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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 21, 2017 1:20:37 GMT
I dunno, Walder died last season. Did they conjure up the Frey scene in 7x01 just for a Beautiful Death poster?  |
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Post by Singer of Death on Jul 21, 2017 2:13:02 GMT
The artist titled this gif, "The Shitadel"   |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 21, 2017 2:57:27 GMT
^^i am disgusted
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 9:49:50 GMT
Damorian how about the Jon and Sansa scenes? Some pretty good points raised in the last couple of pages. I really hope we see Sansa trying to win the Vale lords over this season. I hope that is how she destroys littlefinger. Littlefinger did win the trust of the Vale lords, but i think this can easily be overturned, Sansa can definitely win them back to her side at ANY time. I think Kings Landing is still quite far from Dragonstone, but the fact that there were no sightings of Dany's MASSIVE fleet is absolutely incredible LOL I guess theres just not enough time to include everything, but this is pretty important. Cersei is talking about the enemies in the North and the Tyrells but not this dragon lady? Also the Cersei and Jamie scene was weirdly out of place, didn't feel right to me. Jaime is rightly questioning her by saying "We have no one left to pass on the legacy to!", but it also seems like he has given up, offering Cersei no advice on how to survive the winter. Surprised Sam hasn't received word of Jon's death, i'm expecting that soon though when his bird arrives at the wall and Jon is not there. Your points about the Freys i think are quite valid, but i think she spared them for the same reason Jon spared the Karstark and Umber kids. Arya was obviously playing Walder Frey for a while, in order to gather them all there, so she must have gotten a gist of the people in the castle, she must have felt sorry for his wife. i'm quoting myself for the first time because i don't know what was wrong with my brain the first time i saw this episode. I rewatched it and must have missed most of the conversations because the whole conversation was literally about this  |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 21, 2017 10:11:48 GMT
Damorian how about the Jon and Sansa scenes? Some pretty good points raised in the last couple of pages. I really hope we see Sansa trying to win the Vale lords over this season. I hope that is how she destroys littlefinger. Littlefinger did win the trust of the Vale lords, but i think this can easily be overturned, Sansa can definitely win them back to her side at ANY time. I think Kings Landing is still quite far from Dragonstone, but the fact that there were no sightings of Dany's MASSIVE fleet is absolutely incredible LOL I guess theres just not enough time to include everything, but this is pretty important. Cersei is talking about the enemies in the North and the Tyrells but not this dragon lady? Also the Cersei and Jamie scene was weirdly out of place, didn't feel right to me. Jaime is rightly questioning her by saying "We have no one left to pass on the legacy to!", but it also seems like he has given up, offering Cersei no advice on how to survive the winter. Surprised Sam hasn't received word of Jon's death, i'm expecting that soon though when his bird arrives at the wall and Jon is not there. Your points about the Freys i think are quite valid, but i think she spared them for the same reason Jon spared the Karstark and Umber kids. Arya was obviously playing Walder Frey for a while, in order to gather them all there, so she must have gotten a gist of the people in the castle, she must have felt sorry for his wife. i'm quoting myself for the first time because i don't know what was wrong with my brain the first time i saw this episode. I rewatched it and must have missed most of the conversations because the whole conversation was literally about this I did mean to point that out but I completely forgot |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 10:19:10 GMT
i'm quoting myself for the first time because i don't know what was wrong with my brain the first time i saw this episode. I rewatched it and must have missed most of the conversations because the whole conversation was literally about this I did mean to point that out but I completely forgot  |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 21, 2017 11:00:42 GMT
Couple of things for discussion: With a mention of Howland Reed, do any of you think we'll see him again, this season or next? How do the faceless men face-changes work in the show? The implication when Arya kills Meryn Trant is that they are poisonous to those who use them that are someone, and not no-one. Maybe I just misunderstood the scene, but if that is the case why can Arya face-change now? She is not no-one. If someone can explain this I would be grateful |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 21, 2017 14:47:34 GMT
Couple of things for discussion: With a mention of Howland Reed, do any of you think we'll see him again, this season or next? How do the faceless men face-changes work in the show? The implication when Arya kills Meryn Trant is that they are poisonous to those who use them that are someone, and not no-one. Maybe I just misunderstood the scene, but if that is the case why can Arya face-change now? She is not no-one. If someone can explain this I would be grateful Nobody can explain the Mission Impossible face masks of GoT. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 21, 2017 14:55:24 GMT
In that case I'l just imagine it like Mombi's heads from Return to Oz and not think too much about it |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 5:37:21 GMT
