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Post by Basil on May 5, 2017 20:21:23 GMT
I didn't hate Iron Fist as much as the rest of the internet seems to, but still ... Iron Fist and Jessica Jones are worlds apart in terms of quality.
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Post by kingeomer on May 24, 2017 12:43:03 GMT
I finished Iron Fist last night. It remained weird until the very end. At no point did it manage to reach me emotionally or to make me feel invested in the world or the characters ... but it didn't bore me either, it was just terribly mediocre and underwhelming. It's weird how Claire has much more screentime in Iron Fist than she does in Daredevil or Jessica Jones, but there is very little depth to her, her dialogue was bad, even the performance was kind of flat, which really surprised me, as Claire has been one of my favourite characters in the Marvel Netflix universe. Finn Jones is a decent actor, but man, he does not have what it takes to carry a show like this. His performance was so bland, especially compared ot Charlie Cox or Krysten Ritter. I don't think he'll be able to keep up with them in Defenders. Anyway, I guess you should watch this at least once to get the most out of Defenders (pls be good, jesus fucking christ  ), but this is not a show I'm going to rewatch ever. It's a 5/10 for me, not good, not bad, just super 'meh' from beginning to end. Don't be afraid to skip scenes if you're bored, by the way ... a lot of them don't lead anywhere. What the fuck was that ending though. Suddenly, Ward and Danny are best buddies, and Joy hates him now and wants him dead? Where did that come from?  I FINALLY FINISHED IT. It took me two months but I did it. I was determined to see it through, even when it was hard to do so. Basil , I agree with much of your overall assessment of the show. Danny and Colleen have NO chemistry. The writing was all over the place and most of it not very good. Neither Finn Jones or Jessica Henwick are strong enough to overcome the writing (I don't get the critics praising Henwick's performance). Finn cannot carry a show and Jessica can't prop him up. I don't know why we saw Claire so much in this one, especially when all she seemed to do was be like "don't kill people!" I felt like she was a placeholder in this show, like they had to have her there because she was in all the other shows. She seemed to be mostly exasperated with Danny and Colleen and then would say their ideas are bad but then go along with it. I feel like having the Hand be the main villain of the show really hampered it, obviously they are saving the Hand for the Defenders. These Marvel shows live and die by their villains (Kilgrave in JJ, Luke Cage with Cottonmouth and hopefully Mariah Dillard in season 2, etc.) and the Hand is so nebulous and therefore not that interesting. I felt like for the most part Joy and Ward were in a different show. It was odd writing to not have Joy be totally shocked that their father was not dead. I think she has potential as a character, but the writers didn't seem to know what to do with her most of the time. I really liked Tom Pelphery as Ward, I thought he and David Wenham (who I called evil Faramir) gave good performances despite the writing. I hope if this show gets a second season, they take their time with it and write it better. You could tell this one was rushed. I could get with Ward and Danny being best friends, but we need to see that explored. Like we need to see Ward doing something for Danny when there is nothing in it for Ward. At this point their connection is flimsy at best. It would have been better for Danny to make Hogarth his business partner then Ward. Joy's turn on Danny made no sense at all. Ward was telling her that Harold was not the father they knew, she realized it when he framed Danny and left in disgust. Now Davos tells her Danny ruined her life and it's time for revenge and she's like, "Yup." I know Joy is one of the main antagonists in the Iron Fist comics...but I feel like show Joy needs to develop more before she's that on TV and she needs more of a reason to be anti-Danny, other then my life was going fine until Danny Rand re-entered it. Oh and a really dumb scene is when Madame Gao is telling Danny and Colleen there is a friend who is an enemy and really killed Danny's parents, they are still like "duh" and then she says "who benefits most from your family's death..." and Danny still HAS TO THINK ABOUT IT???? |
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Post by day dreamer on May 30, 2017 18:44:33 GMT
