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Post by kingeomer on May 11, 2015 10:51:06 GMT
Anyone else catch how Aemon says "A Targaryen alone is a dangerous thing" and then the camera pans up to Jon? Good catch, I noticed that too! |
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Post by mattpeto on May 11, 2015 11:08:59 GMT
Anyone else catch how Aemon says "A Targaryen alone is a dangerous thing" and then the camera pans up to Jon? Good catch, I noticed that too! I did a fist pump, rewinded the scene and told my wife (who observes the show and the plotlines from afar) and she thought it was cool too. |
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Post by boojam on May 11, 2015 11:23:55 GMT
They don't just change the credits simply because something isn't in that particular episode. I mean, the Watchers on the Wall was only at Castle Black but they didn't just do The Wall in the beginning. They are only going to change the credit sequence if a new and important place comes up. They didn't used to. Seasons 1-3 , I think, they always had KL, Winterfell, The Wall and something in Essos (those are always 'Map References') , but the maps featured places where a filmed scene took place (of course sometimes a place like CB stood for Beyond the Wall too). Since somewhere in season 4 due to budget or something else they have a mixed bag, for instance the Eyrie just vanishes even when where is a definite scene there. So it didn't used to be that way. Found this: www.hitfix.com/whats-alan-watching/why-doesnt-the-game-of-thrones-map-always-match-up-with-where-the-story-is/The absence of the Eyrie for season 4 still unexplained. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 11:33:23 GMT
Also, it looks like Grey Worm will survive. So, where is he when Daznak's pit happens? I still don't understand what happens to the Unsullied if Grey Worm dies, cast a new commander of the Unsullied? I don't think D&D cotton to new castings this far in. The Unsullied become irrelevant ? That would be odd. That's why I hope he won't die. If he does it will unnecessarily complicate matters, IMHO. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 12:13:39 GMT
best episode of the season! The only thing i took issue with is Dany proposing the marriage. She didn't even receive any pressure for the marriage it kinda came out of the blue. Also no "don't make me rue the day i raped your mother" i was waiting for that line! but the scene was awesome. Jorah has greyscale  well i guess quite a few of us saw this coming. Kinda confirms Jorah will die in place of JonCon I wonder if greyscale helps against white walkers? It would be funny if Stannis wants Sam to read up on how to save them from the walkers and his daughter is the solution! EDIT: Oh yeh almost forgot. too much naked Myranda wtf wheres arya? i really thought she'd be in more episodes. its actually turning out the opposite. Sansa is in every episode and Arya is being sidelined. |
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Post by Enid on May 11, 2015 12:45:16 GMT
Arya is one of the main characters that has way less screen time than she deserves, along with Bran.
I'm not a big fan of this episode, some scenes were good (poor Sansa having dinner with the Boltons, Stannis obsession with grammar, Jorah and Tyrion) but other times I felt like they were too long.
Hi by the way!!
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 11, 2015 12:52:40 GMT
Arya is one of the main characters that has way less screen time than she deserves, along with Bran. I'm not a big fan of this episode, some scenes were good (poor Sansa having dinner with the Boltons, Stannis obsession with grammar, Jorah and Tyrion) but other times I felt like they were too long. Hi by the way!! Welcome! And don't worry - Arya will be back next week |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 12:59:57 GMT
Arya is still getting a ton of screen time. She's just in fewer episodes.
