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Fleabottom Peasant
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Post by needle on Mar 23, 2017 11:36:46 GMT
Really? 15 minutes? I don't understand, it seems like Netflix was putting such an effort in these shows. To make a show that has at its core intricate fighting sequences and not properly prepare the actor is like...?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 23, 2017 14:44:33 GMT
I will add that Finn Jones has said in interviews that he was given the fight scenes 15 minutes before filming and had that much time to rehearse them. That is probably why the fight scenes are lackluster. Harold Meachum is played by David Wenham, LOTR fans may remember him as Faramir. I also read that he didn't get nearly as much time to do martial arts training as he had hoped, because the filming was a very tight schedule. Basically he buffed up and started training, then they started filming and he barely had the spare time to practice. Which is unfortunate
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Post by kingeomer on Mar 24, 2017 10:39:38 GMT
Really? 15 minutes? I don't understand, it seems like Netflix was putting such an effort in these shows. To make a show that has at its core intricate fighting sequences and not properly prepare the actor is like...? It makes me wonder if Netflix rushed this one a bit to get the Defenders started? No matter what, there should have been time built into Finn's schedule so he could properly rehearse fight scenes and train for them. Jeez Marvel.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 24, 2017 14:05:15 GMT
I think the schedule was tight in this one because it was, iirc, originally planned to come out before Luke Cage. But then the Luke Cage cast and story came together first so Iron Fist got delayed, then there was only a narrow slot where they could fit Iron Fist in. I mean, far as I can tell Marvel Netflix have their schedule set until at least 2019 already (Defenders, Punisher, JJ S2, Daredevil S3). If they stick to their 2 shows per year rule that takes us to the first half of 2019.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 25, 2017 22:35:18 GMT
So anyone into the second half/near the end of the season? Should I watch episode 2 yet? (It's not that I don't want to, or that I really hate it, I just have a feeling I'm gonna be bored by it.)
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Post by Basil on Mar 25, 2017 23:01:24 GMT
So anyone into the second half/near the end of the season? Should I watch episode 2 yet? (It's not that I don't want to, or that I really hate it, I just have a feeling I'm gonna be bored by it.) I watched episodes six and seven tonight. It's still just ... okay. It doesn't really get better as it goes on, but it doesn't get worse either, so take that for what it's worth. I don't hate it, but I can see that it has many problems. It's just not very engaging, it's too mythical. I think one reason why the other Marvel shows worked so well is they seemed rooted in reality. Despite the fact that the characters had super powers, their problems felt real and relatable. Iron Fist is weird, half of Danny's dialogue consists of him talking about the magical monastery where he grew up. And Danny is such a dull character in general, he and Colleen have zero chemistry. I love Joy and Ward, I think they're easily the best part of this show.
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Post by Father of Dragons on Mar 25, 2017 23:18:03 GMT
So anyone into the second half/near the end of the season? Should I watch episode 2 yet? (It's not that I don't want to, or that I really hate it, I just have a feeling I'm gonna be bored by it.) I watched episodes six and seven tonight. It's still just ... okay. It doesn't really get better as it goes on, but it doesn't get worse either, so take that for what it's worth. I don't hate it, but I can see that it has many problems. It's just not very engaging, it's too mythical. I think one reason why the other Marvel shows worked so well is they seemed rooted in reality. Despite the fact that the characters had super powers, their problems felt real and relatable. Iron Fist is weird, half of Danny's dialogue consists of him talking about the magical monastery where he grew up. And Danny is such a dull character in general, he and Colleen have zero chemistry. I love Joy and Ward, I think they're easily the best part of this show. Honestly this is the main reason I won't quit the show outright. I really enjoyed them in the first episode and, if there's even more later in the season, I'll definitely give it another shot.
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Post by Basil on Mar 27, 2017 23:38:57 GMT
I'm happy to report that the last third of Iron Fist does pick up ... kind of ... a little bit. I just finished Episode 11 and I'm lowkey into it now. It's still not great. In fact, it's a freaking mess. Sometimes it gets so silly that I'm beginning to doubt if any of it was ever meant to be taken seriously. But even if you won't ever get emotionally invested in the main characters because they're so ... so boring, the storyline itself does get somewhat interesting as it goes on, and you also might get a chuckle or two out of all the cheese. I'm not a comic book fan, I love shows like Jessica Jones and Daredevil because they don't feel like comic books to me. Iron Fist on the other hand feels exactly like a one-dimensional comic book super hero. There is very little here in terms of substance or character development, it's just a silly comic book show with pretty medicore action scenes. Not awful, but super disappointing. Joy deserves a better show than this.
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Post by kingeomer on Mar 28, 2017 12:45:58 GMT
I'm happy to report that the last third of Iron Fist does pick up ... kind of ... a little bit. I just finished Episode 11 and I'm lowkey into it now. It's still not great. In fact, it's a freaking mess. Sometimes it gets so silly that I'm beginning to doubt if any of it was ever meant to be taken seriously. But even if you won't ever get emotionally invested in the main characters because they're so ... so boring, the storyline itself does get somewhat interesting as it goes on, and you also might get a chuckle or two out of all the cheese. I'm not a comic book fan, I love shows like Jessica Jones and Daredevil because they don't feel like comic books to me. Iron Fist on the other hand feels exactly like a one-dimensional comic book super hero. There is very little here in terms of substance or character development, it's just a silly comic book show with pretty medicore action scenes. Not awful, but super disappointing. Joy deserves a better show than this. Good to know. I am really hoping that Marvel takes the constructive criticism and makes a better show for the second season.