Couple of things for discussion: With a mention of Howland Reed, do any of you think we'll see him again, this season or next? How do the faceless men face-changes work in the show? The implication when Arya kills Meryn Trant is that they are poisonous to those who use them that are someone, and not no-one. Maybe I just misunderstood the scene, but if that is the case why can Arya face-change now? She is not no-one. If someone can explain this I would be grateful i think her time in Braavos taught her how to lie, it never explains how she can steal faces from people/the many-faced god. Maybe when she drank from the fountain in season 6, it was actually her indoctrination into the many-faced god assassins club. Yeh..i honestly don't know, i think the show made it out to be easier than it should to learn to change your face. I really doubt Arya will be physically changing her face herself or 'unmasking' in the books. I suspect she will just take on roles, like Mercy to exact her revenge. i think we might see more of Howland Reed in a flashback  I really want to see more flashbacks from bran. I don't know whether he'll stay at the wall a while or go straight to Winterfell... |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 22, 2017 9:45:48 GMT
Couple of things for discussion: With a mention of Howland Reed, do any of you think we'll see him again, this season or next? How do the faceless men face-changes work in the show? The implication when Arya kills Meryn Trant is that they are poisonous to those who use them that are someone, and not no-one. Maybe I just misunderstood the scene, but if that is the case why can Arya face-change now? She is not no-one. If someone can explain this I would be grateful i think her time in Braavos taught her how to lie, it never explains how she can steal faces from people/the many-faced god. Maybe when she drank from the fountain in season 6, it was actually her indoctrination into the many-faced god assassins club. Yeh..i honestly don't know, i think the show made it out to be easier than it should to learn to change your face. I really doubt Arya will be physically changing her face herself or 'unmasking' in the books. I suspect she will just take on roles, like Mercy to exact her revenge. i think we might see more of Howland Reed in a flashback I really want to see more flashbacks from bran. I don't know whether he'll stay at the wall a while or go straight to Winterfell... In the books we learn a little, seeing Jaqen change his face at Harrenhal 'My time is done.' Jaqen passed a hand down his face from forehead to chin, and where it went he changed. His cheeks grew fuller, his eyes closer; his nose hooked, a scar appeared on his right cheek where no scar had been before. And when he shook his head, his long straight hair, half red and half white, dissolved away to reveal a cap of tight black curls. Which is kind of similar to the show where faces seem to "wipe off" quite easily. But then it seems a difficult process to actually out on a face and it's not clear if it can be done alone - Kindly Old Man puts on the Ugly Little Girl mask for her, and it seems quite intricate to do. But the most significant thing is that the faces she aren't said to be poisonous as they are in the show. Instead the Waif and Kindly Old Man explicitly give her poison to make her go blind. That is the biggest problem imo, that apparently the faces can only be used by 'no-one' or they are poisonous. I also hope we get more Bran visions. We should really see what being the Three Eyed Raven entails, and the extent of his powers in this role. I'd hope he sticks at the Wall for a while. It would be pretty irresponsible for Ed to just let him and Meera leave immediately and make their own way to Winterfell. Actually,bJon ought to get a lot of news next week Dany's arrival, the Dragonglass stash, Bran's return... |
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 22, 2017 15:51:30 GMT
I don't really mind the face mask thing, but how does she suddenly have the frame of an old man? She was at least a foot taller with broad shoulders and a pot belly. And she had Walder Frey's exact voice. When they did this in the books, I assumed the faceless men used disguises to appear unassuming and get closer to people. I never imagined they would dress up as some of the most famous noblemen in the world. How could you trick the Freys that you're their head of the family? They grew up with their father, they know his voice, his smell, his body language. An impostor would be obvious almost immediately, even if they showed Arya studying his behavior. It defies suspension of disbelief and becomes a cheap plot device.
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jul 22, 2017 16:41:01 GMT
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Post by DaveyJoe on Jul 22, 2017 18:29:11 GMT
But they didn't show Arya learning magic. They showed her getting her ass beat by The Waif's staff staff for two seasons. (shrug)
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 22, 2017 23:27:47 GMT
But they didn't show Arya learning magic. They showed her getting her ass beat by The Waif's staff staff for two seasons. (shrug) Arya' story has been really poorly handled, imo. Although she hit her Storm of Swords ending earlier than most and spent two whole seasons training, I feel as though we never saw her really learn anything at all. Bran had a similar problem (hour he was cut from a season) but not to the same extent as Arya. We at least understand the basics of his greenseeing and warging but nothing Arya does is explained at all over two seasons. |
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Post by kingeomer on Jul 23, 2017 2:16:15 GMT
I am super late to the party.