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Post by Enid on May 11, 2015 13:02:43 GMT
Welcome! And don't worry - Arya will be back next week Thanks!! I saw the promo and I'm looking forward to it, I think I'll like next week's episode more than this, I really want to see Arya, Cersei creating chaos in KL, Olenna, and poor Sansa's wedding (please please please have Stannis attack before she has to sleep with that psycho). |
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Post by sj4iy on May 11, 2015 13:28:10 GMT
It's true, he did quietly put him in his place with the pregnancy announcement. But if you think Ramsay is going to behave himself just because Daddy reminded him who he really is, you're crazier than he is  - That man is pure bonafied psychopath ... it's going to drive him over the edge. The only thing I can think probably saved everyone (esp Sansa) from a quicker transformation to Mr. Hyde mode is Roose plotting war with Stannis and the impending attack on it's way. The one thing that will keep Ramsay distracted is something more important to do for Dad that also involves killing which he likes best of all. Hopefully he'll forget about much tormenting of Reek or Sansa while helping Roose plan for war. The wedding will proceed, they'll want to get that out of the way first I suppose ... some tiny part of me was hopeful Stannis would attack before that dreadful occasion could happen but that's wishful thinking. Oh, I never said that Ramsay would behave...I'm just saying that Roose knows how to push his buttons, which is important when managing a sadistic psychopath like Ramsay. |
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Post by sj4iy on May 11, 2015 13:35:43 GMT
Arya is one of the main characters that has way less screen time than she deserves, along with Bran. I'm not a big fan of this episode, some scenes were good (poor Sansa having dinner with the Boltons, Stannis obsession with grammar, Jorah and Tyrion) but other times I felt like they were too long. Hi by the way!! If a character doesn't have the storyline to support seeing them every week, then there's no reason to include them every week. Really, almost no character gets included every week. Arya has one of the sparsest storylines this season, so it only makes sense that we don't see week after week of her sweeping and doing menial tasks. |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 14:10:30 GMT
Stone Men attack was a great scene and so was everything in Winterfell (except Brienne & Pod). I was hoping for "Rue the day" but I guess we will see it later on, if at all.  I just pray to every god ever prayed to that they will include "A Peaceful Land, A Quiet People."  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 14:41:13 GMT
The dinner scene with Ramsay was appropriately awkward and creepy. I still don't understand why Roose indulges Ramsay in his appalling behavior like that. To me it lessens his power to let that little twit be a complete jackass in front of Sansa but I guess he didn't want to make the situation worse? This was the worst episode of the season for me, usually I love Cogman's episodes and this one did not do it for me. I totally agree with you about Roose indulging Ramsey. He's the one in charge and he's smart enough to know that Sansa doesn't care either way if he tells Ramsey to stop it or not. It does lessen his power every time he lets Ramsey say and do what he wants and then tells him in private, "No, Ramsey, don't do that." He reminds me of a passive mother at the playground whose kid is tormenting other kids and she says in sing song voice, "No, Special Snowflake, we don't do that." Roose needs to snatch him up and smack him around a little. This is the same man that was trying to get Robb Stark to flay people a couple of seasons back, right? Alfie Allen is the best acting in Winterfell. He's so good, even when he doesn't have a lot of lines-the facial expressions, the fear, the trembling. I really do hope he goes on to big things after Thrones. Seeing him cry in the previews and having a good idea as to why that is broke my heart. I liked Sansa's snarky remarks to Ramsey and Walda at dinner, "This is my home, it is not strange to me. The people in it are." I don't give Walda or her child much chance of survival. That child is replacing Domeric Bolton from the books. Did we really need a scene of Stannis reminding the viewers as to who Sam's father is? That was an unnecessary info dump especially since Stannis has been on the wall for at least 6 episodes now and had to have run into Sam at some point. Though next to Sansa's snarky remarks at the dinner from Hell, Stannis wins the night for me for his grammar correction. I still don't understand how Greyworm survived a sword through the stomach and his and Missandei's scenes stop time for me. I can't see how the dragon's BBQ-ing people is going to win the folks of Meereen over to Dany, even if she does marry Hizdar. Emilia Clarke remains flat as ever and Kit Harington wasn't that great this episode either (the scene with Tormund was good). I don't think this is going to be a good time for Jon to leave the Wall since no one is happy with him, but he has no choice. My favorite scenes of the episode were the end with the Stone Men. And seeing it revealed that Jorah has Greyscale (hello Jon Connington/Victorian replacement). Now here is what I don't understand about the show version of Greyscale. Shireen and Stannis says she's cured from it, that she will always have the markings but it won't spread. This episode seems to suggest it's contagious. I know Tyrion's not going to get it but it seems like Jorah is a epidemic waiting to happen. And while I am happy there are Northmen who remember (and not Ramsey) wouldn't the old lady in Winterfell know Sansa is in danger just by having to marry into the Bolton family? No candle for alert should be needed? Was that the memo from Brienne? Interesting thing: Roose never calls Sansa by name, just the Stark girl. He reminds me of Hank's father on King of the Hill who called Peggy "Hank's wife." I thought Kit was excellent. One of his best performances ever. Same with Emilia. |
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Post by Nezzer on May 11, 2015 16:26:49 GMT
Stone Men attack was a great scene and so was everything in Winterfell (except Brienne & Pod). I was hoping for "Rue the day" but I guess we will see it later on, if at all. I just pray to every god ever prayed to that they will include "A Peaceful Land, A Quiet People." Yeah, I can't wait for those epic lines. I loved his "You disgraced yourself at dinner" though  |
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 16:57:31 GMT
Re: Dany's somewhat rushed wedding plans ...
