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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 4, 2017 2:21:17 GMT
Father of Dragons there's speculation that Daario will return with the Golden Company, that he ditched Meereen and has joined up with Cersei after Dany dumped him.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 4, 2017 11:17:51 GMT
So is this thread aimed at predictions specifically or hopes? Stuff you strongly think is gonna happen vs stuff that probably won't, but you'll keep hoping for. I predict that Cersei, Euron, Varys and Mel will die and Cleganebowl will happen. I predict Arya will kill Mel, even though I'll probably fucking hate it. I hope that one, or preferably both, of Jon and Dany die. I also hope that the Faceless Men actually do ... just anything really. Just so they're not completely incompetent. But I realise that's a very far-fetched hope. Equally far-fetched is Daario also doing anything. I just find it hard to believe he'd sit around Meereen for the rest of his life. But again, that's probably what's gonna happen. I hope nobody other than Dany (and I suppose the NK too) rides a dragon. No Jon, no warging via Bran, no one. I think stuff like the Faceless Men, Daario, Meereen, the Citadel etc. are the kind of things which will be significantly different and/or more fleshed out in the books. I mean, I think the show already botched the Faceless Men so for me it's best just to forget they (all two of them) ever existed. The show is unlikely to return to meereen imo. I'm 50/50 on whether we see Essos again at all. If we do, it will probably be Volantis, and involve Mel, the Red Priests, Euron and the Golden Company. I hope and think it is likely that Varys and Mel will meet again and both die. i really want to see CLEGANEBOWL (  autocorrect capitalised that for me) happen as King's Landing burns, whether from Dragon Fire, unDragon fire, or Wildfire after Cersei tries to end it all. It would give Sandor his opportunity to confront his brother and fear of the flames both at the same time. With Jaime heading North, Dany and Jon will soon learn Cersei is double crossing them. This will, I think, lead to them dividing their attentions between the two conflicts. Dany, Bran and Jon will focus on the North, Tyrion, Sansa, Arya and Jaime on the South. There will be overlap between the two conflicts of course but I think this will be the way in which the characters are split this season. Dany and Drogon will have to destroy UnViserion. I really hope the Night King gets some speaking lines befor the end |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 4, 2017 20:52:39 GMT
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Post by GreenChili on Sept 4, 2017 21:21:13 GMT
I predict that Euron will use the Golden Company to backstab Cersei. He will take King's Landing Tywin-style, having them open the gates and then crush them. Afterwards he will present either Cersei's head or the Iron Throne to Daenerys - as "a gift to win the most beautiful woman in the world".
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 4, 2017 21:37:11 GMT
Honestly if anyone other than Jaime kills Cersei I'm gonna be extremely disappointed. He's the only person with enough history and enough of a relationship to actually make me feel anything when she dies.
Tyrion wouldn't do it, especially if Cersei is pregnant.
Euron or Sandor killing her would just be boring.
And god forbid Arya kill Cersei. That'd be one of the worst things in the show for me.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 4, 2017 21:44:35 GMT
If Arya kills Cersei I will punch a hole thru my TV.
It's gotta be Jaime or herself, IMO. Tyrion randomly turned into a pacifist in season 5, so I don't think he'd have the balls.
I could see Jaime doing it, fueled by anger for something she did.
Or maybe the only one who could kill Cersei is Cersei. She'll flip everyone off and chug a nice glass of poison Olenna-style.
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 5, 2017 0:07:13 GMT
CLEGANEBOWL
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Post by day dreamer on Sept 5, 2017 0:09:47 GMT
I would be shocked if anyone but Jaime kills Cersei. It will either be him, or Cersei going out on her own terms. (Blowing up KL while she's still in it.)
I don't want Jaime to be the one to do it because that's SO cliche but I honestly don't see D&D going any other way.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 5, 2017 0:13:51 GMT
I would be shocked if anyone but Jaime kills Cersei. It will either be him, or Cersei going out on her own terms. ( Blowing up KL while she's still in it.) I don't want Jaime to be the one to do it because that's SO cliche but I honestly don't see D&D going any other way. I've always thought that could be a thing. Like she did with Blackwater, she'll just resign herself to death but make sure she does it on her own terms. Maybe she'll just be hella dramatic and stab herself Juliet-style. I doubt that, tho. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 5, 2017 1:07:49 GMT
Season 8: 50 CGI Elephants and no direwolves. Honestly if anyone other than Jaime kills Cersei I'm gonna be extremely disappointed. He's the only person with enough history and enough of a relationship to actually make me feel anything when she dies. Tyrion wouldn't do it, especially if Cersei is pregnant. Euron or Sandor killing her would just be boring. And god forbid Arya kill Cersei. That'd be one of the worst things in the show for me. Father of Dragons: Jaime has to kill Cersei D&D: He doesn't |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 5, 2017 1:23:44 GMT
Season 8: 50 CGI Elephants and no direwolves. TBH I'm really okay with that |
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Post by Singer of Death on Sept 5, 2017 1:47:28 GMT
I think Jaime being the Valonquer would be way too predictable, so much it could be a red herring. Since Cersei is still pregnant despite what the leak said, i doubt Jaime would bring himself to kill Cersei along with their unborn child. So i'm placing my bet on either Euron or Tyrion will be the Valonquer (with Tyrion, he might kill her out of accident like he done with Shae).