I finished Iron Fist last night. It remained weird until the very end. At no point did it manage to reach me emotionally or to make me feel invested in the world or the characters ... but it didn't bore me either, it was just terribly mediocre and underwhelming. It's weird how Claire has much more screentime in Iron Fist than she does in Daredevil or Jessica Jones, but there is very little depth to her, her dialogue was bad, even the performance was kind of flat, which really surprised me, as Claire has been one of my favourite characters in the Marvel Netflix universe. Finn Jones is a decent actor, but man, he does not have what it takes to carry a show like this. His performance was so bland, especially compared ot Charlie Cox or Krysten Ritter. I don't think he'll be able to keep up with them in Defenders. Anyway, I guess you should watch this at least once to get the most out of Defenders (pls be good, jesus fucking christ ), but this is not a show I'm going to rewatch ever. It's a 5/10 for me, not good, not bad, just super 'meh' from beginning to end. Don't be afraid to skip scenes if you're bored, by the way ... a lot of them don't lead anywhere. What the fuck was that ending though. Suddenly, Ward and Danny are best buddies, and Joy hates him now and wants him dead? Where did that come from? Danny and Colleen have NO chemistry. I was just going to say they have great chemistry and that's about the only thing I've found interesting in this show. I'm still trying to finish it. It's a JJ levels of boring. |
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Post by Basil on May 30, 2017 19:51:18 GMT
Danny and Colleen have NO chemistry. I was just going to say they have great chemistry and that's about the only thing I've found interesting in this show. I'm still trying to finish it. It's a JJ levels of boring.  |
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Post by day dreamer on May 30, 2017 20:18:48 GMT
Claire's involvement is totally forced though. I get that they want to use her to tie it all together, but she somewhat made sense in JJ and LC, here is just ridiculous.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on May 30, 2017 20:33:55 GMT
Danny and Colleen have NO chemistry. I was just going to say they have great chemistry and that's about the only thing I've found interesting in this show. I'm still trying to finish it. It's a JJ levels of boring. We will never agree on Jessica Jones and I'm stretched to my limits to forgive your incorrect opinion on this |
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Post by day dreamer on May 30, 2017 20:48:02 GMT
I was just going to say they have great chemistry and that's about the only thing I've found interesting in this show. I'm still trying to finish it. It's a JJ levels of boring. We will never agree on Jessica Jones and I'm stretched to my limits to forgive your incorrect opinion on this JJ has room for improvement though. I'd watch again if Ritter and co trained better to make the fighting look more believable and if the supporting cast take some more acting lessons. (tbh the guy playing Ward on IF needs more acting lessons too) |
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Post by kingeomer on May 31, 2017 12:19:09 GMT
Claire's involvement is totally forced though. I get that they want to use her to tie it all together, but she somewhat made sense in JJ and LC, here is just ridiculous. I felt like Claire's only role was to remind us this was in the same universe as DD,JJ, and LC. And her purpose in this one was to be Danny and/or Colleen...you have a bad idea, I don't want to do it, ok fine, I'll do it but I won't like it. |
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Post by day dreamer on May 31, 2017 15:07:49 GMT
Claire's involvement is totally forced though. I get that they want to use her to tie it all together, but she somewhat made sense in JJ and LC, here is just ridiculous. I felt like Claire's only role was to remind us this was in the same universe as DD,JJ, and LC. And her purpose in this one was to be Danny and/or Colleen...you have a bad idea, I don't want to do it, ok fine, I'll do it but I won't like it. They really dumbed her down for this. She didn't need to be in it past taking a lesson from Colleen, which even then was a stretch. We had Hogarth to remind us of the shared universe and a Karen Page mention. It was just unbelieveable to me that Claire would go along to China but not tell Matt, who directly fought the hand about it. |
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Post by TheMadQueen on Jun 19, 2017 21:28:48 GMT
Will I be able to watch the Defenders without having seen Iron Fist?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jun 19, 2017 22:27:05 GMT
Since Defenders isnt out yet, couldn't say. I imagine so though. Just find a good wiki summary or something
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Post by kingeomer on Jun 20, 2017 12:33:55 GMT
Will I be able to watch the Defenders without having seen Iron Fist? I think you could. I am sure there are Iron Fist recaps somewhere online, maybe read them before you start Defenders. |
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 22, 2017 5:36:52 GMT
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Post by Basil on Jul 22, 2017 7:43:26 GMT
Yay, Patsy!! <3
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Jul 22, 2017 11:04:49 GMT
So, reading news from SDCC, Daredevil Season 3 confirmed, as is Iron Fist Season 2...which will follow on from the events in The Defenders, and feature Misty Knight and Colleen. In terms of plot Danny and Colleen apparently start off not even in New York City.