At first glance, this felt weird to me as well considering all the build-up to it I remembered from the books. But then I remembered how much I disliked all that build up and most of the confusing, draggy bits in Meereen story anyways and that helped.
But after re-watching the episode again and thinking on it (I usually digest it more the next day) - I think I rather like the change and here is why:
1. It puts Dany in more control of her decision. It's a leadership decision on her part and not coercion. That was the point of the scene between she and Missandei - to point out that Dany often makes the best decisions when her "true Targaryen" comes out and not when she's listening to her many advisors. Nod to book fans there since that was our biggest complaint in the book - all those advisors we don't have in the show were muddying the situation.
2. It swiftly and concisely wrapped up the entire pit and masters issue in one very short scene. Would I have rather have had a dragged out tiresome parade of more advisors and court scenes with sniveling weird characters I didn't like anyways? No. No I would not. So this this change suits me just fine.
3. It was actually quite funny. Hizdahr was looking quite rumpled and nappy there - and he got sent to his knees to beg for mercy and found out he was actually proposing marriage. I loved it - shock for the win as it puts Dany completely in control and if he doesn't understand that or how carefully he better tread (esp if he's the leader or henchman of the harpies) then I don't know what else to say. He almost got eaten by a dragon... who the hell is going to tempt fate twice on that after learning he'll marry the queen instead of being BBQ?
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:13:32 GMT
I agree with all of that envie. Especially since I thought the whole marriage proposal was incredibly dumb in the books. I mean, Dany isn't even slightly suspicious that Hizdahr managed to stop the Harpies attacking? Why would they just because he said so, unless he was the man in charge? I know someone is going to tell me that random shaved guy is behind it, but I don't believe that.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:22:00 GMT
I agree with all of that envie. Especially since I thought the whole marriage proposal was incredibly dumb in the books. I mean, Dany isn't even slightly suspicious that Hizdahr managed to stop the Harpies attacking? Why would they just because he said so, unless he was the man in charge? I know someone is going to tell me that random shaved guy is behind it, but I don't believe that. Shavepate is behind it. He is Roose of Meereen. I was going to say that he is LF of Meereen, but then I remembered that show LF is dumb. To be honest, I don't know or don't care who is the Harpy. Personally I believe it is all three; Hizdahr, Shavepate and Green Grace in cahoots, but I don't care. |
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Post by King Tommen on May 11, 2015 17:29:31 GMT
It's really hard to care too much about any of the politics of Meereen when we all know that Dany is just going to say "fuck it" and leave for Westeros anyways without any of these characters being mentioned again.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 17:32:27 GMT
I agree with all of that envie. Especially since I thought the whole marriage proposal was incredibly dumb in the books. I mean, Dany isn't even slightly suspicious that Hizdahr managed to stop the Harpies attacking? Why would they just because he said so, unless he was the man in charge? I know someone is going to tell me that random shaved guy is behind it, but I don't believe that. Shavepate is behind it. He is Roose of Meereen. I was going to say that he is LF of Meereen, but then I remembered that show LF is dumb. To be honest, I don't know or don't care who is the Harpy. Personally I believe it is all three; Hizdahr, Shavepate and Green Grace in cahoots, but I don't care. Exactly. Both of you are seeing it. Who really cares who the leader of the Harpies is? It's obviously one of the disgruntled Masters or Noble houses - we know that - we don't need a long dragged out political mess to shrug it off and want them all dead. Most of us wouldn't have given one fig if Dany had let the dragons eat them all but she did that to threaten the others and let them know whoever it is better go back and stop the Harpy attacks or dragons are going to get much fat. It doesn't work though, we know that already ... it's one of the few plots we still have left from the book before the Meereen story goes completely off the charts for what we know anyways. Dany's marriage to Hizzy is pointless - it doesn't work or help but it's a plot device to get her where she was at the end of ADWD with the flight on Drogon. Serious shit has to go down for her to just flip everyone the bird and take off! |
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Post by Admin on May 11, 2015 17:33:07 GMT
25 mins in the ep and there were FIVE mentions of Catelyn already
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well i guess quite a few of us saw this coming. Kinda confirms Jorah will die in place of JonCon 
- That man is pure bonafied psychopath ... it's going to drive him over the edge. 