We did watch on vacation (Mr. Kingeomer lamented the lack of HD viewing for the show)...but it was a decent first episode of the season.
I go between 7-8.
Terrific reviews on this thread, by the way.
What I liked:
The Freys being all killed off in theory.
Sansa and Jon disagreeing over what to do with Umber and Karstark families
Seeing Jorah in Oldtown
Jaime reminding Cersei of their problems (i.e. lack of allies)
Dany's finally in Westeros.
Disliked:
Freys dying en masse in practice, it feels like the show is using Arya to wrap loose ends quickly. Her skills are rather unbelievable.
The Sam poop sequence
Cersei calling Tommen a traitor.
Sansa calling her father and brother dumb.
Neutal: The Ed Sheeren cameo. They should have done more to disguise him.
Absolutely loved: Everything with the Hound.
Dragonstone being empty at Dany's arrival
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 7:14:45 GMT
i think her time in Braavos taught her how to lie, it never explains how she can steal faces from people/the many-faced god. Maybe when she drank from the fountain in season 6, it was actually her indoctrination into the many-faced god assassins club. Yeh..i honestly don't know, i think the show made it out to be easier than it should to learn to change your face. I really doubt Arya will be physically changing her face herself or 'unmasking' in the books. I suspect she will just take on roles, like Mercy to exact her revenge. i think we might see more of Howland Reed in a flashback I really want to see more flashbacks from bran. I don't know whether he'll stay at the wall a while or go straight to Winterfell... In the books we learn a little, seeing Jaqen change his face at Harrenhal 'My time is done.' Jaqen passed a hand down his face from forehead to chin, and where it went he changed. His cheeks grew fuller, his eyes closer; his nose hooked, a scar appeared on his right cheek where no scar had been before. And when he shook his head, his long straight hair, half red and half white, dissolved away to reveal a cap of tight black curls. Which is kind of similar to the show where faces seem to "wipe off" quite easily. But then it seems a difficult process to actually out on a face and it's not clear if it can be done alone - Kindly Old Man puts on the Ugly Little Girl mask for her, and it seems quite intricate to do. But the most significant thing is that the faces she aren't said to be poisonous as they are in the show. Instead the Waif and Kindly Old Man explicitly give her poison to make her go blind. That is the biggest problem imo, that apparently the faces can only be used by 'no-one' or they are poisonous. I also hope we get more Bran visions. We should really see what being the Three Eyed Raven entails, and the extent of his powers in this role. I'd hope he sticks at the Wall for a while. It would be pretty irresponsible for Ed to just let him and Meera leave immediately and make their own way to Winterfell. Actually,bJon ought to get a lot of news next week Dany's arrival, the Dragonglass stash, Bran's return... Yeh the books do reveal more, Arya in the books is just not skilled enough to do it on her own yet hence why the Kindly Man does it for her in some sort of ceremonial face merging. But in the book Arya goes through grueling training and has more missions, shown in one episode in the show. That is the problem for me, they show her physically fighting a lot but not learning a lot of the other stuff, poisons, getting 3 pieces of information every day, pretending to be other people (successfully). Also her experience as the 'Ugly little girl' is interesting- when wearing her face, Arya gets nightmares that aren't her own, its almost as if when the face gets put on you, you almost become that person- its troubling for Arya because she isn't no one yet. I don't know if it is correct to assume that drinking the poison was due to her not being 'no one'. I think it was just a consequence of stealing a face from the hall she wasn't allowed to/didn't have permission to. I'd have to re-watch all her HoBaW scenes again just to be sure, but the feeling i got in season 6 is that she has successfully cheated the system, being Arya Stark but also having all the skills of a novice faceless man. DaveyJoe it actually isn't that disbelieving, when the assassins take a face, they become that person. Just like when jaquen transformed into the guy with the hooked nose and dark hair- how can they just change their hair colour? It's magic and it makes sense in that context. What doesn't make sense is how Arya learnt how to do this. Sure she was trained to watch people, study them, and learn the skills to become them, become an expert liar (that is the FM's job, which i think the show did well to a certain extent, i certainly wasn't entirely convinced) but that actual face-changing part... it changed from magic (season 2) to literally cutting a face off and wearing it as a mask |
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