows the comments and actions of D&D, you know in your heart that they don't intentionally troll book fans, they are way too busy and have their heads in the sand when it comes to what they need to do on the show to bother with that. JFC do you not see how offensively condescending you are being? |
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Post by Admin on May 29, 2015 4:23:12 GMT
I know some people here think D&D's shit don't stink but just look at the number of people who made the connection - separately - relating the title to LS. I mean, come on, I'm all for defending when it has a merit but you are either saying they know the nickname - which they really fucking should - and went with the title anyways, or don't know it which makes them less observant than an average fan who read the books
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 4:44:01 GMT
Yeah, I really don't think a choice in episode title constitutes trolling. Very few people involved in the show's production read fandom forums (I know D and D and GrrM sure don't) so I doubt they know that we all read as much into episode titles as we do. And as much as I like episode titles to refer to many different storylines, most times they don't. I don't think they go, "Will this episode title be somewhat misleading for some people online who put two and two together", the episodes just have to have name and sometimes they come up with good ones and sometimes they don't. (I still wish the Garden of Bones had've been called the Hour of the Wolf because of Robb's victory and Tyrion saying that phrase to Lancel). As much as I think LSH would've made for good tv, I really don't see how she could possibly fit into s5, particularly into a 61 minute episode that'll already be packed to the brim resolving the seasons' many storylines. Mother's Mercy refers most obviously to Cersei pleading for just that from the Faith, perhaps to Arya if she takes the name "Mercy" in the show and to Dany given the whole "the dragon's mercy", Mhysa vs. Mother of Dragons self-questioning of her Dothraki sea chapter. If it turns out to mean more than that I'll be pleasantly surprised but I really don't see how it could at this point. Anyhow, there's enough good stuff in the episode and I don't want to ruin it for myself by glancing at my clock and going "When'll LSH show up? When'll LSH show up?" while it airs like I did for the last two finales. Nicely worded. There is also the issue of timing, which literally couldn't be worse, given that this is the episode with For the Watch. Two resurrections in a single episode? The howls of ridicule would be immediate, loud and sustained. I can hear it already, every time a character dies, 'HAHA, but who knows if he's really, you know, dead dead? He might pop up again any moment! And hey, who else has been dead for years but they're not really dead dead? How about Ned, Robb, Oberyn! I want Oberyn back' Resurrection of the dead-but-not-dead would become a running joke for the rest of the series.
Even if Jon's 'death' is left as a cliff-hanger, which I doubt (Kit is way to pretty and way to recognizable to hide til next year), I think his being stabbed 'to death' will be quite dramatic and awful to see, ala Julius Caesar. Catelyn's death was certainly absolutely awful. Then, prop them both back up in the same episode? Un-doable, IMO. The ridicule probably would 'break the internet.' 
I loved Stoneheart in the books, loved her. Her existence was the only catharsis I ever felt after the terrible trauma of the Red Wedding. But show-wise, she simply doesn't exist. Her time has come and gone. It's too late for her now.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 4:47:47 GMT
Nicely worded. There is also the issue of timing, which literally couldn't be worse, given that this is the episode with For the Watch. Two resurrections in a single episode? The howls of ridicule would be immediate, loud and sustained. I can hear it already, every time a character dies, 'HAHA, but who knows if he's really, you know, dead dead? He might pop up again any moment! And hey, who else has been dead for years but they're not really dead dead? How about Ned, Robb, Oberyn! I want Oberyn back' Resurrection of the dead-but-not-dead would become a running joke for the rest of the series.
Even if Jon's 'death' is left as a cliff-hanger, which I doubt (Kit is way to pretty and way to recognizable to hide til next year), I think his being stabbed 'to death' will be quite dramatic and awful to see, ala Julius Caesar. Catelyn's death was certainly absolutely awful. Then, prop them both back up in the same episode? Un-doable, IMO. The ridicule probably would 'break the internet.'
I loved Stoneheart in the books, loved her. Her existence was the only catharsis I ever felt after the terrible trauma of the Red Wedding. But show-wise, she simply doesn't exist. Her time has come and gone. It's too late for her now.
I don't think Jon's resurrection will be in episode. If they were to show him still breathing after he collapsed and leave it ambiguous as to whether he was dead or not, or even had his eyes roll up in his head to show he's warging into Ghost, it could be much more of a "Is he dead? Holy shit he's a warg" moment rather than a "what the fuck, they just killed Jon" type of shocker.
I can't see anything other than For the Watch closing the season really.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 4:57:25 GMT
^ I worded that badly, then. I believe his eyes will roll up to show that he's warging into Ghost. So as you say, it will be a 'Holy shit, he warged into Ghost!' But I believe his being stabbed will be so dramatic and will seem so obviously fatal, that him surviving the stabbing by whatever means will seem...somewhat miraculous. It still then, would seem wildly improbable (just my opinion, of course) that Stoneheart similarly has somehow 'survived' her horrible death. One miraculous, magical 'Wut??' survival in an episode would be acceptable, two would be (dare I say it) over-kill.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 5:05:34 GMT
Wouldn't LSH need to be the final scene, which would completely overshadow FTW which also is so monumental that it needs to be the final scene?
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