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 5, 2017 1:52:38 GMT
I think Jaime being the Valonquer would be way too predictable, so much it could be a red herring. Since Cersei is still pregnant despite what the leak said, i doubt Jaime would bring himself to kill Cersei along with their unborn child. So i'm placing my bet on either Euron or Tyrion will be the Valonquer (with Tyrion, he might kill her out of accident like he done with Shae). Tyrion is the red herring tho. I know Jaime seems obvious since we talk about it all the time, but in the books, Jaime being the valonqar isn't even considered. Cersei is so fixated on Tyrion, it being anyone else literally never crosses her mind. The years worth of speculation makes it seem obvious, but the actual source material hasn't even mentioned it once lol. The show even less so, until 707 Jaime was the only person on the show who didn't want to kill her. |
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Post by Singer of Death on Sept 5, 2017 2:02:19 GMT
I think Jaime being the Valonquer would be way too predictable, so much it could be a red herring. Since Cersei is still pregnant despite what the leak said, i doubt Jaime would bring himself to kill Cersei along with their unborn child. So i'm placing my bet on either Euron or Tyrion will be the Valonquer (with Tyrion, he might kill her out of accident like he done with Shae). Tyrion is the red herring tho. I know Jaime seems obvious since we talk about it all the time, but in the books, Jaime being the valonqar isn't even considered. Cersei is so fixated on Tyrion, it being anyone else literally never crosses her mind. The years worth of speculation makes it seem obvious, but the actual source material hasn't even mentioned it once lol. The show even less so, until 707 Jaime was the only person on the show who didn't want to kill her. To Cersei, yes, but regarding how Tyrion behave lately in the book (and arguably in the show) it make sense. The book likes to play and twist around the prophecies hat affect the characters, particularly the Valonquer one. I'm guessing GRRM is going for a self-fulfulling prophecy kind - the character cause the prophecy to happen out of their action, not what the prophecy control the destiny and fate. Like Cersei hearing about the valonquer prophecy causes her to abuses and neglect Tyrion, but it only affect him to grew more resentment toward her to the point he might as well break down into killing her. While it's poetic and an an obvious irony Jaime might be the valonquer, Tyrion on the other hand, also make sense to be one in terms of their relationship and the character development Tyrion ungergo. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 5, 2017 2:22:39 GMT
Tyrion is the red herring tho. I know Jaime seems obvious since we talk about it all the time, but in the books, Jaime being the valonqar isn't even considered. Cersei is so fixated on Tyrion, it being anyone else literally never crosses her mind. The years worth of speculation makes it seem obvious, but the actual source material hasn't even mentioned it once lol. The show even less so, until 707 Jaime was the only person on the show who didn't want to kill her. To Cersei, yes, but regarding how Tyrion behave lately in the book (and arguably in the show) it make sense. The book likes to play and twist around the prophecies hat affect the characters, particularly the Valonquer one. I'm guessing GRRM is going for a self-fulfulling prophecy kind - the character cause the prophecy to happen out of their action, not what the prophecy control the destiny and fate. Like Cersei hearing about the valonquer prophecy causes her to abuses and neglect Tyrion, but it only affect him to grew more resentment toward her to the point he might as well break down into killing her. While it's poetic and an an obvious irony Jaime might be the valonquer, Tyrion on the other hand, also make sense to be one in terms of their relationship and the character development Tyrion ungergo. If they wanna go the self fuflilling prophecy route then it would def be Tyrion, yeah. The only thing with that is since the prophecy doesn't exist on the show, cersei can't self-fulfill it, so therefore it loses pretty much all the drama and irony surrounding it. Tyrion could just kill her anyway, which could be great, depending on how it's executed. I just think it's most likely to be Jaime lol. Their affair and the conspiracy surrounding it pretty much is the reason the series happened. I think it would be fitting if the two of them close out the series, as well. They start the war and they end the war. |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Sept 5, 2017 2:42:48 GMT
Plot twist: Cersei survives.  |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Sept 5, 2017 2:46:10 GMT
Plot twist: Cersei survives.  |
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Post by kingeomer on Sept 5, 2017 12:41:58 GMT
me @ elephants  I would be shocked if anyone but Jaime kills Cersei. It will either be him, or Cersei going out on her own terms. (Blowing up KL while she's still in it.) I don't want Jaime to be the one to do it because that's SO cliche but I honestly don't see D&D going any other way. I could also see a call back to the Blackwater when she was ready to poison herself and Tommen before Tywin came in. As others have said the show omitted the valonquar prophecy so she could do herself in as much it could be Jaime, Euron or Tyrion. Plot twist: Cersei survives. I would die. In a good way. Imagine if she is the last one standing...  |
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Post by Father of Dragons on Sept 5, 2017 12:47:35 GMT
I just think they excluded the valonqar bit because they didn't want to spoil a death 3 seasons in advance. Especially since that would negate the feeling of Cersei being in danger if Jaime (or other possibilities) is around.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Sept 5, 2017 17:41:41 GMT
I just think they excluded the valonqar bit because they didn't want to spoil a death 3 seasons in advance. Especially since that would negate the feeling of Cersei being in danger if Jaime (or other possibilities) is around. I think in addition to this, the prophecy was mainly setting up season five (and six) so the focus was on the YMBQ to set up the Cersei/Margaery conflict. I think a lot of casual watchers would have just forgotten about that at this point so including the valonqar part would have been redundant. Especially with it being obvious Tyrion would not see Cersei again in season 5. I think it will be Jaime who kills Cersei, in both show and books. I don't think something that big will be changed between the two |
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autocorrect capitalised that for me) happen as King's Landing burns, whether from Dragon Fire, unDragon fire, or Wildfire after Cersei tries to end it all. It would give Sandor his opportunity to confront his brother and fear of the flames both at the same time.
