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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 12:01:12 GMT
actually i changed my mind. nothing made sense plot-wise except stannis/shireen, tyrion/jorah Barristan getting killed by some harpy scum....i can't.    |
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Post by King Tommen on May 4, 2015 13:38:48 GMT
It's really important to show that these "random Harpy guys" are an actual threat and not a bunch of faceless storm troopers that our heroes can dispose of because there isn't a recognizable named villain there. Daznak's Pit will now have an added layer of danger for Dany because of this very scene so I applaud them for making this kind of bold move. The Harpy threat wasn't going to be legitimized until this happened.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 13:55:06 GMT
I gave it a 9. Pros and cons + Mannis & Shireen, not as touching as I was led to believe by you guys but still touching enough  + Mel!   + Jaime & Bronn vs dornish guards + Barristan's fighting skills. When he appeared on the street, the cheerful music started, I am sure if I had not spoiled myself, I would've thought that Barry would save the day. Even though he died, still epic as fuck. + Lancel becoming the face of Faith Militant + Jonathan Pryce + Mace being honoured by the Kingsguard escourt, while he doesn't realize that Meryn is there propably to kill him? + Pycelle + Stannis snarking at Selyse + Jon sending a letter to Roose + Tyrion's muffing when he was cuffed + Tommen being weak Cons - Cheesy Sand Snake introduction - Ellaria out of character - Obara's actresses bad acting. How did she get an Oscar? - Faith Militant destroying beer/mead/whatever alcohol it was - Barristan's death - No Roose - Littlefinger - Cheesy Sand Snake introduction - Loras being captured so easily - Margaery just being a bitch to Tommen - Cheesy Sand Snakes |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:18:09 GMT
9
This could have been better than episode 3, but it had some pretty lame scenes in it. The Sand Snake scene is the worst Game of Thrones scene in history, the acting is absolutely rubbish and the characters are super cheesy and forced. Just like they were in the books. Greyjoys > Sand Snakes.
Stannis is getting a lot of screen time and that's good. They're finally developing his character. He had great scenes in this episode and his scene with Shireen was truly wonderful. Sinners be aware! Lovely to see HBO seizing another opportunity to show us Carice's boobs.
Loved Sansa's and LF's scene in the crypt.. until LF said that he's gonna gamble on Stannis. He wouldn't survive bookStannis, that's for sure. The show is now actively forcing the audience to learn about Rhaegar and Lyanna. That's a good sign for those who believe in R+L=J.
Cersei suggesting the Faith Militant is a bit on the odd side, but I'll let it slip. Otherwise the Faith Militant was well brought to life. The 'faith rampage' was epic as well.
The fight scene between the Unsullied and SoH was great.. but aren't Unsullied supposed to fight in a group instead of units? A phalanx formation would have helped here. It's hard to believe that a group made out of the best soldiers in the world got slaughtered by some inexperienced twats with knives. Barristan dying this soon is a shame. Why oh why couldn't they give us a satisfying battle scene where Barristan the Bold (best knight in the world) kicks ass and saves the day. But no.. Great fight and an extremely bold move by D&D and it might pay off.
Fantastic episode, could have been better though.
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Post by Quoth on May 4, 2015 14:24:00 GMT
I gave it an eight. Generally enjoyed it. Thank the Gods somebody got around to talking about the Tourney at Harrenhall I'll even take the info dump from Littlefinger. Barristan can't be flat out dead, can he?! Will they let him linger a bit so as to tell Dany the real story (be it romance/elopement or kidnap/rape) of Lyanna and Rhaegar??! Don't make us wait for the surprise cameo of Howland! Awesome fight scene. But, I thought that the Unsullied were well neigh invincible; not a bunch of red shirts to be offed by a bunch of Halloween mask wearing extras.  I guess Barristan, and possibly Grey Worm, had to go to make room for the advisory brilliance of Tyrion and the return of Jorah. Still, too soon, I thought. Much too soon. Why couldn't we have had a scene of Barristan and Tyrion. That would've been brilliant. |
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Post by King Tommen on May 4, 2015 14:29:47 GMT
I said this in another thread but the Sons of the Harpy have a strategic reason for ambushing the Unsullied where they did. The close quarters and being flanked mean that the longspears are extremely ineffective and slashing with knives becomes much more effective. It would be a completely different story on the open battlefield which is why the SoTH made their move this way and very clearly lured the Unsullied squadron into this location.
The show has actually talked about this disadvantage before with Jon and Longclaw being at a disadvantage in close quarters which we see when Karl and his knives almost get the better of him when they're inside the claustrophobic Craster's Keep.
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Post by Father of Dragons on May 4, 2015 14:35:02 GMT
I give it an eight. I think that all the episodes have been great, and they have just been getting better, but I still had a few problems:
-Barristan & Grey Worm lose to a bunch of unarmoured, untrained cowards with knives. Anybody remember the Battle of Qohor? RIP Barristan: never forgive, never forget
-Sand Snakes - some of the worst writing in that scene - "I have only just been introduced, but I believe I have the right to not give a straight answer and instead tell an unrelated anecdote about my father"
-Several heavy-handed hints about Jon's parentage out of nowhere and all at once
-Dorne isn't a desert?
