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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 19, 2017 22:37:09 GMT
They have been butchering Arya's character and story arc for a long time on the show. The Faceless Men stuff just didn't work at all. An ancient and mysterious death cult skilled in all manner of tricks and trades and with a reputation and network spanning across continents was reduced to a young man and a child in potato sacks hitting Arya with a walking stick and playing Scooby-Doo with the Halloween masks. And somehow from this Arya is some stone cold assassin with super killing skills that is super cold and emotionless when the plot desires it but otherwise "A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell!" I just hate the writing for her so much and I get more angry the more I think about it   At least poor Bran was just given very little screentime or stuff to do. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2017 0:08:12 GMT
To be fair, Arya was just the 'executioner' to what was actually Sansa's big moment. I never thought Sansa would be able to kill littlefinger herself or 'swing the sword' like her father said. Arya doing the killing didn't bother me, it was more the lead up to that moment. I think the writers were going for mind games, but the tension between Sansa and Arya this season was awkward because it seemed out of character and obvious that they would never actually kill each other.
I'm actually looking forward to a scene between Sansa and Dany. I feel like they could really bond over the fact they've been in similar situations. And Sansa might actually have a Queen to model off who is a good person.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 20, 2017 9:28:21 GMT
Arya being the executioner wasn't a problem for me. Taking 'he who passes the sentence swings the sword' literally in every case isn't really the point of that line and doesn't represent some weird Northern law (recall that the important part for Ned was 'if you can't look a man in the eye as you sentence him to death then maybe he doesn't deserve to die' or words to that effect). The three Starks together brought Littlefinger down, which was how it should have happened, although it wasn't really pulled off or written very well on the show.
My problem was pretty much everything else they have done with Arya since, what, season 4 or 5?
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 20, 2017 10:04:15 GMT
Arya could have died in the Riverlands or in Braavos and I would be unbothered. I just can't get myself to care about her lol.
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 21, 2017 20:04:24 GMT
They have been butchering Arya's character and story arc for a long time on the show. The Faceless Men stuff just didn't work at all. An ancient and mysterious death cult skilled in all manner of tricks and trades and with a reputation and network spanning across continents was reduced to a young man and a child in potato sacks hitting Arya with a walking stick and playing Scooby-Doo with the Halloween masks. And somehow from this Arya is some stone cold assassin with super killing skills that is super cold and emotionless when the plot desires it but otherwise "A girl is Arya Stark of Winterfell!" I just hate the writing for her so much and I get more angry the more I think about it At least poor Bran was just given very little screentime or stuff to do. All of this. It would have made sense to examine the cost of being No One and basically being trained by a death cult. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Sept 21, 2017 21:51:53 GMT
If the Faceless Men will never be brought up again, then Arya's arc would be the most pointless storyline in the show.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2017 4:09:00 GMT
Arya could have died in the Riverlands or in Braavos and I would be unbothered. I just can't get myself to care about her lol.  Arya's journey is all about the loss of and reclaim of her identity. She wants to be an assassin so she can control who dies, her whole arc to me is about how she couldn't do anything to help her dad and so wants to train so she can defend herself, be the master of hers and others death. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 23, 2017 14:21:54 GMT
Arya could have died in the Riverlands or in Braavos and I would be unbothered. I just can't get myself to care about her lol. Arya's journey is all about the loss of and reclaim of her identity. She wants to be an assassin so she can control who dies, her whole arc to me is about how she couldn't do anything to help her dad and so wants to train so she can defend herself, be the master of hers and others death.  I know, I'm just not that interested in it anymore |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 23, 2017 16:23:18 GMT
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 26, 2017 3:30:56 GMT
Also there were some interesting comments about J&C made in the most recent Game Revealed thing. The director said "he loves her but he's terrified of her" and that "their fates are intertwined and where they go from here will be exciting for next season." Makes it out like Jaime and Cersei will meet again, to which I say:  |
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Post by GreenChili on Sept 28, 2017 20:22:02 GMT
The director said "he loves her but he's terrified of her" and that "their fates are intertwined and where they go from here will be exciting for next season." I'm sure that's just personal speculation (or common sense), as Matt Shakman doesn't know shit about season 8...  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 29, 2017 23:57:16 GMT
Arya being the executioner wasn't a problem for me. Taking 'he who passes the sentence swings the sword' literally in every case isn't really the point of that line and doesn't represent some weird Northern law (recall that the important part for Ned was 'if you can't look a man in the eye as you sentence him to death then maybe he doesn't deserve to die' or words to that effect). I don't know, I think it was a pretty literal line since Ned/Robb/Jon beheaded people personally which was contrasted with Joffrey hiding behind an executioner. The thrust of the sentiment is that it's a lot harder to take somebody's life than it is to say the order. Agree that the storyline there was poor, though. edit: of course the unspoken qualifier is that it's advice for a man who is strong enough to wield a broadsword. Ned never expected Sansa to be in a position other than pushing out royal babies. Hard to say what advice he'd have if he knew she'd be a ruler. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 30, 2017 0:54:52 GMT
Sansa wasn't even there when Ned said that, and even if she was, I don't think Ned would ever in a million years expect her to go around taking necks herself.
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 30, 2017 12:44:05 GMT
Sansa wasn't even there when Ned said that, and even if she was, I don't think Ned would ever in a million years expect her to go around taking necks herself. I agree with that. Say Bran was the Lord of Winterfell or King of the North...how could he take someone's head? I don't think Ned expected that of his daughters nor would he have expected that from his now crippled son. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 30, 2017 13:07:20 GMT
Ned also passes sentence on Gregor Clegane but sends a proxy (Beric) to carry out the sentence  |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 30, 2017 14:32:11 GMT
And he paid with his life for trying to stop CLEGANEBOWL
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 30, 2017 14:34:25 GMT
Seriously though they were kind of flippant about it since whenever Bran was like "I'm the three eyed raven" they were all "I don't know what that is, lol." But apparently at some point they decided his omniscience was good enough to murder the warden of the Vale.
#JustyceForPetyr
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 30, 2017 14:40:35 GMT
D&D you fucks
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 30, 2017 17:13:33 GMT
Can I just say how delicious it is that Cersei outlived Tywin, Littlefinger, Ned, Stannis, Olenna, Margaery, and the High Sparrow. All the people who are supposedly so much better and smarter than her are all dead. WHOSE DUMB NOW, BITCHES?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 30, 2017 23:04:54 GMT
Seriously though they were kind of flippant about it since whenever Bran was like "I'm the three eyed raven" they were all "I don't know what that is, lol." But apparently at some point they decided his omniscience was good enough to murder the warden of the Vale. #JustyceForPetyr I totally agree it's a botched storyline, it's just the "he who passes the sentence swings the sword" criticism I disagree with. Anything else Fire away, rip the storyline to shreds |
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At least poor Bran was just given very little screentime or stuff to do. 