Electra is revived by Alexandra, played by Siggourney Weaver. She is brought back as an amnesiac and trained as a weapon - I.e. She has no memory of Matt. Alexandra has stepped up her plans with the Hand because she herself is dying...so presumably it's something that will extend her life, or she is determined to see it done before she dies. I imagine it relates to the big ass Pit, since some of the fight scenes in the trailer are clearly underground. Also of note, a trailer for The Punisher was apparently aired, although footage isn't yet available online. We do know Karen is in it as well as being in Defenders though. The whole first episode was also shown to the audience to positive reactions (though I'm doubtful anyone taking the time to attend the panel would admit they hate it in any case) |
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 19, 2017 2:28:09 GMT
I liked the first ep of Defenders.
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Post by day dreamer on Aug 19, 2017 12:32:56 GMT
Spoilers for episodes 1-3. I'm liking it so far. It does feel slow at parts like most Marvel Netflix shows do, but I liked how they checked in with each hero separately and I felt like they came together in an organic way. Danny is definitely better used under this show runner than he was in Iron Fist, and they seem to carefully filming around Ritter's lack of believable fighting so that's a plus. I was happy personally to see Matt working again, as jobs in this universe is always something that bothered me. lol. The fight at the end of episode 3 was awesome. |
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Post by Basil on Aug 20, 2017 19:47:02 GMT
Omg, the ending of Episode 6.   Elektra is so fucking cool!  |
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Post by Basil on Aug 20, 2017 22:26:58 GMT
Done. Fucking loved it. Gotta admit, after Iron Fist, I was a bit skeptical, because I just wasn't all that into all the mystical stuff. And Defenders is all that, which ironically makes Iron Fist the show that you absolutely have to watch in order to understand the story in Defenders. But it was a good story, not great, but definitely serviceable. What elevated this to pure awesomeness in my opinion were the characters and their interactions, so no surprises there. Defenders made me appreciate Danny and Colleen much more than Iron Fist did. I thought they were actually kind of bland and boring in their own show, but they were great in this, and both Finn Jones and Jessica Henwick gave pretty fantastic performances. I like that the show was self-aware enough to occasionally make fun of the glowing fist and the mystical talk about dragons and magical monks. I still think that the first season of Iron Fist was mediocre at best, but it's good to know that there is potential for something great here. Same for Luke Cage, I really did not care for his character in Jessica Jones (which is the reason why I still haven't seen his show), but he was absolutely awesome in Defenders. Ironically, Jessica Jones felt the most out of place in this, because her own show had nothing to do with anything that was going on in Defenders ... which the show is aware of and acknowledges. She was still probably my favourite character, because it's Jessica, and I love her. Funny how Sigourney Weaver's character was hyped up in all the trailers as this super villain, but then she was killed off before the final showdown even occured, before she got the chance to actually do anything apart from making speeches.
Elektra was so cool though. I didn't love her in Daredevil s2, but I was really digging her character in this. Her final scene with Matthew was beautiful, though the bad CGI took me out of it a little bit.
But how did Matt get out of that pit alive? Seriously, how the fuck did he survive?! I'm thinking if it would have been more powerful if they had actually killed him off. I mean, it would have sucked, because that would mean no more Daredevil, but it feels kind of ... cheap, to have him survive something that no human being, super powers or no, could survive.
Hope this is the last we'll see of The Hand. I wouldn't mind Madame Gao returning to the show, but no more ninjas, please, it's getting a bit repetitive.
The guy who plays Bakuto was so fucking HAWT, holy shit. NOT ENOUGH PATSY, THO!  |
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Post by Basil on Aug 21, 2017 13:37:22 GMT
Anyone else watching Defenders?
I'd love to hear what you guys think.
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), but this is not a show I'm going to rewatch ever. It's a 5/10 for me, not good, not bad, just super 'meh' from beginning to end. Don't be afraid to skip scenes if you're bored, by the way ... a lot of them don't lead anywhere. 
