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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2015 19:57:08 GMT
I'll cast my lot in with the Myrcella theories. I think something happens at King's Landing preventing her return if/when Tommen dies so they push forward with the Dorne agenda and she gets her 15 minutes of fame but I do not think it will last and she dies quickly after that though I'm not sure that technically counts as sitting on the iron throne so yeah ... I got nothin' there for the end of the next book.
As for fAegon, I think like others have mentioned here, he doesn't seem to have any future role to play or never makes it to the Iron Throne because they've cut him from the show. If he was such a big player at the end of TWOW wouldn't they have cast him for the show by now? It's possible they'll surprise us with his late entry to the game next season though but I'm really not counting on that.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 3, 2015 22:10:33 GMT
Myrcella has to sit on the Throne, yes? in the light of gold heads/funeral clothes in the prophecy? Or does the thing about her crowned in Dorne count? I'm so confused They never actually got to crown her, iirc. They were on their way to do so. As to who is after Tommen in the line of inheritance, probably Myrcella. After that I suppose it's a bit of a free for all. I believe Robert has some cousins on the maternal side (Estermonts) who could possibly put in a claim, and Edric Storm would most likely be considered too. (In the normal run of things I mean. Obviously Cersei would never allow that). I think Myrcella may be Queen by the end of Winds. Or possibly it will temporarily be vacant, following the deaths of both Tommen and Myrcella.
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Post by Enid on May 16, 2015 13:57:33 GMT
I think by the end of Winds fAegon will be on the throne.
I know is crackpot, but I believe that Arianne will advice Doran to join Aegon, who has already conquered a good part of the Stormlands, and the Reach is too busy right now with the Ironborn and the events in KL to face fAegon too, besides, the Tyrell/Lannister alliance is practically dead after Varys killed Kevan and Pycelle, if Cersei wins her trial and gets back her power things will be even worse, and if Tommen dies and/or Margaery loses her trial, it will be over. The Tyrells may even see fAegon as a potential ally, someone who can help them get rid of the Ironborn, and they can give him Dragonstone.
Now, a big part of the Lannister army is in the Riverlands helping the Freys. If the Red Wedding 2.0 happens, it will be a very serious blow for the Lannisters, and we know LS is doing a fine job of destroying the Freys, long story short, I don't think the Riverlands are ready for a new war, and the Lannisters and Freys are despised there, so I don't see the riverlords doing much to help them.
The Vale is the biggest wildcard, because who knows how would LF react, he is doing fine under the Lannister regime, and the Vale army is intact thanks to Lysa, maybe he will just keep silent and see how things go.
And the North will probably stay as it is, with Stannis fighting the Boltons and all the chaos that started last book, sending an army to conquer the North during winter would be beyond stupid, as long as Stannis and the northen armies remain north of the Neck, I think fAegon will let it be, hoping the cold kills Stannis and his army.
KL can fall easily, if Marg wins her trial the Lannister/Tyrell alliance will be over once Tommen is dead, and with Tyene and Nymeria going to the capital things don't look good. After Tommen dies I think the Tyrells will say "fuck you" to Cersei she will be left alone with Myrcella, who may die too via Sand Snake if Dorne sides with fAegon. Then Jaime kills Cersei for whatever reason.
Then fAegon will be a beloved king and when Dany comes she will burn him and be despised because this is ASOIAF and Dany has always dreamed with finding a home and thinks that hone will be Westeros but we know no one gets what they want in this books.
As I said, it's pure crackpot, but I think fAegon will have an impact in the books, even if it's short-lived.
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Post by Deleted on May 16, 2015 14:08:54 GMT
The Tyrells are Targaryen loyalists, are they not? I don't think there's must doubt in them abandoning the Lannisters for him.
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Post by evenstar on May 16, 2015 14:18:14 GMT
Just a quick note. There will be an IT in the end. And someone's gonna sit on that "chair". GRRM confirmed (Emmy panel 2013) that when he and some of the cast members were asked about their picks for the endgame. Thank you so much for this! I've never even heard of a confirmation before. I always thought like several others here that there will no longer be an IT to sit. The devastation of Westeros too large and too horrifying, no leaders at all left, except for NW maybe. I see no love for Shireen. I think she could inherit from Stannis if the Baratheons are holding the IT by the end of Winds. Tommen and Myrcella are goners if Cersei's prophecies are true and probably it will happen in the next book. I'd love Stannis to live by the end of Winds, but that's probably not going to happen either. Anyway, I think Dany will the most likely one for the endgame.
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Post by day dreamer on May 16, 2015 15:39:55 GMT
The Tyrells are Targaryen loyalists, are they not? I don't think there's must doubt in them abandoning the Lannisters for him. Especially after what Cersei did to Margaery, they'll leave the Lannisters the first chance they get if Tommen dies.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 16, 2015 21:57:16 GMT
The Tyrells are Targaryen loyalists, are they not? I don't think there's must doubt in them abandoning the Lannisters for him. Give up their position as one half of the Crown for an uncertain position with Aegon? If, as seems likely, Aegon is we'd to Dorne, the Tyrells would be foolish to join an alliance with him
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 16, 2015 22:47:27 GMT
The Tyrells are Targaryen loyalists, are they not? I don't think there's must doubt in them abandoning the Lannisters for him. Give up their position as one half of the Crown for an uncertain position with Aegon? If, as seems likely, Aegon is we'd to Dorne, the Tyrells would be foolish to join an alliance with him The Tyrells are only really loyal to the Tyrells, they abandoned the Targs for the Baratheons just like their ancestors jumped from the Gardeners to the Targs. If they were die-hard loyalists Mace probably would have been at the Trident instead of sitting out most of the war at Storm's End and not sending any Reachmen into the main field after Ashford, and in the Tyrion chapter where the small council first discusses Oberyn, Mace is just pissed about not knowing the dirty Dornish were coming but doesn't have any reaction to Tywin's bringing the Targ kiddies whose murders he ordered.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 11:44:51 GMT
Danaerys, with tyrion as hand
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 12:11:37 GMT
Stannis, with Davos as hand. Dany is too fairy tale, Jon is too much of a stretch and anyone else seems a poor choice. Sadly, it would seem Stan's days are numbered.