But, this episode remains my favourite so far thanks to these moments:
+Stannis and Shireen - best scene without a doubt
+"You know nothing, Jon Snow" was just as ominous as I pictured it
+Robert's feather - an example of continuity which the show usually forgets about
+Sparrow montage - a bit more brutal than the Sparrows of the books, but still very chilling and powerful
+Tommen's shock at Margaery barging in made me laugh
+Bronn's humour will always win me over
+Jaime using his golden hand - smart move
+Tyrion's tactic of making enough noise to remove the gag
+Barristan and Daenerys on Rhaegar
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 14:43:23 GMT
I said this in another thread but the Sons of the Harpy have a strategic reason for ambushing the Unsullied where they did. The close quarters and being flanked mean that the longspears are extremely ineffective and slashing with knives becomes much more effective. It would be a completely different story on the open battlefield which is why the SoTH made their move this way and very clearly lured the Unsullied squadron into this location. The show has actually talked about this disadvantage before with Jon and Longclaw being at a disadvantage in close quarters which we see when Karl and his knives almost get the better of him when they're inside the claustrophobic Craster's Keep. Yes, but they could have made some kind of a phalanx and fight back to back, giving them superiority over the SoTH. Yes it's true that the Unsullied were in a disadvantage, but we are talking about arguably the best soldiers in Planetos vs. inexperienced upper class lads with little knives? Even though the space was tight, they could have fought with discipline and as a group. Disappointing but some how understandable. |
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Post by King Tommen on May 4, 2015 14:48:56 GMT
I said this in another thread but the Sons of the Harpy have a strategic reason for ambushing the Unsullied where they did. The close quarters and being flanked mean that the longspears are extremely ineffective and slashing with knives becomes much more effective. It would be a completely different story on the open battlefield which is why the SoTH made their move this way and very clearly lured the Unsullied squadron into this location. The show has actually talked about this disadvantage before with Jon and Longclaw being at a disadvantage in close quarters which we see when Karl and his knives almost get the better of him when they're inside the claustrophobic Craster's Keep. Yes, but they could have made some kind of a phalanx and fight back to back, giving them superiority over the SoTH. Yes it's true that the Unsullied were in a disadvantage, but we are talking about arguably the best soldiers in Planetos vs. inexperienced upper class lads with little knives? Even though the space was tight, they could have fought with discipline and as a group. Disappointing but some how understandable. The Sons of the Harpy are taking out UnSullied on a regular basis in ADwD as well, we just are hearing about it as opposed to seeing it. Part of this is because they are trained to be an invading force as opposed to an occupying Watch. They're out of their element and this is what the Sons are exploiting. Was there even enough room in that narrow space to get into much of a formation? They were flanked from both sides and taken by surprise (on tap of being seriously outnumbered). At the end of the day, you have to show the Unsullied as fallible otherwise there's no threat. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 15:01:21 GMT
Yes, but they could have made some kind of a phalanx and fight back to back, giving them superiority over the SoTH. Yes it's true that the Unsullied were in a disadvantage, but we are talking about arguably the best soldiers in Planetos vs. inexperienced upper class lads with little knives? Even though the space was tight, they could have fought with discipline and as a group. Disappointing but some how understandable. The Sons of the Harpy are taking out UnSullied on a regular basis in ADwD as well, we just are hearing about it as opposed to seeing it. Part of this is because they are trained to be an invading force as opposed to an occupying Watch. They're out of their element and this is what the Sons are exploiting. Was there even enough room in that narrow space to get into much of a formation? They were flanked from both sides and taken by surprise (on tap of being seriously outnumbered). At the end of the day, you have to show the Unsullied as fallible otherwise there's no threat. True, it was a smart move from the Sons of the Harpy, but they are going up against toughened warriors like those. Attacking such a large squad is risky. A small formation, but a formation nevertheless, fighting them 1v1 wasn't the best option here (even though their 1v1 skills are highly praised). It's disappointing when you see such an elite force getting slaughtered like that. Yes, we needed to see some of the Unsullied dying, but the tactical side disappointed me. |
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 19:39:04 GMT
Oh, I gave it a 9 btw. A very tight, slick, well-paced ep. but I just wouldn't feel right giving it a ten, since IMHO it wasn't up to snuff with last week's lovely, lovely, lovely "High Sparrow".
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 4, 2015 22:02:00 GMT
I gave it an 8. I liked the scenes at The Wall, especially Stannis and Shireen, Dany's scene with Barristan, and the ones between Jaime and Bronn. Though the pacing of the episode was good, it was definitely the shortest episode of the series. I guess they thought that Meereen would be too boring without major deaths. I'm sad to see Barristan go, but I'm not completely surprised that D&D made this decision. Was this really the shortest episode of the series? I think they should have added Arya, they had time. They could have cut to Braavos after the small council scene. Nope. In an episode called Sons of the Harpy, they should have had more Meereen, imo. Don't get me wrong, the Meereen stuff was good. But it did feel like it was just tagged onto the end. Hmm.....almost like Breaker of Chains last season! :lol: |
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Post by sj4iy on May 4, 2015 22:19:43 GMT
9/10. I also wasn't enamored with the Sand Snakes this week, but I loved everything else. I liked the scene between Melisandre and Jon...it was important that he face temptation, and she's never been afraid to use her sexuality to get what she wants. And of course, the stuff with Selmy and Greyworm, as well as all of the R+L=J references were amazing.
I think each episode has gotten better this season...I hope that trend continues.
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Post by kingeomer on May 5, 2015 2:29:02 GMT
I gave it 6. A downgrade from last week
Liked:
Barristan/Grey Worm versus Sons of the Harpy. I will miss Barristan the Bold though
Stannis/Shireen
Getting background on Lyanna and Rheagar.
The Jaime/Bronn double act
Stannis/Selyse conversation
Tommen being a weak ruler
No Boltons
Disliked:
Melisandre and Jon.
Kings Landing not having enough bite, Margaery writing her grandmother like that's going to help.
Littlefinger kissing Sansa
No opinion:
Sand Snakes...I need to see more
Tyrion/Jorah...need to see more
Dany, not enough screen time
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