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Post by Admin on Apr 19, 2015 17:22:36 GMT
So I'm sitting here writing my recap for ep. 3 going on and on how I want to punch Margaery and Cersei is too sympathetic. If the show included her sending people to Qyburn at least that would bring back the balance - we have been seeing scenes where Cersei is loving towards her kids and outmaneuvered by the smirking whore from Highgarden far too often and we didn't see enough of her crimes. I know people talk of Tyrion and Dany whitewashing but when it comes to Cersei it's the only one that annoys me.
So do you think we will actually see Qyburn's experiments and Cersei's involvement in bringing in the victims? So far we had hints of that - with the head he requested and Robert Strong moving, but that's about it.
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 19, 2015 19:18:21 GMT
One person's whitewashing is another person's adding nuance and motivation. People who watch the show still absolutely loath Cersei (trust me) so I'm not sure why we should really complain too much about them giving her some other things to play and some possible reasons why she's a massive bitch and a paranoid and controlling ruler/mother.
You can't have it both ways. You can't throw accusations at the show about being too black and white and doing away with character nuance and then get angry when they take a character with negative traits and give her some sympathetic moments to play off of. Because at that point, it's more about "that's not the way the books did it so I don't like it" and we don't want to go down that road.
I much prefer this portrayal of Cersei than what we got in the books which was someone who was far more one-dimensional IMO.
And to answer your question, I don't think we'll get any more Cersei/Qyburn interactions that don't include him providing her with Robert Strong.
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Post by Admin on Apr 19, 2015 19:21:40 GMT
One person's whitewashing is another person's adding nuance and motivation. People who watch the show still absolutely loath Cersei (trust me) so I'm not sure why we should really complain too much about them giving her some other things to play and some possible reasons why she's a massive bitch and a paranoid and controlling ruler/mother. You can't have it both ways. You can't throw accusations at the show about being too black and white and doing away with character nuance and then get angry when they take a character with negative traits and give her some sympathetic moments to play off of. Because at that point, it's more about "that's not the way the books did it so I don't like it" and we don't want to go down that road. I much prefer this portrayal of Cersei than what we got in the books which was someone who was far more one-dimensional IMO. And to answer your question, I don't think we'll get any more Cersei/Qyburn interactions that don't include him providing her with Robert Strong. No one is saying that they need to make her one dimensional, the problem is that when it comes to Margaery and Cersei I actually want Cersei to prevail both because the show is ignoring her heinous deeds AND because Margaery is a disaster this season. |
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Post by King Tommen on Apr 19, 2015 19:27:18 GMT
One person's whitewashing is another person's adding nuance and motivation. People who watch the show still absolutely loath Cersei (trust me) so I'm not sure why we should really complain too much about them giving her some other things to play and some possible reasons why she's a massive bitch and a paranoid and controlling ruler/mother. You can't have it both ways. You can't throw accusations at the show about being too black and white and doing away with character nuance and then get angry when they take a character with negative traits and give her some sympathetic moments to play off of. Because at that point, it's more about "that's not the way the books did it so I don't like it" and we don't want to go down that road. I much prefer this portrayal of Cersei than what we got in the books which was someone who was far more one-dimensional IMO. And to answer your question, I don't think we'll get any more Cersei/Qyburn interactions that don't include him providing her with Robert Strong. No one is saying that they need to make her one dimensional, the problem is that when it comes to Margaery and Cersei I actually want Cersei to prevail both because the show is ignoring her heinous deeds AND because Margaery is a disaster this season. Well, we've seen Cersei get Loras arrested for being gay and her sending Mace away on a mission that she probably intends to have end with him "tragically" dying (hence Ser Meryn accompanying him) so I think we've got her being fairly heinous. And Margaery is awesome always and forever. Throwing shade wherever she goes, that's what I expected her to be in the books if we ever got a chance to see behind the courtesy facade. |
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Post by Admin on Apr 19, 2015 19:33:10 GMT
No one is saying that they need to make her one dimensional, the problem is that when it comes to Margaery and Cersei I actually want Cersei to prevail both because the show is ignoring her heinous deeds AND because Margaery is a disaster this season. Well, we've seen Cersei get Loras arrested for being gay and her sending Mace away on a mission that she probably intends to have end with him "tragically" dying (hence Ser Meryn accompanying him) so I think we've got her being fairly heinous. And Margaery is awesome always and forever. Throwing shade wherever she goes, that's what I expected her to be in the books if we ever got a chance to see behind the courtesy facade. Comparing to Freys, Boltons etc. Cersei's actions don't come near the level of evil they should. Given Margaery's behavior and how grossly overconfident the Tyrells are I cannot blame her for getting him arrested and sending Mace away. Margaery is acting like an idiot who provokes Cersei relentlessly, whereas in the books she was a clever girl. I have to say I cannot wait for her to be arrested just so I don't have to see that annoying smirk again. |
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Post by valyrianshadow on Apr 19, 2015 19:33:22 GMT
Call me crazy but I like show Cersei any way, book or show. I think for some reason they want that. Even though she's worse in the books I still like her there too. I just don't like Margaery in show or book so maybe that's why if I had to pick between the two I choose Cersei. Pure evil book Cersei is just as interesting as whitewashed show Cersei to me. *shrugs*
Edit: @sati have you played the Telltale GoT game? You play as one of Margaery's handmaidens and oh god she's such a bitch whenever you have a chance to sleight her I do it lol!
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Post by Admin on Apr 19, 2015 19:34:24 GMT
Call me crazy but I like show Cersei any way, book or show. I think for some reason they want that. Even though she's worse in the books I still like her there too. I just don't like Margaery in show or book so maybe that's why if I had to pick between the two I choose Cersei. Pure evil book Cersei is just as interesting as whitewashed show Cersei to me. *shrugs* I must say Margaery, now without at least being a friend for Sansa, is probably my least fav character so far this season. |
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Apr 19, 2015 21:44:55 GMT
Almost everyone you talk to in the telltale games is a huge dick to you. You have nice, and you have dick. There is no middle ground.