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Post by mattpeto on May 21, 2015 12:18:49 GMT
Danaerys, with tyrion as hand It sure seems like D&D and GRRM are pointing to Daenerys winning the Iron Throne. It's hard to root against her, but I'd like to see Stannis and Jon play a huge part as well - hopefully all three working together somehow at the end. All of them have Targaeryan blood in their veins.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:30:07 GMT
I'm not sure when they'll get there, but this is the order I expect it to go through to the end of the series: Tommen, Myrcella, Jon and Dany, Tyrion.
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 16:00:08 GMT
Stannis, with Davos as hand. Dany is too fairy tale, Jon is too much of a stretch and anyone else seems a poor choice. Sadly, it would seem Stan's days are numbered. Stannis will probably never be south of Moat Cailin again. If he doesn't die fighting the Boltons, he will die fighting the Others.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:08:42 GMT
Stannis, with Davos as hand. Dany is too fairy tale, Jon is too much of a stretch and anyone else seems a poor choice. Sadly, it would seem Stan's days are numbered. Stannis will probably never be south of Moat Cailin again. If he doesn't die fighting the Boltons, he will die fighting the Others. Haha, probably not. But Nez, why you gotta do this to me? A man can only dream. Personally, I hope he gets to face the Others at least once. I just wanna see whether or not he is even slightly impressed by them.
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Post by Nezzer on May 21, 2015 16:10:27 GMT
Stannis will probably never be south of Moat Cailin again. If he doesn't die fighting the Boltons, he will die fighting the Others. Haha, probably not. But Nez, why you gotta do this to me? A man can only dream. Personally, I hope he gets to face the Others at least once. I just wanna see whether or not he is even slightly impressed by them. Oh I love the idea of Stannis dying against the Others. Better to have him die a hero than to sit the throne for a few days until Dany burns him alive
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 2:05:18 GMT
Danaerys, with tyrion as hand It sure seems like D&D and GRRM are pointing to Daenerys winning the Iron Throne. It's hard to root against her, but I'd like to see Stannis and Jon play a huge part as well - hopefully all three working together somehow at the end. All of them have Targaeryan blood in their veins. I think Danaerys will invade by the end of TWOW. it will go like: Tommen, Myrcella, fAegon (might fail) then Danaerys. The show has already spoiled the fact that tyrion and dany meet so....i just don't think Stannis will ever get the chance to be on the throne. he is north and has other things to worry about.
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Post by 7timesdamnedshewolf on May 22, 2015 8:12:37 GMT
Stannis will probably never be south of Moat Cailin again. If he doesn't die fighting the Boltons, he will die fighting the Others. Haha, probably not. But Nez, why you gotta do this to me? A man can only dream. Personally, I hope he gets to face the Others at least once. I just wanna see whether or not he is even slightly impressed by them. I think fighting the Others would be the best ending for him, fitting that he was the only king in the Wo5K to choose the true war. But then I'm not a Stan stan, so what do I know? *shrug*
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Post by evenstar on May 23, 2015 1:41:57 GMT
Stannis, with Davos as hand. Dany is too fairy tale, Jon is too much of a stretch and anyone else seems a poor choice. Sadly, it would seem Stan's days are numbered. Stannis will probably never be south of Moat Cailin again. If he doesn't die fighting the Boltons, he will die fighting the Others. I think the same, which is why it is so funny to see the characters in the show mentioning Stannis coming south. Cersei or Petyr said it last ep. No one except for Stannis take the WW/Others threat seriously. So honestly, I wonder how far will the Others come before someone will believe the NW and wildlings. I don't think they can cross south of the Wall because it has magic.
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Post by Nezzer on May 23, 2015 1:51:29 GMT
Stannis will probably never be south of Moat Cailin again. If he doesn't die fighting the Boltons, he will die fighting the Others. I think the same, which is why it is so funny to see the characters in the show mentioning Stannis coming south. Cersei or Petyr said it last ep. No one except for Stannis take the WW/Others threat seriously. So honestly, I wonder how far will the Others come before someone will believe the NW and wildlings. I don't think they can cross south of the Wall because it has magic. Which is why the Wall must fall at some point. If it doesn't then the Others are a joke and should have never been included in the story.
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Post by evenstar on May 23, 2015 1:53:11 GMT
I think the same, which is why it is so funny to see the characters in the show mentioning Stannis coming south. Cersei or Petyr said it last ep. No one except for Stannis take the WW/Others threat seriously. So honestly, I wonder how far will the Others come before someone will believe the NW and wildlings. I don't think they can cross south of the Wall because it has magic. Which is why the Wall must fall at some point. If it doesn't then the Others are a joke and should have never been included in the story. I have high hopes for that damn Horn. Euron playing around with it is a red herring surely.
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