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Post by Basil on Mar 30, 2017 19:24:19 GMT
I finished Iron Fist last night. It remained weird until the very end. At no point did it manage to reach me emotionally or to make me feel invested in the world or the characters ... but it didn't bore me either, it was just terribly mediocre and underwhelming. It's weird how Claire has much more screentime in Iron Fist than she does in Daredevil or Jessica Jones, but there is very little depth to her, her dialogue was bad, even the performance was kind of flat, which really surprised me, as Claire has been one of my favourite characters in the Marvel Netflix universe. Finn Jones is a decent actor, but man, he does not have what it takes to carry a show like this. His performance was so bland, especially compared ot Charlie Cox or Krysten Ritter. I don't think he'll be able to keep up with them in Defenders. Anyway, I guess you should watch this at least once to get the most out of Defenders (pls be good, jesus fucking christ ), but this is not a show I'm going to rewatch ever. It's a 5/10 for me, not good, not bad, just super 'meh' from beginning to end. Don't be afraid to skip scenes if you're bored, by the way ... a lot of them don't lead anywhere. What the fuck was that ending though. Suddenly, Ward and Danny are best buddies, and Joy hates him now and wants him dead? Where did that come from?
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Mar 31, 2017 13:49:22 GMT
How does this hold up to Luke Cage? Or have you not seen that yet? Luke Cage was my least favourite of DD, JJ and LC but was carried by strong performances and interesting supporting characters.
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Post by Basil on Mar 31, 2017 13:53:43 GMT
How does this hold up to Luke Cage? Or have you not seen that yet? Luke Cage was my least favourite of DD, JJ and LC but was carried by strong performances and interesting supporting characters. haven't seen Luke Cage yet (I didn't like his character in Jessica Jones) but I'm going to before Avengers rolls around Compared to Jessica Jones and Daredevil, Iron Fist was embarrassing.
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Post by Jaehaerys Targaryen on Apr 2, 2017 16:09:49 GMT
Jessica Henwick was pretty good I thought. Hopefully she gets a little more to do in Thrones this year.
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Post by stoneheartsrevenge on Apr 2, 2017 17:16:18 GMT
Jessica Henwick was pretty good I thought. Hopefully she gets a little more to do in Thrones this year. Please no. The sand snakes are beyond redemption edit: I don't want to belabour the point about casting a white actor as Iron Fist too much. I just had a thought recently, that the timing is particularly unfortunate and maybe that's why it became such an issue. I'm not talking about the political situation in the U.S and elsewhere, I mean recent films. Marvel had Dr. Strange, and the casting of Tilda Swinton there was also the source of quite a bit of criticism and controversy. Not familiar with the source material but I think her role was originally Asian? Anyway, I recall criticism for MCU on that front. And then Iron Fist presents Marvel another opportunity to increase their diversity and it's passed up again. Then outside of Marvel you have the criticisms levelled at the likes of LaLa Land (I'm not trying to start that discussion again, just acknowledging the criticism exists) for casting a white lead in what is arguably a role that should go to an African-American. And then, much more relevant time-wise, is Ghost in the Shell. Again I'm unfamiliar with the source material, but my understanding is that the lead role, which was given to Scarlet Johansson, was really a role that should have gone to a Japanese actress. Please forgive me if I got the specifics wrong, as I say not familiar with GitS. Basically the point I'm trying to make is I think the criticism of casting a white lead in is role is so vocal because it comes after a string of other movies that have had similar criticisms made of them. I'd also like to stress again that I think Finn Jones was the wrong person to direct the vitriol towards. He wasn't good in the role, and it's fair if he's criticised in reviews for that. But the attacks against him via twitter ought to have been directed to the folks at Marvel not Jones
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Post by lordcarson on Apr 2, 2017 18:18:23 GMT
Jessica Henwick was pretty good I thought. Hopefully she gets a little more to do in Thrones this year.
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Post by Basil on Apr 2, 2017 20:24:27 GMT
Jessica Henwick was totally mediocre in this, as was Finn Jones. But maybe the problem is that their characters were just so bland and boring, so both of them didn't have much to work with to begin with.
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Post by Jaehaerys Targaryen on Apr 2, 2017 22:54:16 GMT
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Post by kingeomer on Apr 3, 2017 12:32:56 GMT
Perhaps some are and the controversy over the casting and reviews made people want to check it out to see for themselves. I still have not gotten to episode 2, I do want to watch this one all the way through. With TWD, Big Little Lies wrapping up, I should have more time to catch up with this one.
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Post by Enid on Apr 3, 2017 13:20:56 GMT
I watched until episode 6 and now I'm just unable to watch the rest. Not because I hate it or anything, I just prefer to watch other things
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Post by Enid on Apr 3, 2017 20:34:39 GMT
I'm not sure that article is reliable since Netflix has always refused to share their ratings. I know there are companies that claim to be able to find out that information, but none of them work with Netflix and the data they release is not official, so better to take this news with a grain of salt.
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