With regards to Cersei, I don't like it either. Mainly because I wanted 2.09 LenaCersei wandering around for a full season. Instead I have... I don't know what I have. I don't know what I'm watching yet. I'm just confused.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 21:54:19 GMT
I know Cersei brought Falyse Stokeworth to Qyburn in the books, but I could also imagine that something might happen to Lollys while Jaime and Bronn are in Dorne.
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Post by AdmiralKyrd on Apr 19, 2015 22:16:48 GMT
I guess Lollys could show up in King's Landing and demand to marry Bronn over this other Bracken (Ser Willem/Willas? He's not in the book). She could say Cersei promised Bronn to her then Jaime came and took him away. If she doesn't change it back she'll tell everyone what a liar she is, or something. Hopefully they can come up with a better reason if she does return. Elizabeth's CV only lists Slovis at the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 22:17:58 GMT
No one is saying that they need to make her one dimensional, the problem is that when it comes to Margaery and Cersei I actually want Cersei to prevail both because the show is ignoring her heinous deeds AND because Margaery is a disaster this season. Well, we've seen Cersei get Loras arrested for being gay and her sending Mace away on a mission that she probably intends to have end with him "tragically" dying (hence Ser Meryn accompanying him) so I think we've got her being fairly heinous. And Margaery is awesome always and forever. Throwing shade wherever she goes, that's what I expected her to be in the books if we ever got a chance to see behind the courtesy facade. The only episode in which Cersei comes off as more sympathetic than unsympathetic is 503 really. Everywhere else she's trying to consolidate her power and undermine her opposition in all ways possible. She's doing so a little more subtly than in AFFC but all the same, she's being pretty nasty.
Of course Lena's Cersei has always been different from GrrM's Anita Ekberg-looking sexier, crazier Cersei for better or for worse. Sometimes this change makes for better material than in the books and sometimes for worse. So far I've really liked Lena's s5 stuff though, even if it doesn't quite have the sort of batshit bombshell charm of her AFFC stuff.
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Post by Admin on Apr 19, 2015 22:28:32 GMT
Well, we've seen Cersei get Loras arrested for being gay and her sending Mace away on a mission that she probably intends to have end with him "tragically" dying (hence Ser Meryn accompanying him) so I think we've got her being fairly heinous. And Margaery is awesome always and forever. Throwing shade wherever she goes, that's what I expected her to be in the books if we ever got a chance to see behind the courtesy facade. The only episode in which Cersei comes off as more sympathetic than unsympathetic is 503 really. Everywhere else she's trying to consolidate her power and undermine her opposition in all ways possible. She's doing so a little more subtly than in AFFC but all the same, she's being pretty nasty.
Of course Lena's Cersei has always been different from GrrM's Anita Ekberg-looking sexier, crazier Cersei for better or for worse. Sometimes this change makes for better material than in the books and sometimes for worse. So far I've really liked Lena's s5 stuff though, even if it doesn't quite have the sort of batshit bombshell charm of her AFFC stuff.
"from GrrM's Anita Ekberg-looking sexier" Love that comparison! For me, I always judge characters based on circumstances that are there and with Cersei she doesn't do anything monstrous yet. I wish there was more context to her conversation with High Sparrow - she comes off as believing in religion being a savior but there really is no reason for why she is doing this. Lena is always amazing no matter the quality of the script but I'm hoping 1. we see Cersei' evil this season 2. we see the awful interrogation scenes Any info on when Septa Unella makes first appearance? |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 19, 2015 23:08:45 GMT
The only episode in which Cersei comes off as more sympathetic than unsympathetic is 503 really. Everywhere else she's trying to consolidate her power and undermine her opposition in all ways possible. She's doing so a little more subtly than in AFFC but all the same, she's being pretty nasty.
Of course Lena's Cersei has always been different from GrrM's Anita Ekberg-looking sexier, crazier Cersei for better or for worse. Sometimes this change makes for better material than in the books and sometimes for worse. So far I've really liked Lena's s5 stuff though, even if it doesn't quite have the sort of batshit bombshell charm of her AFFC stuff.
"from GrrM's Anita Ekberg-looking sexier" Love that comparison! For me, I always judge characters based on circumstances that are there and with Cersei she doesn't do anything monstrous yet. I wish there was more context to her conversation with High Sparrow - she comes off as believing in religion being a savior but there really is no reason for why she is doing this. Lena is always amazing no matter the quality of the script but I'm hoping 1. we see Cersei' evil this season 2. we see the awful interrogation scenes Any info on when Septa Unella makes first appearance? Yeah, Anita Ekberg's the only real physical match I can think of to bookCersei. I imagine the part would've been even harder to cast if they would've only accepted someone with that kindof body. 
I think her motivation in 503 to seek out the High Sparrow was to use their movement as an opportunity to find a source of non-Tyrell power in KL. By 504 she even has them doing her dirty work with the Loras situation. Which will all backfire spectacularly of course.
Unella will show up late in the season, I imagine. I saw an interview with the actress Hannah Waddingham who plays her and she said that she gets to do some "horrible things", so I'm pretty sure the interrogations are in.
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Post by day dreamer on Apr 21, 2015 0:09:55 GMT
I think we might see Cersei send some people off to Qyburn, especially since we got that lovely snippet of "Oh, I'll take the severed head!" #thatsnotweird
The GA definitely hate Cersei, but after Kevan embarrassed her in front of the rest of the small council, I imagine she's about to get much, much worse.
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